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		<title>By: Herodotus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24966</link>
		<dc:creator>Herodotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that the photo has been removed.  I will exit your website again as quickly as I entered.  Let me just say this:

Holly, I honestly found your comments as well as those of other bloggers to be very derisive.  I didn&#039;t post here today because I had nothing better to do.  I was offended.

If you tell me that this was unintentional -- that I&#039;m too sensitive and reading too much between the lines -- then in the spirit of reconciliation I&#039;ll believe you.  I never enjoy internet arguments.  I think that lacking all the communication provided by body language and vocal inflection there is too much room to assume the worst.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the photo has been removed.  I will exit your website again as quickly as I entered.  Let me just say this:</p>
<p>Holly, I honestly found your comments as well as those of other bloggers to be very derisive.  I didn&#8217;t post here today because I had nothing better to do.  I was offended.</p>
<p>If you tell me that this was unintentional &#8212; that I&#8217;m too sensitive and reading too much between the lines &#8212; then in the spirit of reconciliation I&#8217;ll believe you.  I never enjoy internet arguments.  I think that lacking all the communication provided by body language and vocal inflection there is too much room to assume the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: herodotus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24959</link>
		<dc:creator>herodotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The posts are here on your own site.  I&#039;m sure people can decide for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The posts are here on your own site.  I&#8217;m sure people can decide for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24953</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herodotus, I think you have pulled ALL of my comments that you mentioned WAY out of context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herodotus, I think you have pulled ALL of my comments that you mentioned WAY out of context.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24949</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;d just like to say that i view &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; religions with an &lt;b&gt;equal&lt;/b&gt; amount of contempt.

carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;d just like to say that i view <b>all</b> religions with an <b>equal</b> amount of contempt.</p>
<p>carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: OutofContext</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24944</link>
		<dc:creator>OutofContext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just say I&#039;m glad to see Shaun on this site.  I read his blog (in fact I think because TMV linked to it at one point) and he is opinionated, but fair.  I&#039;m a little taken aback by the intensity of the undergarment set-to, but I didn&#039;t see much in the way of invective and it gave me good cause to investigate my thoughts on religious tolerance, fairplay and free speech.  As far as I&#039;m concerned, it&#039;s a good thing.  I have the luxury of not having belief in a dogma of received wisdom, though, so it&#039;s tough to offend me.
Also, as for Shaun not taking Ann Althouse seriously enough; come now, calling her &quot;Annie Pooh&quot; is a little childish, but how serious were the &quot;Clinton and the blogger&#039;s breast wars&quot; a few months back? 
The blog&#039;s fine, as far as I&#039;m concerned, and I read it everyday to take the online pulse, as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just say I&#8217;m glad to see Shaun on this site.  I read his blog (in fact I think because TMV linked to it at one point) and he is opinionated, but fair.  I&#8217;m a little taken aback by the intensity of the undergarment set-to, but I didn&#8217;t see much in the way of invective and it gave me good cause to investigate my thoughts on religious tolerance, fairplay and free speech.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it&#8217;s a good thing.  I have the luxury of not having belief in a dogma of received wisdom, though, so it&#8217;s tough to offend me.<br />
Also, as for Shaun not taking Ann Althouse seriously enough; come now, calling her &#8220;Annie Pooh&#8221; is a little childish, but how serious were the &#8220;Clinton and the blogger&#8217;s breast wars&#8221; a few months back?<br />
The blog&#8217;s fine, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, and I read it everyday to take the online pulse, as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: herodotus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24939</link>
		<dc:creator>herodotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me offer a few insights from the perspective of a Mormon.  Yes the photos are offensive.  Yes, TMV has a right to keep them up.  Iâ€™m not going to riot and kill like some posts have suggested if I donâ€™t get my way.  What has been very illuminating has been the rationale for keeping it up: 

We have some real gems from Holly.  They include:
1.  A discussion of menstrual blood and seminal emissions as they relate to Mormon underwear.
2.  The fact that (unlike Mormons) Jews donâ€™t worship objects (Mormons obviously worship their underwear!)
3.  An argument that if the photos are in wikipedia that they must not be offensive.  (Try a search for â€œMuhammad cartoon  controversyâ€? and see what you find.  Did those get posted here?)
4.  The fact that she has a personal gripe against the Mormon church due to her father being in the LDS genealogical database.

