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		<title>By: BrianOfAtlanta</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8829/democracy-fatigue-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-28353</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianOfAtlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voter fatigue? We&#039;re experiencing Presidential race levels of turnout here in GA today and it&#039;s cold and raining. There aren&#039;t even any senators on the ballot this year. No signs of voter fatigue around here, at least.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voter fatigue? We&#8217;re experiencing Presidential race levels of turnout here in GA today and it&#8217;s cold and raining. There aren&#8217;t even any senators on the ballot this year. No signs of voter fatigue around here, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8829/democracy-fatigue-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-28347</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this era in American politics will be notorious for incredible selfishness and greed. 

We have borrowed almost $9 trillion from our children with no intention to repay a single dime. We did not borrow to invest in infrastructure, though we should. We did not borrow to give our kids a better chance at a quality education; in fact we reduced their opportunity. We did not borrow to help build a sustainable future for them, nor to address the devastating environmental problems they will face. 

No, we borrowed from them with the specific intent of enriching the already rich, then passed new rules that aim to protect rich investors from paying any tax, while penalizing those who work for a living. And with cynical and manipulative talk of a &quot;death tax&quot; we attempted to protect the wealthy and their children from ever paying any tax. The so-called conservatives have attempted to establish a permanent aristocracy in this country. They have stolen from our children to do so, and rigged the rules against the poor shmucks who work for living rather than manage their pools of money. As the government went on a borrow-and-spend binge, so did the public. Our savings rate is now around 0%, while China&#039;s hovers around 40%.

Meanwhile, we sacrificed our manufacturing sector, and relinquished our primacy in every single industry in which we were once great: computers, consumer electronics, shoes, clothes, automobiles, steel, optics, even plastics. 

Oh yeah, we probably still produce the best equipment in the world for killing people. Doesn&#039;t that just fill you with pride? (oops, except we still can&#039;t defeat the Taliban, who again control most of Afghanistan.

BTW, CStanley, I have to disagree with your assessment. The Dems have always offered an alternative that is serious about dealing with our environmental mess, serious about fiscal responsibility, education, health care, decent wages for working people, energy security, checks and balances, civil rights and global leadership. I hope we give them a chance to turn this country around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this era in American politics will be notorious for incredible selfishness and greed. </p>
<p>We have borrowed almost $9 trillion from our children with no intention to repay a single dime. We did not borrow to invest in infrastructure, though we should. We did not borrow to give our kids a better chance at a quality education; in fact we reduced their opportunity. We did not borrow to help build a sustainable future for them, nor to address the devastating environmental problems they will face. </p>
<p>No, we borrowed from them with the specific intent of enriching the already rich, then passed new rules that aim to protect rich investors from paying any tax, while penalizing those who work for a living. And with cynical and manipulative talk of a &#8220;death tax&#8221; we attempted to protect the wealthy and their children from ever paying any tax. The so-called conservatives have attempted to establish a permanent aristocracy in this country. They have stolen from our children to do so, and rigged the rules against the poor shmucks who work for living rather than manage their pools of money. As the government went on a borrow-and-spend binge, so did the public. Our savings rate is now around 0%, while China&#8217;s hovers around 40%.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we sacrificed our manufacturing sector, and relinquished our primacy in every single industry in which we were once great: computers, consumer electronics, shoes, clothes, automobiles, steel, optics, even plastics. </p>
<p>Oh yeah, we probably still produce the best equipment in the world for killing people. Doesn&#8217;t that just fill you with pride? (oops, except we still can&#8217;t defeat the Taliban, who again control most of Afghanistan.</p>
<p>BTW, CStanley, I have to disagree with your assessment. The Dems have always offered an alternative that is serious about dealing with our environmental mess, serious about fiscal responsibility, education, health care, decent wages for working people, energy security, checks and balances, civil rights and global leadership. I hope we give them a chance to turn this country around.</p>
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		<title>By: cfpete</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,
meant average not averages</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,<br />
meant average not averages</p>
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		<title>By: cfpete</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8829/democracy-fatigue-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-28339</link>
		<dc:creator>cfpete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi
Total government expenditure accounts for 20% of GDP.  That is actally well below the OECD average.  I am not saying that the government doesn&#039;t need to cut military spending, but saying that the econmy is based upon military spending is false and misleading. 
By your measure, the EU 13 are all Banana Republics, since their government expeditures avereages about 50% of GDP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi<br />
Total government expenditure accounts for 20% of GDP.  That is actally well below the OECD average.  I am not saying that the government doesn&#8217;t need to cut military spending, but saying that the econmy is based upon military spending is false and misleading.<br />
By your measure, the EU 13 are all Banana Republics, since their government expeditures avereages about 50% of GDP.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8829/democracy-fatigue-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-28331</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The voter fatigue is because neither party offers anything positive. Your rant should be directed at the leaders of the two parties, not the voters, who simply have no good options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The voter fatigue is because neither party offers anything positive. Your rant should be directed at the leaders of the two parties, not the voters, who simply have no good options.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminds me of the Tale of Two Cities. &quot;It was the best of times; it was the worst of times.&quot; Everyone at some point believes that their pain is the greatest pain, their love the greatest love; their treachery the greatest treachery; today&#039;s problems the worst problems. Yes, the U.S. has issues; it also has great virtues. I don&#039;t think the country is quite yet a water buffalo pulling its body through the desert while the buzzards circle. Is the U.S. worse off now than in the Great Depression? During the Civil War? I&#039;m not advocating blind optimism. I&#039;m simply saying that it isn&#039;t clear America is in collapse.

