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	<title>Comments on: Seinfeld&#8217;s Kramer Ruins Career With Racial Insults (UPDATED)</title>
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		<title>By: catherine yronwode</title>
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		<dc:creator>catherine yronwode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading a take on this incident from the perspective of a professional comedian. That helped put the incident in a new perspective for me.

I think people are confused about whether Michael Richards is Jewish because he played a Jewish character on &#039;Seinfeld&#039; -- but his anti-Jewish rants (in which he blamed Jews for killing Christ), in addition to comments by those who know him personally at other sites, would seem to indicate he was raised Catholic. 

The question of alcohol or drug abuse has not been broached here in depth, but it certainly comes to mind when reading a transcript of his rambling, incoherent so-called apology on the David Letterman show. His references to Hurricane Katrina and to some sort of approaching black-white conflict are incomprehensible and seem mentally disturbed. 

Finally, i think it very sad that he is a Freemason, for the Masonic organization generally upholds the tents of tolerance and brotherhood. I think Michael Richards owes his fellow Masons an apology for casting his own darkness upong the lodges n which he is a member.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading a take on this incident from the perspective of a professional comedian. That helped put the incident in a new perspective for me.</p>
<p>I think people are confused about whether Michael Richards is Jewish because he played a Jewish character on &#8216;Seinfeld&#8217; &#8212; but his anti-Jewish rants (in which he blamed Jews for killing Christ), in addition to comments by those who know him personally at other sites, would seem to indicate he was raised Catholic. </p>
<p>The question of alcohol or drug abuse has not been broached here in depth, but it certainly comes to mind when reading a transcript of his rambling, incoherent so-called apology on the David Letterman show. His references to Hurricane Katrina and to some sort of approaching black-white conflict are incomprehensible and seem mentally disturbed. </p>
<p>Finally, i think it very sad that he is a Freemason, for the Masonic organization generally upholds the tents of tolerance and brotherhood. I think Michael Richards owes his fellow Masons an apology for casting his own darkness upong the lodges n which he is a member.</p>
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		<title>By: Bleeding Heart Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bleeding Heart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take issue with this author comparing Abbie Michael Richards (Kramer) to David Duke.  David Duke would never say any of the atrocious things Richards said.  The media is filled with lies and BS and I have learned long ago to double check what is said in the media.  Among the millions of lies in the media are those about David Duke--and mind you, I am a LIBERAL writing these words.  I strongly urge people to start reading and watching these lying writers with a more critical eye.

The Moderate Voice is certainly not &quot;moderate&quot;, but writing BS.

If you don&#039;t believe me about David Duke, then do what you should have been doing all along and check everything out for yourself--including what he has to say.  Go to his website at davidduke dot com, look for November 24, and you will see a transcript of his commentary on &quot;David Duke on Kramer, the â€œN Wordâ€?, Racism, Violence, Israel and Palestinians&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with this author comparing Abbie Michael Richards (Kramer) to David Duke.  David Duke would never say any of the atrocious things Richards said.  The media is filled with lies and BS and I have learned long ago to double check what is said in the media.  Among the millions of lies in the media are those about David Duke&#8211;and mind you, I am a LIBERAL writing these words.  I strongly urge people to start reading and watching these lying writers with a more critical eye.</p>
<p>The Moderate Voice is certainly not &#8220;moderate&#8221;, but writing BS.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t believe me about David Duke, then do what you should have been doing all along and check everything out for yourself&#8211;including what he has to say.  Go to his website at davidduke dot com, look for November 24, and you will see a transcript of his commentary on &#8220;David Duke on Kramer, the â€œN Wordâ€?, Racism, Violence, Israel and Palestinians&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sardonicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sardonicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For all those who complaining about a double standard, - that it&#039;s OK for blacks to refer to themselves or other blacks as &quot;nigga&quot; but not OK for a white person to use the term, here&#039;s something to consider: 

There are all kinds of situations where the same term can be offensive or not depending on the context and WHO is using it. It&#039;s not something limited to race. Most people understand this and act accordingly. 