We have Shaun talking about how Mormons â€œparade their religion all over the world, primarily Africa.â€?  I assume that this somehow implicitly justifies an attack on the Mormon religion.

And lastly, we have Greg saying that the comments policy was really only intended to apply to anti-semitic language and that he thinks religious sensitivity is a bad idea anyway.

We also have Greg posting (trolling?) on a Mormon blog site that, â€œsince you have some unusual religious practices and donâ€™t kill people, youâ€™re fair game.â€?  Until I saw this post I had no idea what was going on, but I have to admit that the aggressive tone of his post piqued my curiosity.

For those wondering about the response from the Mormon community, these are some of the reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me offer a few insights from the perspective of a Mormon.  Yes the photos are offensive.  Yes, TMV has a right to keep them up.  Iâ€™m not going to riot and kill like some posts have suggested if I donâ€™t get my way.  What has been very illuminating has been the rationale for keeping it up: </p>
<p>We have some real gems from Holly.  They include:<br />
1.  A discussion of menstrual blood and seminal emissions as they relate to Mormon underwear.<br />
2.  The fact that (unlike Mormons) Jews donâ€™t worship objects (Mormons obviously worship their underwear!)<br />
3.  An argument that if the photos are in wikipedia that they must not be offensive.  (Try a search for â€œMuhammad cartoon  controversyâ€? and see what you find.  Did those get posted here?)<br />
4.  The fact that she has a personal gripe against the Mormon church due to her father being in the LDS genealogical database.</p>
<p>We have Shaun talking about how Mormons â€œparade their religion all over the world, primarily Africa.â€?  I assume that this somehow implicitly justifies an attack on the Mormon religion.</p>
<p>And lastly, we have Greg saying that the comments policy was really only intended to apply to anti-semitic language and that he thinks religious sensitivity is a bad idea anyway.</p>
<p>We also have Greg posting (trolling?) on a Mormon blog site that, â€œsince you have some unusual religious practices and donâ€™t kill people, youâ€™re fair game.â€?  Until I saw this post I had no idea what was going on, but I have to admit that the aggressive tone of his post piqued my curiosity.</p>
<p>For those wondering about the response from the Mormon community, these are some of the reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul in Austin</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24937</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the controversy on this blog is stimulating to me and helps me learn about myself.

We all react differently to challenges to our beliefs.  Some over react and some under react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the controversy on this blog is stimulating to me and helps me learn about myself.</p>
<p>We all react differently to challenges to our beliefs.  Some over react and some under react.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am nothing short of amazed by what the whole underwear photo ignited. I really just don&#039;t see why this is any different from any other post on any other subject with differences of opinion. Some people think it&#039;s offensive, others don&#039;t. Some people think it&#039;s relevant, others don&#039;t. Some people think the message was X, others think it was Y. All in all, your regular TMV post on a controversial subject. No biggie, no bloody revolution.

I do believe that you can&#039;t just tell someone &quot;you don&#039;t have the right to be offended&quot;. Sorry but offence is hardly something you can control. I appreciate how sick everyone is of false outrage, but it looked to me as if the LDS folks writing (and I guess they linked from an LDS blog, lots of new names) were honestly offended. That&#039;s fine, and if you are offended you have the perfect right to say so and ask to have the offensive material removed or apologized for. The &quot;offending&quot; party has the right to not do so and then you have the right to leave or try to garner support from others to preasure the offender. 
Little suggestion though; &quot;That picture is offensive to my faith because it appears to be a joke about a sacred garment important to my people. I think you can make your point without it and would appreciate it being removed&quot; is going to work better than &quot;You are a bigot and could care less about offending my people, while you make sure to treat other faiths with care. This blog is so slanted as to be worth nothing!&quot;

