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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38478</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Andrew. You&#039;re right. WTF are they waiting for? A formal swearing in???
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Andrew. You&#8217;re right. WTF are they waiting for? A formal swearing in???</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38475</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally blame the Congressional Democrats!

After all, they took power 9 days ago!  Wait a second, why is Denny Hastert still Speaker?

OH!

Because Democrats don&#039;t take power until January.

It would be nice if complaints about Democratic leadership occur after they&#039;ve been in power for more than negative 60 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally blame the Congressional Democrats!</p>
<p>After all, they took power 9 days ago!  Wait a second, why is Denny Hastert still Speaker?</p>
<p>OH!</p>
<p>Because Democrats don&#8217;t take power until January.</p>
<p>It would be nice if complaints about Democratic leadership occur after they&#8217;ve been in power for more than negative 60 days.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Ritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38472</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This author does appear to be jumping the gun both about Baker&#039;s ISG, and the results of the Democratic takeover of Congress. While parts of the report have been leaked, it is unfair to judge it before it has been released in its entirety. When it is released, its merit may lie in a new willingness to negotiate with Syria and Iran over Iraq&#039;s fate.  Switching to a diplomatic route over a military one is a change of course, if the goal is to maintain the security of the region. It is way too soon to tell, so we all need to keep an open mind.

Ditto on the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have not even assumed their positions yet as Speaker and Majority Leader, and won&#039;t do so until January. Yet, the writer has decided their anti-war platform has already doomed itself to failure. Even once they are, they can press for change, but the real change is still up to George Bush. The only way Congress could force a withdrawel is to refuse to fund it, and there is almost no possibility of that happening in the near future. 

What is possible, is that we will get some more openness on the war and on how bad our options actually are.  Hearings held by the House, may shed light on how we got ourselves into this  mess, and that may prevent another president from such a costly mistake further down the road,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This author does appear to be jumping the gun both about Baker&#8217;s ISG, and the results of the Democratic takeover of Congress. While parts of the report have been leaked, it is unfair to judge it before it has been released in its entirety. When it is released, its merit may lie in a new willingness to negotiate with Syria and Iran over Iraq&#8217;s fate.  Switching to a diplomatic route over a military one is a change of course, if the goal is to maintain the security of the region. It is way too soon to tell, so we all need to keep an open mind.</p>
<p>Ditto on the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have not even assumed their positions yet as Speaker and Majority Leader, and won&#8217;t do so until January. Yet, the writer has decided their anti-war platform has already doomed itself to failure. Even once they are, they can press for change, but the real change is still up to George Bush. The only way Congress could force a withdrawel is to refuse to fund it, and there is almost no possibility of that happening in the near future. </p>
<p>What is possible, is that we will get some more openness on the war and on how bad our options actually are.  Hearings held by the House, may shed light on how we got ourselves into this  mess, and that may prevent another president from such a costly mistake further down the road,</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38470</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Baker is on the saudi payroll. That&#039;s all you need to know to figure out what Mideast policies this pointless commission is going to recommend. More appeasement of terrorists and terrorist sponsoring regimes and throwing Israel to the wolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Baker is on the saudi payroll. That&#8217;s all you need to know to figure out what Mideast policies this pointless commission is going to recommend. More appeasement of terrorists and terrorist sponsoring regimes and throwing Israel to the wolves.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38466</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh Austin. where have you been? Bush has crippled American influence in 5 years. No one in history has so diminished the image of America, trust in our principles, respect for our products. It&#039;s tragic, but look to your own house, dude.

And for those who don&#039;t want to confront the ugly fact, Iraq is lost. Everyone is looking to the Dems, to ISG, to the generals, just anywhere for a glimmer of hope. Face it. No one has an answer, including anyone here. Even if we had unlimited money and troops to &quot;spend&quot; there just isn&#039;t a decent solution. I&#039;ve asked it before, what does &#039;winning&#039; mean? Just a stable Iraq? That&#039;s what it was under Saddam. Do we really want a stable Shiite country rather than a stable Sunni country? Is that what this was all for? In a fortress Bahgdad, just as in a fortress Kabul, there is only the thin vaneer of an appearance of stability. Outside the capital, the militias rule. That was not the case under Saddam. We blew it. We broke it and we can&#039;t fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh Austin. where have you been? Bush has crippled American influence in 5 years. No one in history has so diminished the image of America, trust in our principles, respect for our products. It&#8217;s tragic, but look to your own house, dude.</p>
<p>And for those who don&#8217;t want to confront the ugly fact, Iraq is lost. Everyone is looking to the Dems, to ISG, to the generals, just anywhere for a glimmer of hope. Face it. No one has an answer, including anyone here. Even if we had unlimited money and troops to &#8220;spend&#8221; there just isn&#8217;t a decent solution. I&#8217;ve asked it before, what does &#8216;winning&#8217; mean? Just a stable Iraq? That&#8217;s what it was under Saddam. Do we really want a stable Shiite country rather than a stable Sunni country? Is that what this was all for? In a fortress Bahgdad, just as in a fortress Kabul, there is only the thin vaneer of an appearance of stability. Outside the capital, the militias rule. That was not the case under Saddam. We blew it. We broke it and we can&#8217;t fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rambie</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38465</link>
		<dc:creator>Rambie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, it&#039;s been nine whole days since we switched governments, they should have done something by now!  :)