The term &quot;nigger&quot; is an historically loaded word that has a different meaning coming from a white person&#039;s mouth than it has from a black person&#039;s, - even if the meaning is unintentional. It&#039;s as simple as that.&quot;


The same word uttered from different mouths should have the same meaning. To apply two different meanings to the same word just because one speakers skin is of a different color is a form of racism in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For all those who complaining about a double standard, &#8211; that it&#8217;s OK for blacks to refer to themselves or other blacks as &#8220;nigga&#8221; but not OK for a white person to use the term, here&#8217;s something to consider: </p>
<p>There are all kinds of situations where the same term can be offensive or not depending on the context and WHO is using it. It&#8217;s not something limited to race. Most people understand this and act accordingly. </p>
<p>The term &#8220;nigger&#8221; is an historically loaded word that has a different meaning coming from a white person&#8217;s mouth than it has from a black person&#8217;s, &#8211; even if the meaning is unintentional. It&#8217;s as simple as that.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same word uttered from different mouths should have the same meaning. To apply two different meanings to the same word just because one speakers skin is of a different color is a form of racism in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: ponte</title>
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		<dc:creator>ponte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Stein is an idiot for comparing this to John Kerry&#039;s failed joke.  Kerry was the subject of a decontextualized soundbite smear campaign.  He never said anything about US troops, the suggestion was only insinuated when taken out of the context of his criticism of the Bush Administration.  In the context of his speech, it was clear that he was referring to the US Government getting stuck in Iraq, not uneducated soldiers.  Richards has no such excuse going for him.  Watching it in context only makes it more unbearable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Stein is an idiot for comparing this to John Kerry&#8217;s failed joke.  Kerry was the subject of a decontextualized soundbite smear campaign.  He never said anything about US troops, the suggestion was only insinuated when taken out of the context of his criticism of the Bush Administration.  In the context of his speech, it was clear that he was referring to the US Government getting stuck in Iraq, not uneducated soldiers.  Richards has no such excuse going for him.  Watching it in context only makes it more unbearable.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Blue. In seeing the outburst several times, I think he was trying to be edgier, but was out of his league. Imagine if Donny Osmond tried to be Ozzy Osbourne. He might go much farther than Osbourne, whose antics were an act, and do something really bizarre and dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Blue. In seeing the outburst several times, I think he was trying to be edgier, but was out of his league. Imagine if Donny Osmond tried to be Ozzy Osbourne. He might go much farther than Osbourne, whose antics were an act, and do something really bizarre and dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In considering the larger context, I have to include the damage Richards has done to himself. . . I see his outburst as an expression of self-hatred rather than racism directed against a heckler. . . I see the particular comments he made about lynching, as an improvization designed to do the greatest damage (to himself) in that particular situation. . . 

In emotional work there is a concept of &#039;gapping&#039;, where emotions denied for a long time are suddenly triggered into expression with the person expressing them not being in control or even conscious of what is going on - the gap here is between what one is conscious of and what has been supressed and made unconscious.

&quot;It&#039;s not funny, that&#039;s why you&#039;re a reject, never had no shows, never had no movies, &#039;Seinfeld&#039; that&#039;s it.&quot;  - I think this bit, posted by two shoes earlier, may be a more accurate reflection of what made Richards snap. . . what if this is what he has been feeling about himself and his career for a long time?   . . . if he has been denying these feelings and if self-hatred finally burst out - it would express in a way that would hurt him more than the person he was ranting at. . . and this seems to me what has happened. . .  the resulting reaction to his rant may be a mirror of both what made him snap and of the intent behind the original heckling. . . There is another aspect of gapping relevant here, in that the longer an emotion is suppressed the more it deteriorates into panic or rage - so the more veteran performer would actually not be better prepared for making a measured response once he gaps. . . 

The gapping concept could also support the theory that Richards is  a closet racist, but looking at the larger context - - - I see a performer who has struggled with self-doubt for a long time and finally lost control over the emotions he&#039;s tried to suppress. . . 

- - -

Comparing Richards to Milton Berle seems unfair to me. . . I see current comedians working much, much closer to the edge of improvisation than the comedians of Berle&#039;s era. . .to improvise, to take advantage of opportunities a performer has to open himself, to allow himself to be vulnerable - and that in turn makes a heckler&#039;s attack cut that much more deeply. . . 