I think what it will take to get rid of some of the factionalism is either 1) a change from the belief that power lies in holding the biggest faction to uniting disparate people, or 2) some external cause which will make people put their differences aside. If Republicans are victorious on Tuesday, I think we can put 1) aside for two more years. If the Democrats win, it could go either way. They will have a choice - productive bi-partisanship (since even with two houses they will need Presidential signatures) or simple fighting with the hopes of smashing the other faction. I have hopes for genuine Democratic leadership. If that fails me, then we&#039;ll either have to kick them out as well or pray for the external cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminds me of the Tale of Two Cities. &#8220;It was the best of times; it was the worst of times.&#8221; Everyone at some point believes that their pain is the greatest pain, their love the greatest love; their treachery the greatest treachery; today&#8217;s problems the worst problems. Yes, the U.S. has issues; it also has great virtues. I don&#8217;t think the country is quite yet a water buffalo pulling its body through the desert while the buzzards circle. Is the U.S. worse off now than in the Great Depression? During the Civil War? I&#8217;m not advocating blind optimism. I&#8217;m simply saying that it isn&#8217;t clear America is in collapse.</p>
<p>I think what it will take to get rid of some of the factionalism is either 1) a change from the belief that power lies in holding the biggest faction to uniting disparate people, or 2) some external cause which will make people put their differences aside. If Republicans are victorious on Tuesday, I think we can put 1) aside for two more years. If the Democrats win, it could go either way. They will have a choice &#8211; productive bi-partisanship (since even with two houses they will need Presidential signatures) or simple fighting with the hopes of smashing the other faction. I have hopes for genuine Democratic leadership. If that fails me, then we&#8217;ll either have to kick them out as well or pray for the external cause.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin&#039; laser beams attached to their heads!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin&#8217; laser beams attached to their heads!</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CaliBlogger Neither Repug or Democrap are going to reduce military spending. Remember the old $300 hammer, well today we are working on mind control of sharks and dolphins. We will have satelite linked warfare - FCS - when we can&#039;t handle Iraq. Eisenhower warned us, nobody is listening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CaliBlogger Neither Repug or Democrap are going to reduce military spending. Remember the old $300 hammer, well today we are working on mind control of sharks and dolphins. We will have satelite linked warfare &#8211; FCS &#8211; when we can&#8217;t handle Iraq. Eisenhower warned us, nobody is listening now.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliBlogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaliBlogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin, I believe I misinterpreted your intent as well.

I posted my comment before reading your last post.

Oops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin, I believe I misinterpreted your intent as well.</p>
<p>I posted my comment before reading your last post.</p>
<p>Oops</p>
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		<title>By: Pyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fall of our very own Rome on the Potomac.

If the course continues by mid century the US will become small collections of nation states, and probably be at eachothers throats.

