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	<title>Comments on: Diplomacy for a dignified exit from Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Kim Ritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9921/diplomacy-for-a-dignified-exit-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-40607</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat Travis- If we are so different --i.e. better than other countries, why are our actions so unpopular in the world? Why are we jeered at the UN, and why are there violent demonstrations against our government everywhere Bush or Condi travel? But if you raise the questions, you must be part of the &quot;Blame America First&quot; crowd. I agree about our nationalism leading us astray. 

No one dared speak out against this war, until finally John Murtha found he could no longer keep silent. Even a decorated Marine vet like Murtha was systematically demonized and villified by the right. Those with a stake in this administration did their damndest to stifle dissent, and now it is too late to fix Bush&#039;s blunder, which will change the politics of the entire region.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat Travis- If we are so different &#8211;i.e. better than other countries, why are our actions so unpopular in the world? Why are we jeered at the UN, and why are there violent demonstrations against our government everywhere Bush or Condi travel? But if you raise the questions, you must be part of the &#8220;Blame America First&#8221; crowd. I agree about our nationalism leading us astray. </p>
<p>No one dared speak out against this war, until finally John Murtha found he could no longer keep silent. Even a decorated Marine vet like Murtha was systematically demonized and villified by the right. Those with a stake in this administration did their damndest to stifle dissent, and now it is too late to fix Bush&#8217;s blunder, which will change the politics of the entire region.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Travis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9921/diplomacy-for-a-dignified-exit-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-40606</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our exit from Iraq will be shameful at best. There will be no dignity in it what so ever. For that reason we will be stuck there. We will be unable to admit defeat. Hopefully this will be useful the next time we think about invading another country. Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq, how long will it be before we do it again? Can we ever learn our lesson? Will this be our legacy? What makes us this way? Is it just the nature of the human race? We keep crowing about being some kind of different. Are we any worse or any better than anyone else? We sure do love ourselves. Our nationalism keeps leading us astray just as it did Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our exit from Iraq will be shameful at best. There will be no dignity in it what so ever. For that reason we will be stuck there. We will be unable to admit defeat. Hopefully this will be useful the next time we think about invading another country. Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq, how long will it be before we do it again? Can we ever learn our lesson? Will this be our legacy? What makes us this way? Is it just the nature of the human race? We keep crowing about being some kind of different. Are we any worse or any better than anyone else? We sure do love ourselves. Our nationalism keeps leading us astray just as it did Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: S.W. Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.W. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;Because of this layer upon layer of anger, crime, nationalism and religion, the situation is not simply a war or insurgency. It includes settling of scores and jockeying for power among groups who feel that rule over Iraq, or some of its regions, is up for grabs because the US will have to exit soon.. . .&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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That&#039;s the crux of the problem. Iraqis have some sorting out to do. Until the Iraqis get to do that sorting out, which will be extremely violent, diplomacy will mean nothing. Until the sorting out has been done, foreign troops can do little but try to suppress some of the violence and get killed, a few here, a few there, day after day.

Iran probably could be persuaded to step in, quell the violence and establish order. The price for getting Iran to do that is probably an under-the-table deal with President Bush to quit opposing Iran&#039;s nuclear ambitions and end all sanctions against Iran.

Ironically, whether Bush enters into such a deal or not, Iran probably has the power and clout in the region and within Iraq to step in, quell the violence and establish order itself â€” playing the hero on the world stage and showing the U.S. up in a big way. In return, Iraq would undoubtedly become a client state of Iran. At the least, predominantly Shiite areas would become de facto Iranian provinces.

What I&#039;m saying is, thanks to Bush&#039;s blunder war and horrendously mismanaged occupation, Iran is in a position to say to the U.S., heads we win, tails you lose.</description>
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<i>&#8220;Because of this layer upon layer of anger, crime, nationalism and religion, the situation is not simply a war or insurgency. It includes settling of scores and jockeying for power among groups who feel that rule over Iraq, or some of its regions, is up for grabs because the US will have to exit soon.. . .&#8221;</i>
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<p>That&#8217;s the crux of the problem. Iraqis have some sorting out to do. Until the Iraqis get to do that sorting out, which will be extremely violent, diplomacy will mean nothing. Until the sorting out has been done, foreign troops can do little but try to suppress some of the violence and get killed, a few here, a few there, day after day.</p>
<p>Iran probably could be persuaded to step in, quell the violence and establish order. The price for getting Iran to do that is probably an under-the-table deal with President Bush to quit opposing Iran&#8217;s nuclear ambitions and end all sanctions against Iran.</p>
<p>Ironically, whether Bush enters into such a deal or not, Iran probably has the power and clout in the region and within Iraq to step in, quell the violence and establish order itself â€” playing the hero on the world stage and showing the U.S. up in a big way. In return, Iraq would undoubtedly become a client state of Iran. At the least, predominantly Shiite areas would become de facto Iranian provinces.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is, thanks to Bush&#8217;s blunder war and horrendously mismanaged occupation, Iran is in a position to say to the U.S., heads we win, tails you lose.</p>
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