Anyone who heckles a comedian has to accept a risk of public embarassemnt. . . on balance I feel more compassion for Richards here than a black man who made the first choice of stepping into uncertain territory. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In considering the larger context, I have to include the damage Richards has done to himself. . . I see his outburst as an expression of self-hatred rather than racism directed against a heckler. . . I see the particular comments he made about lynching, as an improvization designed to do the greatest damage (to himself) in that particular situation. . . </p>
<p>In emotional work there is a concept of &#8216;gapping&#8217;, where emotions denied for a long time are suddenly triggered into expression with the person expressing them not being in control or even conscious of what is going on &#8211; the gap here is between what one is conscious of and what has been supressed and made unconscious.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not funny, that&#8217;s why you&#8217;re a reject, never had no shows, never had no movies, &#8216;Seinfeld&#8217; that&#8217;s it.&#8221;  &#8211; I think this bit, posted by two shoes earlier, may be a more accurate reflection of what made Richards snap. . . what if this is what he has been feeling about himself and his career for a long time?   . . . if he has been denying these feelings and if self-hatred finally burst out &#8211; it would express in a way that would hurt him more than the person he was ranting at. . . and this seems to me what has happened. . .  the resulting reaction to his rant may be a mirror of both what made him snap and of the intent behind the original heckling. . . There is another aspect of gapping relevant here, in that the longer an emotion is suppressed the more it deteriorates into panic or rage &#8211; so the more veteran performer would actually not be better prepared for making a measured response once he gaps. . . </p>
<p>The gapping concept could also support the theory that Richards is  a closet racist, but looking at the larger context &#8211; - &#8211; I see a performer who has struggled with self-doubt for a long time and finally lost control over the emotions he&#8217;s tried to suppress. . . </p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p>Comparing Richards to Milton Berle seems unfair to me. . . I see current comedians working much, much closer to the edge of improvisation than the comedians of Berle&#8217;s era. . .to improvise, to take advantage of opportunities a performer has to open himself, to allow himself to be vulnerable &#8211; and that in turn makes a heckler&#8217;s attack cut that much more deeply. . . </p>
<p>Anyone who heckles a comedian has to accept a risk of public embarassemnt. . . on balance I feel more compassion for Richards here than a black man who made the first choice of stepping into uncertain territory. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Kramer Hater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kramer Hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sad, I loved Sienfeld but Im never watching it again! Why? Because I have no desire to see richards ass ever again, period! I should hope no one ever hires him again! He deserves what he gets. So sad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sad, I loved Sienfeld but Im never watching it again! Why? Because I have no desire to see richards ass ever again, period! I should hope no one ever hires him again! He deserves what he gets. So sad!</p>
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		<title>By: America</title>
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		<dc:creator>America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Richards was in a comedy club. There is no difference between Richards tirade and Lenny Bruce who also played with words. This is one big overreaction. 

The mistake Richards made was in trying to top himself by repeating the N word. It is too racially charged and dividing. Again, the audience overreacted - it&#039;s a comedy club not a political rally. It is either funny or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Richards was in a comedy club. There is no difference between Richards tirade and Lenny Bruce who also played with words. This is one big overreaction. </p>
<p>The mistake Richards made was in trying to top himself by repeating the N word. It is too racially charged and dividing. Again, the audience overreacted &#8211; it&#8217;s a comedy club not a political rally. It is either funny or not.</p>
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		<title>By: David DeTyroneis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David DeTyroneis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first anti-heckler zinger was fully justified. Everything beyond that was out of hand.

Despite his outburst, I still stand behind &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Richards&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Richards&lt;/a&gt; and his antics from &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_%28film%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UHF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Perhaps the hecklers should have used the money they saved from buying cheap seats to research the movies Richards &lt;b&gt;has&lt;/b&gt; been in.

One thing remains certain: don&#039;t heckle a comedian on stage unless you&#039;ve got a personality death wish. To them, nothing (and I mean &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;NOTHING&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;) is sacred. Just ask &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Lampanelli&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lisa Lampanelli&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first anti-heckler zinger was fully justified. Everything beyond that was out of hand.</p>
<p>Despite his outburst, I still stand behind <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Richards" rel="nofollow">Michael Richards</a> and his antics from <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_%28film%29" rel="nofollow">UHF</a></i>. Perhaps the hecklers should have used the money they saved from buying cheap seats to research the movies Richards <b>has</b> been in.</p>
<p>One thing remains certain: don&#8217;t heckle a comedian on stage unless you&#8217;ve got a personality death wish. To them, nothing (and I mean <b><i>NOTHING</i></b>) is sacred. Just ask <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Lampanelli" rel="nofollow">Lisa Lampanelli</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, Richards is NOT Jewish:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Richards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, Richards is NOT Jewish:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Richards</p>
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		<title>By: tj</title>
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		<dc:creator>tj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those who complaining about a double standard, - that it&#039;s OK for blacks to refer to themselves or other blacks as &quot;nigga&quot; but not OK for a white person to use the term, here&#039;s something to consider:

There are all kinds of situations where the same term can be offensive or not depending on the context and WHO is using it. It&#039;s not something limited to race. Most people understand this and act accordingly. 

