War in France
French police are speaking out more and more: the violence from immigrant ‘youths’ is escalating and has developed into a, almost religious, war against the French police.
Michel Thooris, head of the small Action Police union, claims that the new violence is taking on an Islamic fundamentalist tinge.“Many youths, many arsonists, many vandals behind the violence do it to cries of ‘Allah Akbar’ (God is Great) when our police cars are stoned,” he said in an interview.
Larger, more mainstream police unions sharply disagree that the suburban unrest has any religious basis. However, they do say that some youth gangs no longer seem content to throw stones or torch cars and instead appear determined to hurt police officers – or worse.
“First, it was a rock here or there. Then it was rocks by the dozen. Now, they’re leading operations of an almost military sort to trap us,” said Loic Lecouplier, a police union official in the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris. “These are acts of war.”
Here is my suggestion: zero tolerance from now on and try to break up immigrants communities. They are living together in France right now, which makes it harder for them to truly integrate. Also, deal with the racism – racism does exist. Lastly, publicly deal with the issue of assimilation / integration; they need the type of debate in France we’ve already got going here in the Netherlands.
And, speaking of the devil: ‘youths’ (with that they mean the children of immigrants – born and raised in France mostly) forced passengers out of a bus “in a southern Paris suburb in broad daylight, set it on fire and then stoned firefighters who came to the rescue”.
Get the police in there immediately.
19 Responses to “War in France”
What is that even supposed to mean? “Deal with racism” is not a concrete plan for anything. What actual measures can authorities take to deal with racism? How much racism are these people even encountering on a regular basis when they have turned their entire neighborhoods into no-go zones to outsiders. We always hear the complaints that people are being discriminated against when they are looking for jobs. How much do you want to bet that if they would cut back on those generous welfare benefits, many of these applicants would suddenly find discrimination less of an obstacle in finding employment?
Though true racism does exist, you’d get rid of 98% of it by solving the problems previously mentioned. You will NEVER eliminate racism while inmigrants disproportionatly steal or commit violent acts. No PR campaign can compete with what you read in the paper each morning and see on the nightly news. In Spain more and more the news organizations avoid saying the nationality of criminals. The problem is that when the criminal is a Spaniard they say it loud and clear so the result is that people just assume that when it’s not mentioned, it’s an immigrant. Usually you can identify the nationality with the style of the crime.
The irony of what’s happening in France is that if the police did what they were supposed to do (and are probably itching to do), respond to violent attacks with their batons first, and their guns last (as they would certainly be allowed to do with natives), there would be a violent uprising and they would be BLAMED for provoking it. Not by French citizens, who I’m sure are sympathetic, but by the political establishment. These men and women whose jobs it is to keep us safe have their hands tied behind their backs.
Somebody has already come up with a good name for the conflict: “Frenchifada.”
Enact a strict deportation policy for lawbreakers. Limit government assistance programs to include only French citizens-except those that help with education and jobs. Empower the police to do what is necessary to restore order. Place stricter limits on immigration- to keep numbers down.
Wow, Kim, you’re sounding like a conservative
C Stanley plenty of people otherwise very liberal have come down on the conservative side of the immigration debate. In Spain it’s very frequent, especially in young people in the big cities, to be very liberal on everything (GLBT rights, environment, regulation of bussiness) and VERY conservative on immigration, because they are forced to live in the same neighborhoods as the immigrants, neighborhoods that used to be safe, with clinics that used to work well.
Uh- thanks I guess. On some issues I am- remember I support the death penalty and stricter law and order? I’m not really a bleeding heart liberal, CS.And I can see our European alliances weakening due to a large influx of Muslims. I don’t support large immigrant populations that fail to assimilate. It creates a permanent underclass, and all the associated social problems.
I know, Lynx, and I can understand why. I was just teasing Kim (I owe her one, anyway!)
I AGREE!
That is a problem: they should get all the means necessary to put this to a halt.
Tommy: with fighting racism I simply mean let some independent committee look into it to examine the scale and seriousness of it (and of course ways of fighting it)
CS- Yes, I guess you do, LOL!
I see racism as a politicized term for xenophobia, which definitely does exist as part of the human condition. Don’t know as you can really fight it so much as learn to live with it and make necessary accommodations as a matter of enlightened self-interest.
If we’re going to limit the number of immigrants in more affluent nations, somewhere along the line we’ll have to help out the less affluent ones so that their people have less incentive to emigrate.
The USA has done relatively well so far because immigrants have historically been more ambitious than those left behind. But assimilation is becoming more of a problem. Even as a liberal, I think it’s reasonable to expect immigrants to exert themselves to assimilate.
The fact that many of the immigrants in Europe are Muslim compounds the problem.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth.
Hoo-boy! Committees! Lets appoint a committee to look into the matter. Problem solved. Bwahahahahahahaha!
When will the west face the facts that muslim immigration needs to cease entirely, and those already here that are causing trouble should be deported.
And this idea that “racism” is a factor is nonsense, let’s be honest and admit the problem is with ISLAM. These riots are being perpetrated almost exclusively by muslims. If race were a factor, there would be rioting by those other than muslims. I’m not sure there are Chinese or Indian Hindus involved.
Laura Maybe when the Injuns casinos get even bigger they will buy back America and send us all back – LOL.
Well, for instance the leaders of Vlaams Belang are racists (albeit that being Belgium, but the French have their own little fascist as you will know).
Tommy, I am not suggesting that a committee will solve it all. It is ‘a’ problem and as such, needs to be fought against as good as possible.
That being said, as you all know who ever read my posts, 99% of the problem is caused by the immigrants themselves.
Aren’t these groups comprised mostly born and raised (but not integrated) French citizens? Where do you deport them?
Yes most are, but the ones who are not… goodbye.
Well, I don’t think it would really solve any problems. I think the added benefit of getting a few angry people out would be offset but aditional resentment from the angry citizens that their family and friends were deported. But, I don’t think it would really hurt anything either.
Kevin H.: LOL… so… what are you proposing? Are you a lawyer?
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