CS, agreed, I wonder if some details have slipped out or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, it&#8217;s been nine whole days since we switched governments, they should have done something by now!  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>CS, agreed, I wonder if some details have slipped out or something.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, tnis is just more proof that the ultimate goal of the &#039;globalists&#039; is the crippling of American influence. They have no other agenda, except how to fit any and all international situations into that matrix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, tnis is just more proof that the ultimate goal of the &#8216;globalists&#8217; is the crippling of American influence. They have no other agenda, except how to fit any and all international situations into that matrix.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuut</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9704/jim-baker-is-no-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-38457</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you CS, it does seem that some are trying to discredit it.  

As for this piece I find it kinda odd that the claim is made that Baker is no Alexander or Hector.  I&#039;m pretty glad he isn&#039;t.  Those were military men of an ancient age, despite their talent as warriors and generals.  Even Alexander&#039;s &quot;policy of fusion&quot; wouldn&#039;t apply to the modern situation.  As great as Alexander&#039;s empire was with the different peoples that comprised it, it couldn&#039;t last after his death as his policies were not sustainable by his sucessors.

Baker is a diplomat and only a diplomatic solution can lead to sucess in Iraq if any sucess is possible.  A solution is needed that will outlast the immediate need and set up an enduring stability, or at the very least to minimize the instability with institutional reform.  To achieve this we must be able to build a relationship among the various factions and this cannot be simply dictated and enforced by our military presence.  That like Alexander&#039;s rule would dissipate with our leaving.  Solutions must be founded on diplomacy and compromise, though backed with a firm hand initially.  

Even the most talented diplomat will be sorely tested by the Iraq situation, but at least the right set of tools are now being used to address the problem.  Even with the tools , however, the doctor isn&#039;t always able to save the patient who is on death&#039;s dor, no matter how skilled he is.  Still his chances are much better than a mechanics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you CS, it does seem that some are trying to discredit it.  </p>
<p>As for this piece I find it kinda odd that the claim is made that Baker is no Alexander or Hector.  I&#8217;m pretty glad he isn&#8217;t.  Those were military men of an ancient age, despite their talent as warriors and generals.  Even Alexander&#8217;s &#8220;policy of fusion&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t apply to the modern situation.  As great as Alexander&#8217;s empire was with the different peoples that comprised it, it couldn&#8217;t last after his death as his policies were not sustainable by his sucessors.</p>
<p>Baker is a diplomat and only a diplomatic solution can lead to sucess in Iraq if any sucess is possible.  A solution is needed that will outlast the immediate need and set up an enduring stability, or at the very least to minimize the instability with institutional reform.  To achieve this we must be able to build a relationship among the various factions and this cannot be simply dictated and enforced by our military presence.  That like Alexander&#8217;s rule would dissipate with our leaving.  Solutions must be founded on diplomacy and compromise, though backed with a firm hand initially.  </p>
<p>Even the most talented diplomat will be sorely tested by the Iraq situation, but at least the right set of tools are now being used to address the problem.  Even with the tools , however, the doctor isn&#8217;t always able to save the patient who is on death&#8217;s dor, no matter how skilled he is.  Still his chances are much better than a mechanics.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discussion won&#039;t do a thing to settle the Palestinian question until the Palestinians and all surrounding Arab or Muslim countries accept Israel&#039;s right to exist exactly where it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussion won&#8217;t do a thing to settle the Palestinian question until the Palestinians and all surrounding Arab or Muslim countries accept Israel&#8217;s right to exist exactly where it is.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does there seem to be a full court press going on to discredit the ISG recommendations before they are even made public?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does there seem to be a full court press going on to discredit the ISG recommendations before they are even made public?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is stunningly cynical and impatient. What is the purpose of writing it?

You may be right but, gee whiz, we JUST changed our government and now BOTH parties are competing to figure this all out. 

It seems to me that often things get worse before they get better.  Sometimes a paradigm has to splinter so that a new one can take its place.

I choose to be hopeful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is stunningly cynical and impatient. What is the purpose of writing it?</p>
<p>You may be right but, gee whiz, we JUST changed our government and now BOTH parties are competing to figure this all out. </p>
<p>It seems to me that often things get worse before they get better.  Sometimes a paradigm has to splinter so that a new one can take its place.</p>
<p>I choose to be hopeful.</p>
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