The term &quot;nigger&quot; is an historically loaded word that has a different meaning coming from a white person&#039;s mouth than it has from a black person&#039;s, - even if the meaning is unintentional. It&#039;s as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those who complaining about a double standard, &#8211; that it&#8217;s OK for blacks to refer to themselves or other blacks as &#8220;nigga&#8221; but not OK for a white person to use the term, here&#8217;s something to consider:</p>
<p>There are all kinds of situations where the same term can be offensive or not depending on the context and WHO is using it. It&#8217;s not something limited to race. Most people understand this and act accordingly. </p>
<p>The term &#8220;nigger&#8221; is an historically loaded word that has a different meaning coming from a white person&#8217;s mouth than it has from a black person&#8217;s, &#8211; even if the meaning is unintentional. It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kramer shoulda counted to ten.  It seems he was in a stage persona and thought that the audience might accept the outburst as such, but he crossed the line.  ON THE OTHER HAND, before we all burn the man at the stake, I would like to remind our friends in the African American community that you can&#039;t sit next to a group of African American teenagers or &#039;gansta&#039; twenty-somethings without hearing them repeatedly refer to themselves as &#039;niggas&#039;.  Ditto for popular rap, such as Kanye West&#039;s Gold Digger (&quot;she ain&#039;t hangin with no broke niggers&quot;).  There&#039;s a bit of a double standard at work here.  I don&#039;t believe Richard&#039;s sincerely meant what he was saying, although he was angry.  He simply couldn&#039;t get out of his stage persona.  Now our PC Drive-by-Media is going to play this over and over.  It&#039;s a no-win situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kramer shoulda counted to ten.  It seems he was in a stage persona and thought that the audience might accept the outburst as such, but he crossed the line.  ON THE OTHER HAND, before we all burn the man at the stake, I would like to remind our friends in the African American community that you can&#8217;t sit next to a group of African American teenagers or &#8216;gansta&#8217; twenty-somethings without hearing them repeatedly refer to themselves as &#8216;niggas&#8217;.  Ditto for popular rap, such as Kanye West&#8217;s Gold Digger (&#8221;she ain&#8217;t hangin with no broke niggers&#8221;).  There&#8217;s a bit of a double standard at work here.  I don&#8217;t believe Richard&#8217;s sincerely meant what he was saying, although he was angry.  He simply couldn&#8217;t get out of his stage persona.  Now our PC Drive-by-Media is going to play this over and over.  It&#8217;s a no-win situation.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowe: I got his point, and though I loathe PC, there is some truth to their idea of power in humor.

Blacks mocking white culture is different because white culture is dominant here.

This is why WASP jokes are fair game, as is mocking Christianity, while other religions is not. Personally, I think everything, from myself to you, to anyone else, to any group, instritution, etc., is open to humorous gibes.

Unfortunately, most people are not that open and mature, and they use their taking offense as a weapon. Just look at South Park&#039;s creators. They at least admitted they make fun of Jesus and not Mohammed cuz they don&#039;t want Moslem nuts blowing them up.

Most ethnic humor is of the &#039;how many X does it take to screw in a lightbulb&#039; variety, therefore not really funny. But, most good humor will offend somebody. The point is, though, when a Chappelle makes fun of Whitey, it&#039;s an act.

Richards seems to have alowed his real ugliness shine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowe: I got his point, and though I loathe PC, there is some truth to their idea of power in humor.</p>
<p>Blacks mocking white culture is different because white culture is dominant here.</p>
<p>This is why WASP jokes are fair game, as is mocking Christianity, while other religions is not. Personally, I think everything, from myself to you, to anyone else, to any group, instritution, etc., is open to humorous gibes.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, most people are not that open and mature, and they use their taking offense as a weapon. Just look at South Park&#8217;s creators. They at least admitted they make fun of Jesus and not Mohammed cuz they don&#8217;t want Moslem nuts blowing them up.</p>
<p>Most ethnic humor is of the &#8216;how many X does it take to screw in a lightbulb&#8217; variety, therefore not really funny. But, most good humor will offend somebody. The point is, though, when a Chappelle makes fun of Whitey, it&#8217;s an act.</p>
<p>Richards seems to have alowed his real ugliness shine.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donnie D. above suggests an excellent explanation for this whole incident...which is highlighted in the quote I cite from another professional comic below. 

