Comments on: Waiting For The Impact Of Saddam Hussein’s Death http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:37:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Ormenipar http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40816 Ormenipar Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:02:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40816 I don't care this dictator dies, but I have to thank him for helping me win a lot of money as I bought his stock in time on trendio ;) http://www.trendio.com/word.php?wordid=120&language=en I don’t care this dictator dies, but I have to thank him for helping me win a lot of money as I bought his stock in time on trendio ;) http://www.trendio.com/word.php?wordid=120&language=en

]]> By: GreenDreams http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40780 GreenDreams Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:30:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40780 Stupid and wrong. first: Execute Saddam on a Muslim high holiday? Even the West’s leading Middle East allies, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, publicly spoke out against the choice of the first day of the Muslim Feast of Sacrifice to put Saddam to death. second: they had to hang him on a relatively minor atrocity, because all of the later ones were done with American involvement, which we didn't want aired in court. Hussein would undoubtedly have provided some chilling facts embarrassing to our administration had he been subjected to a real trial, say in the Hague. third: He should have been tried in a court with international acceptance, like the International Criminal Court. Then, his supporters could not blame the Shia nor the Americans as he would have been tried in the court that tried Milosevic. Instead, we forked over $128 million to establish a tribunal that has little respect internationally. Stupid and wrong.
first: Execute Saddam on a Muslim high holiday?
Even the West’s leading Middle East allies, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, publicly spoke out against the choice of the first day of the Muslim Feast of Sacrifice to put Saddam to death.
second: they had to hang him on a relatively minor atrocity, because all of the later ones were done with American involvement, which we didn’t want aired in court. Hussein would undoubtedly have provided some chilling facts embarrassing to our administration had he been subjected to a real trial, say in the Hague.
third: He should have been tried in a court with international acceptance, like the International Criminal Court. Then, his supporters could not blame the Shia nor the Americans as he would have been tried in the court that tried Milosevic. Instead, we forked over $128 million to establish a tribunal that has little respect internationally.

]]> By: RandyB http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40698 RandyB Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40698 New York Times article also reports gallows guards as interjecting "“Supporting his son Moktada, Moktada, Moktadaâ€? at end of prayer sequence, followed by angry excchanges with the defiant tyrant. The gawdy spectacle of the US handing over even this murderous despot to a system of justice employing al Sadr loyalists as executioners and applauding the process, I fear is emblematic of the adminstration'attempt to masquerade as political evolution the uncontrolled catcylsm it has provoked . New York Times article also reports gallows guards as interjecting ““Supporting his son Moktada, Moktada, Moktadaâ€? at end of prayer sequence, followed by angry excchanges with the defiant tyrant.

The gawdy spectacle of the US handing over even this murderous despot to a system of justice employing al Sadr loyalists as executioners and applauding the process, I fear is emblematic of the adminstration’attempt to masquerade as political evolution the uncontrolled catcylsm it has provoked .

]]> By: RandyB http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40684 RandyB Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40684 If the transcripts of the exchange captured on video between Saddam and spectators (linked above by Mikkel) is correct, this execution might prove an explosive catalyst for even greater chaos & sectarian violence (though difficult to imagine). And perhaps greater intervention/support by Sunni neighbors for civil war & madyr status for Saddam among his former wahhabi enemies. The transcripts indicate al Sadr's militia was allowed to participate in execution - Boggles the mind Boggles the mind that (if true) our President would bless this as another "milestone" event for struggling Iraq government (although easy to picture him notching his belt). Any other known translations/transcripts out there? If the transcripts of the exchange captured on video between Saddam and spectators (linked above by Mikkel) is correct, this execution might prove an explosive catalyst for even greater chaos & sectarian violence (though difficult to imagine).

And perhaps greater intervention/support by Sunni neighbors for civil war & madyr status for Saddam among his former wahhabi enemies.

The transcripts indicate al Sadr’s militia was allowed to participate in execution –

Boggles the mind

Boggles the mind that (if true) our President would bless this as another “milestone” event for struggling Iraq government (although easy to picture him notching his belt).

Any other known translations/transcripts out there?

]]> By: Chris http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40682 Chris Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:15:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40682 Your veiws on Saddams Execution? Right or Wrong? http://saddamshusseinsfinalday.blogspot.com/ Your veiws on Saddams Execution?