Everyone has their sacred cows. I once asked (and got) the removal of a picture of the train bombings in Madrid because they weren&#039;t needed for the post and caused me personal pain. Michael understood and removed the picture, but when I asked I didn&#039;t call him an insensitive jerk and expressed that I understood why others wouldn&#039;t be bothered by the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am nothing short of amazed by what the whole underwear photo ignited. I really just don&#8217;t see why this is any different from any other post on any other subject with differences of opinion. Some people think it&#8217;s offensive, others don&#8217;t. Some people think it&#8217;s relevant, others don&#8217;t. Some people think the message was X, others think it was Y. All in all, your regular TMV post on a controversial subject. No biggie, no bloody revolution.</p>
<p>I do believe that you can&#8217;t just tell someone &#8220;you don&#8217;t have the right to be offended&#8221;. Sorry but offence is hardly something you can control. I appreciate how sick everyone is of false outrage, but it looked to me as if the LDS folks writing (and I guess they linked from an LDS blog, lots of new names) were honestly offended. That&#8217;s fine, and if you are offended you have the perfect right to say so and ask to have the offensive material removed or apologized for. The &#8220;offending&#8221; party has the right to not do so and then you have the right to leave or try to garner support from others to preasure the offender.<br />
Little suggestion though; &#8220;That picture is offensive to my faith because it appears to be a joke about a sacred garment important to my people. I think you can make your point without it and would appreciate it being removed&#8221; is going to work better than &#8220;You are a bigot and could care less about offending my people, while you make sure to treat other faiths with care. This blog is so slanted as to be worth nothing!&#8221;</p>
<p>Everyone has their sacred cows. I once asked (and got) the removal of a picture of the train bombings in Madrid because they weren&#8217;t needed for the post and caused me personal pain. Michael understood and removed the picture, but when I asked I didn&#8217;t call him an insensitive jerk and expressed that I understood why others wouldn&#8217;t be bothered by the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Abel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24925</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Abel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who occused this site of &quot;jumping the shark&quot;?  I missed that.  Regardless, I think the site is the strongest I&#039;ve seen it -- and it the content grows fresher, more engaging every week if not day.

Can&#039;t please everyone.  Keep doing what you&#039;re doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who occused this site of &#8220;jumping the shark&#8221;?  I missed that.  Regardless, I think the site is the strongest I&#8217;ve seen it &#8212; and it the content grows fresher, more engaging every week if not day.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t please everyone.  Keep doing what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24918</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a site, then go to CONTACT and gmail me. I look at all sites. I&#039;ve only delinked ones that aren&#039;t current, ones that dont&#039; answer our emails if we email them or blogroll us when we blogrolled them as a reciprocal, or blogs that indulge in very personal attacks. I don&#039;t read blogs that get highly personal about this site or its cobloggers and I use the blogroll as my working blogroll. You&#039;ll see some GREAT smaller sites on it. When I do a roundup I usually check various sites on my blogroll and link to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a site, then go to CONTACT and gmail me. I look at all sites. I&#8217;ve only delinked ones that aren&#8217;t current, ones that dont&#8217; answer our emails if we email them or blogroll us when we blogrolled them as a reciprocal, or blogs that indulge in very personal attacks. I don&#8217;t read blogs that get highly personal about this site or its cobloggers and I use the blogroll as my working blogroll. You&#8217;ll see some GREAT smaller sites on it. When I do a roundup I usually check various sites on my blogroll and link to them.</p>
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		<title>By: ShortWoman</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/8559/a-note-to-readers-especially-new-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-24915</link>
		<dc:creator>ShortWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is a FAQ that I have missed, please feel free to refer me there.  Is there a procedure for being added to or recommending and item for your blogroll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is a FAQ that I have missed, please feel free to refer me there.  Is there a procedure for being added to or recommending and item for your blogroll?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawnsblood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawnsblood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would personally prefer you address Andrew&#039;s point directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would personally prefer you address Andrew&#8217;s point directly.</p>
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