Namely, that Richards was never a &quot;COMIC&quot; but was, rather, a &quot;COMIC ACTOR&quot;. 

By this I mean, he was good at physical comedy and at interpreting written lines...but verbal stand-up was totally alien to him. I have seen this referenced elsewhere, but did not think about it until reading Donnie. Richards has evidently been trying to rebuild his career through stand-up comedy, but it may be argued he simply did not have the experience or comic talent to deal with hecklers without internalizing their criticism and exploding in rage.

Not to justify it, but to explain the bizarreness of the incident. See below:

&quot;Comedian George Lopez told Los Angeles television station KTLA that he thought Richards&#039; lack of stand-up experience may have been a factor.

&quot;The question is you have an actor who is trying to be a comedian who doesn&#039;t know what to do when an audience is disruptive,&quot; Lopez said. &quot;He&#039;s an actor whose show has been off the air, he shouldn&#039;t ever be on a stand-up gig.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donnie D. above suggests an excellent explanation for this whole incident&#8230;which is highlighted in the quote I cite from another professional comic below. </p>
<p>Namely, that Richards was never a &#8220;COMIC&#8221; but was, rather, a &#8220;COMIC ACTOR&#8221;. </p>
<p>By this I mean, he was good at physical comedy and at interpreting written lines&#8230;but verbal stand-up was totally alien to him. I have seen this referenced elsewhere, but did not think about it until reading Donnie. Richards has evidently been trying to rebuild his career through stand-up comedy, but it may be argued he simply did not have the experience or comic talent to deal with hecklers without internalizing their criticism and exploding in rage.</p>
<p>Not to justify it, but to explain the bizarreness of the incident. See below:</p>
<p>&#8220;Comedian George Lopez told Los Angeles television station KTLA that he thought Richards&#8217; lack of stand-up experience may have been a factor.</p>
<p>&#8220;The question is you have an actor who is trying to be a comedian who doesn&#8217;t know what to do when an audience is disruptive,&#8221; Lopez said. &#8220;He&#8217;s an actor whose show has been off the air, he shouldn&#8217;t ever be on a stand-up gig.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Menig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richards is a 33rd degree Freemason: the top degree.  I wonder what his &#039;brothers&#039; will think of this tirade of his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richards is a 33rd degree Freemason: the top degree.  I wonder what his &#8216;brothers&#8217; will think of this tirade of his.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cosmoetica...I think you missed the point of what Saronicus was saying. He wasn&#039;t just noting that Black comics use the word &quot;nigger&quot; but that they also frequently use derogatory terms for Whites&quot;

&quot;...many an evening I&#039;ve set and watched black comedians use the &quot;N&quot; word as well as others, such as &quot;HONKEY&quot; &quot;CRACKER&quot; &quot;WHITE BOY&quot; &quot;WHITE TRASH&quot; and so on and so forth.Quite a double standard....&quot;

He is making an interesting point here. Clearly, there is a double standard. This may be based, at least in part, upon the perception of Whites being dominant in society and therefore less vulnerable to racial attacks.

We see variations of this double standard throughout our culture. For example, at the university I attended the university&#039;s bylaws on Racism officially defined it as a &quot;practice where White individuals or groups denigrate, by word or inference...&quot;.

Interestingly, the university&#039;s leadership was entirely White, and my Black friends at the university considered the whole policy stupid given that they felt particularly denigrated by the university&#039;s large Asian population who -- under the university&#039;s official policy -- could never be accused of racism as only Whites could be &quot;racist&quot;.