Right or Wrong?

http://saddamshusseinsfinalday.blogspot.com/

]]> By: joec http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40681 joec Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:55:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40681 Saddam Hussein's execution would have been most fitting were he dispatched by his people after a quick hearing, Ceausescu-style. Instead we have a U.S. orchestrated show trial, the climax of which turns out to be absolutely meaningless. If there was any "lesson" here, it is that dictators come to a bad end. Saddam Hussein’s execution would have been most fitting were he dispatched by his people after a quick hearing, Ceausescu-style. Instead we have a U.S. orchestrated show trial, the climax of which turns out to be absolutely meaningless. If there was any “lesson” here, it is that dictators come to a bad end.

]]> By: AlwaysQuestion http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40679 AlwaysQuestion Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:25:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40679 Sadam Hussein was dead the instant this Administration set out to invade Iraq; his actual demise was no more than a footnote devoid of meaning. Shi'ites will continue to move toward an Islamic State, Sunnis will continue to struggle against their domination, and the Kurds will continue to follow their own path. It sucks for anyone to be in Iraq. Sadam Hussein was dead the instant this Administration set out to invade Iraq; his actual demise was no more than a footnote devoid of meaning. Shi’ites will continue to move toward an Islamic State, Sunnis will continue to struggle against their domination, and the Kurds will continue to follow their own path. It sucks for anyone to be in Iraq.

]]> By: Mikkel http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40678 Mikkel Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:13:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40678 It'll take a while to know what prevails, but personally I think that <a href="http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Healing Iraq's</i> transcription of the cell phone video will be the most important thing about the execution. The fact that it devolved into merely another sign of sectarianism (by the most hated group no less) is a bleak sign for the future. It’ll take a while to know what prevails, but personally I think that Healing Iraq’s transcription of the cell phone video will be the most important thing about the execution. The fact that it devolved into merely another sign of sectarianism (by the most hated group no less) is a bleak sign for the future.

]]> By: The Coffeespy » The End of Saddam Hussein http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40676 The Coffeespy » The End of Saddam Hussein Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:05:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40676 [...] The Moderate Voice (your dust is pardoned, folks) looks at how history is shaping up as we speak.  It’s an interesting glimpse at how varying accounts can come out of the same event.  I’d submit that simply watching the video is enough.  In fact, I’d highly recommend watching the video (with or without the actual hanging) before reading any articles one way or the other. [...] [...] The Moderate Voice (your dust is pardoned, folks) looks at how history is shaping up as we speak.  It’s an interesting glimpse at how varying accounts can come out of the same event.  I’d submit that simply watching the video is enough.  In fact, I’d highly recommend watching the video (with or without the actual hanging) before reading any articles one way or the other. [...]

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40675 Lynx Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:39:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40675 If you're worried about a martyr status either account could work for that. Either Saddam was calm and spiritual in death, refusing to show fear to his enemies, or he was defiant and fought to the bitter end. Either image works well. Personally I don't think this means a damn thing. Iraq seems to have been spiraling into chaos and war without his help and it will continue without his help. The Sunnis will still hate the Shiites and the Shiites will still hate the Sunnis and they'll both hate the Americans. Saddam's death means one less bad man in the world and the assurance that he will never have power again. It also is a rare example of a dictator getting his due, instead of dying peacefully in bed, like most do. As far as Iraq, I doubt it'll change much. If you’re worried about a martyr status either account could work for that. Either Saddam was calm and spiritual in death, refusing to show fear to his enemies, or he was defiant and fought to the bitter end. Either image works well.
Personally I don’t think this means a damn thing. Iraq seems to have been spiraling into chaos and war without his help and it will continue without his help. The Sunnis will still hate the Shiites and the Shiites will still hate the Sunnis and they’ll both hate the Americans.
Saddam’s death means one less bad man in the world and the assurance that he will never have power again. It also is a rare example of a dictator getting his due, instead of dying peacefully in bed, like most do. As far as Iraq, I doubt it’ll change much.

]]> By: cosmoetica http://themoderatevoice.com/9935/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/comment-page-1/#comment-40672 cosmoetica Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:47:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2006/12/31/war/iraq/waiting-for-the-impact-of-sadaam-husseins-death/#comment-40672 If nearly 4 years of chaos have not done enough, this won't. It's a blip. If nearly 4 years of chaos have not done enough, this won’t. It’s a blip.

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