I&#039;m imagining a West coast socalist republic, Rocky Mountain confederation, Upper Midwest Republic, Southern Federal republic, and New England colonies......and Texas. Ohhh the war they will wage for the grain states will be one to watch, with all the nukes hidden out there. Fun for the whole family!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fall of our very own Rome on the Potomac.</p>
<p>If the course continues by mid century the US will become small collections of nation states, and probably be at eachothers throats.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m imagining a West coast socalist republic, Rocky Mountain confederation, Upper Midwest Republic, Southern Federal republic, and New England colonies&#8230;&#8230;and Texas. Ohhh the war they will wage for the grain states will be one to watch, with all the nukes hidden out there. Fun for the whole family!</p>
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		<title>By: CaliBlogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaliBlogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim S,

Given that we already have an ongoing deficit problem if you want even lower taxes then what programs are you going to cut and to what extent?

Oooh ooh I have a suggestion (though I don&#039;t imagine Austin will like it).

How&#039;s about reducing our military spending a little bit?

Does it strike anyone else as a little weird that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/charts_S/s6.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;half our discretionary spending&lt;/a&gt; is spent on the military and that we spend about as much as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/001221.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the rest of the world combined&lt;/a&gt;?

Now I&#039;m not suggesting we disarm, far from it, but even in a dangerous world it just strikes me as excessive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim S,</p>
<p>Given that we already have an ongoing deficit problem if you want even lower taxes then what programs are you going to cut and to what extent?</p>
<p>Oooh ooh I have a suggestion (though I don&#8217;t imagine Austin will like it).</p>
<p>How&#8217;s about reducing our military spending a little bit?</p>
<p>Does it strike anyone else as a little weird that <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/charts_S/s6.cfm" rel="nofollow">half our discretionary spending</a> is spent on the military and that we spend about as much as <a href="http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/001221.php" rel="nofollow">the rest of the world combined</a>?</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not suggesting we disarm, far from it, but even in a dangerous world it just strikes me as excessive.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was responding to the conjecture that if we eliminated military spending, that somehow that would make us a third world country. It was not a discussion on reducing taxes per se. Read the post above mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was responding to the conjecture that if we eliminated military spending, that somehow that would make us a third world country. It was not a discussion on reducing taxes per se. Read the post above mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AustinRoth,

   Given that we already have an ongoing deficit problem if you want even lower taxes then what programs are you going to cut and to what extent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AustinRoth,</p>
<p>   Given that we already have an ongoing deficit problem if you want even lower taxes then what programs are you going to cut and to what extent?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Joe McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Joe McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our tax rates are miniscule as compared to other countries, but what we get for our taxes is also miniscule

and if people are experiencing fatigue, that is what the repugs goal has always been...make it seem as if there is no dif between parties

horse shite

vote the bastards out...and if the new guy doesnt do a good job, vote him out the next time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our tax rates are miniscule as compared to other countries, but what we get for our taxes is also miniscule</p>
<p>and if people are experiencing fatigue, that is what the repugs goal has always been&#8230;make it seem as if there is no dif between parties</p>
<p>horse shite</p>
<p>vote the bastards out&#8230;and if the new guy doesnt do a good job, vote him out the next time</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Banana Republic. They have nice clothes.

That obvious joke aside, please explain how reducing government spending would ruin us? Silly me, I would that would lead to either reduced taxes, more money for other programs, or both. 

Unless of course you believe that all money belongs to the government, except what they decide to let us keep. The money the goverenment spends on defense is money they took out of the economy to begin with via taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Banana Republic. They have nice clothes.</p>
<p>That obvious joke aside, please explain how reducing government spending would ruin us? Silly me, I would that would lead to either reduced taxes, more money for other programs, or both. </p>
<p>Unless of course you believe that all money belongs to the government, except what they decide to let us keep. The money the goverenment spends on defense is money they took out of the economy to begin with via taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snark The tax myth is BS, our tax rate is lower than most European countries. I laugh every time I hear the High Taxes lie. Canada, the Scandanavian countries and Germany all have higher tax rates. Take away military spending and we would be a Banana Republic or third world poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snark The tax myth is BS, our tax rate is lower than most European countries. I laugh every time I hear the High Taxes lie. Canada, the Scandanavian countries and Germany all have higher tax rates. Take away military spending and we would be a Banana Republic or third world poor.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget all  those moderates who will end up pulling R anyway because they succumb to Republican fear-mongering.

Tax greed is pathological in this country, and all other issues be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget all  those moderates who will end up pulling R anyway because they succumb to Republican fear-mongering.</p>
<p>Tax greed is pathological in this country, and all other issues be damned.</p>
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