While the above is OT, I just cite it to note that I think Sardonicus does have a broader point here that you may have overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmoetica&#8230;I think you missed the point of what Saronicus was saying. He wasn&#8217;t just noting that Black comics use the word &#8220;nigger&#8221; but that they also frequently use derogatory terms for Whites&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;many an evening I&#8217;ve set and watched black comedians use the &#8220;N&#8221; word as well as others, such as &#8220;HONKEY&#8221; &#8220;CRACKER&#8221; &#8220;WHITE BOY&#8221; &#8220;WHITE TRASH&#8221; and so on and so forth.Quite a double standard&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is making an interesting point here. Clearly, there is a double standard. This may be based, at least in part, upon the perception of Whites being dominant in society and therefore less vulnerable to racial attacks.</p>
<p>We see variations of this double standard throughout our culture. For example, at the university I attended the university&#8217;s bylaws on Racism officially defined it as a &#8220;practice where White individuals or groups denigrate, by word or inference&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the university&#8217;s leadership was entirely White, and my Black friends at the university considered the whole policy stupid given that they felt particularly denigrated by the university&#8217;s large Asian population who &#8212; under the university&#8217;s official policy &#8212; could never be accused of racism as only Whites could be &#8220;racist&#8221;.</p>
<p>While the above is OT, I just cite it to note that I think Sardonicus does have a broader point here that you may have overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: ffstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ffstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To compare what Richards did with the John Kerry slip up is ridiculous.  There surely isn&#039;t a transcript of Richards prepared remarks for the evening showing that he meant to say something else.  Sometimes name calling &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; called for, and in this case, David Stein is a Jackass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To compare what Richards did with the John Kerry slip up is ridiculous.  There surely isn&#8217;t a transcript of Richards prepared remarks for the evening showing that he meant to say something else.  Sometimes name calling <i>is</i> called for, and in this case, David Stein is a Jackass.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sardonicus: I agree to a point. But there is a diff when a black person calls another &#039;Nigga&#039;, or a fat person makes fat jokes. Self-deprecation is acceptable to most. That said, the idea that a Jew or a black or a WASP cannot be made fun of across lines is wrong. Richards seemed not to, in the clip, be mocking black illegitimacy, or &#039;pimp-daddyism&#039; or the like. He seemd to be angry and angry at the black heckler, not mocking. Is it a capital crime? No.

Donnie D: Sex and race are two diff standards. As for Polanski, even the girl he had sex with admitted there was no force. Is thsi right? No. Should Polanski be hounded thirty years later? No. Consider all the female teachers who have seduced male students. We give a thumbs up to the boys for nailing them. Are they as guilty as Polanski? Yes. Do we rage about it? No. Why?

 As for Allen, he&#039;s a perv, but ultimately, he and Polanski will be judge for their films, and Richards by his laughter making ability.

This racial burst is a smudge, like a permanent pimple on his face, but that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sardonicus: I agree to a point. But there is a diff when a black person calls another &#8216;Nigga&#8217;, or a fat person makes fat jokes. Self-deprecation is acceptable to most. That said, the idea that a Jew or a black or a WASP cannot be made fun of across lines is wrong. Richards seemed not to, in the clip, be mocking black illegitimacy, or &#8216;pimp-daddyism&#8217; or the like. He seemd to be angry and angry at the black heckler, not mocking. Is it a capital crime? No.</p>
<p>Donnie D: Sex and race are two diff standards. As for Polanski, even the girl he had sex with admitted there was no force. Is thsi right? No. Should Polanski be hounded thirty years later? No. Consider all the female teachers who have seduced male students. We give a thumbs up to the boys for nailing them. Are they as guilty as Polanski? Yes. Do we rage about it? No. Why?</p>
<p> As for Allen, he&#8217;s a perv, but ultimately, he and Polanski will be judge for their films, and Richards by his laughter making ability.</p>
<p>This racial burst is a smudge, like a permanent pimple on his face, but that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d rather have Pee Wee Herman back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d rather have Pee Wee Herman back.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have a problem with anger. It&#039;s been diagnosed as borderline personality disorder. It has plagued me since I was a young child. Nothing gives me a bigger thrill than to be uncivil. I just love to go to extremes. It gives me a kind of euphoria. Revenge can feel better than love to some. It&#039;s a sick sad existence. I&#039;ve been in therapy since 1969. I now live in a self imposed solitude. People say behavior can be modified if the desire is there. I feel I am evidence to the contrary. Am I evil? What am I? Of course there is tourette syndrome where the person absolutely has no control. There are so many things out there than can ruin your life. For those of you that are normal be very, very grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have a problem with anger. It&#8217;s been diagnosed as borderline personality disorder. It has plagued me since I was a young child. Nothing gives me a bigger thrill than to be uncivil. I just love to go to extremes. It gives me a kind of euphoria. Revenge can feel better than love to some. It&#8217;s a sick sad existence. I&#8217;ve been in therapy since 1969. I now live in a self imposed solitude. People say behavior can be modified if the desire is there. I feel I am evidence to the contrary. Am I evil? What am I? Of course there is tourette syndrome where the person absolutely has no control. There are so many things out there than can ruin your life. For those of you that are normal be very, very grateful.</p>
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