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		<title>By: foradil</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-49894</link>
		<dc:creator>foradil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lodine</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-49028</link>
		<dc:creator>lodine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kim Ritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15792</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion,  the Muslims do believe that America is trying to impose its values on the ME, and wants to destroy their religion as it conflicts with our democratic system.  That is why the fundamentalists among them will use any means necessary, including the killing of innocent civilians on both sides.

We believe that men and women are equals, but in the Muslim culture they are not, and they believe that this is the way God set things up. They will never accept that way of thinking or us trying to establish secular governments that take the place of religious law.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion,  the Muslims do believe that America is trying to impose its values on the ME, and wants to destroy their religion as it conflicts with our democratic system.  That is why the fundamentalists among them will use any means necessary, including the killing of innocent civilians on both sides.</p>
<p>We believe that men and women are equals, but in the Muslim culture they are not, and they believe that this is the way God set things up. They will never accept that way of thinking or us trying to establish secular governments that take the place of religious law.</p>
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		<title>By: C.Prez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15790</link>
		<dc:creator>C.Prez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This right here...spells it all out in my mind.

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The current administrationâ€™s core group of supporters has consistently hammered the message that this government is Judeo-Christian in nature following the precepts enshrined in the Ten Commandments. Do you really think the Muslim world ignores this message?

Others may choose to believe that the reason we face hostile Islamic fundamentalism is that they â€˜hate our freedomâ€™, but I would rather soberly face the facts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This right here&#8230;spells it all out in my mind.</p>
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The current administrationâ€™s core group of supporters has consistently hammered the message that this government is Judeo-Christian in nature following the precepts enshrined in the Ten Commandments. Do you really think the Muslim world ignores this message?</p>
<p>Others may choose to believe that the reason we face hostile Islamic fundamentalism is that they â€˜hate our freedomâ€™, but I would rather soberly face the facts.
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		<title>By: MadMustard</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15788</link>
		<dc:creator>MadMustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may disagree with this author on occasion; however, in this instance, he has accurately and thoughtfully boiled this confrontation down to its underlying and often unspoken issues.  For anyone to deny the religious element of this dispute is ignoring reality.  

This author does not require me to defend him, but I take strong exception to the criticism that he is engaging in â€˜chronic relativism equivalencyâ€™.  Impressive sounding criticisms look foolish when misapplied.  Mr. Khindaria asserted a perceived linkage of core beliefs that drive both societies and their worldview.  He did not say that one was better or that they are even the same.  

The current administrationâ€™s core group of supporters has consistently hammered the message that this government is Judeo-Christian in nature following the precepts enshrined in the Ten Commandments.  Do you really think the Muslim world ignores this message?  

Others may choose to believe that the reason we face hostile Islamic fundamentalism is that they â€˜hate our freedomâ€™, but I would rather soberly face the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may disagree with this author on occasion; however, in this instance, he has accurately and thoughtfully boiled this confrontation down to its underlying and often unspoken issues.  For anyone to deny the religious element of this dispute is ignoring reality.  </p>
<p>This author does not require me to defend him, but I take strong exception to the criticism that he is engaging in â€˜chronic relativism equivalencyâ€™.  Impressive sounding criticisms look foolish when misapplied.  Mr. Khindaria asserted a perceived linkage of core beliefs that drive both societies and their worldview.  He did not say that one was better or that they are even the same.  </p>
<p>The current administrationâ€™s core group of supporters has consistently hammered the message that this government is Judeo-Christian in nature following the precepts enshrined in the Ten Commandments.  Do you really think the Muslim world ignores this message?  </p>
<p>Others may choose to believe that the reason we face hostile Islamic fundamentalism is that they â€˜hate our freedomâ€™, but I would rather soberly face the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: duvidil</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15786</link>
		<dc:creator>duvidil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That was easier in the old days when military power sufficed to force colonized people to change their ways of life. Now, for reasons yet to be fully understood, force does not seem to work. Iraq and Afghanistan are current examples.&quot;

I&#039;ll suggest one reason force no longer seems to work to make colonized people change their ways of life.  The force required boils down to cultural destruction if not genocide.  The world, or the weight of worldwide public opinion, usually applies pressure to stop genocide; sometimes that pressure is light, sometimes intense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That was easier in the old days when military power sufficed to force colonized people to change their ways of life. Now, for reasons yet to be fully understood, force does not seem to work. Iraq and Afghanistan are current examples.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll suggest one reason force no longer seems to work to make colonized people change their ways of life.  The force required boils down to cultural destruction if not genocide.  The world, or the weight of worldwide public opinion, usually applies pressure to stop genocide; sometimes that pressure is light, sometimes intense.</p>
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		<title>By: C.Prez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15784</link>
		<dc:creator>C.Prez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can agree with this statement:

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Ideology, clashing worldviews and irrational beliefs seem to be driving this confrontation. Nothing good can come of going further down such a path of willful incomprehension and absence of dialogue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can agree with this statement:</p>
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Ideology, clashing worldviews and irrational beliefs seem to be driving this confrontation. Nothing good can come of going further down such a path of willful incomprehension and absence of dialogue.
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15783</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This analysis would make sense if Iran&#039;s&lt;i&gt; people &lt;/i&gt;truly wanted to live under a religious Caliphate.  That view represents Iran&#039;s current leaders, but not its people.  If this was the majority view, then why would the govt be jailing and torturing student dissenters and purging progressive faculty from the universities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This analysis would make sense if Iran&#8217;s<i> people </i>truly wanted to live under a religious Caliphate.  That view represents Iran&#8217;s current leaders, but not its people.  If this was the majority view, then why would the govt be jailing and torturing student dissenters and purging progressive faculty from the universities?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/7759/staring-down-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-15782</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To equate Iranian Shiite Theocracy to the Democratic values expressed in the Constitution is beyond beliefe. It is the height of chronic relativism equivilancy. 

I am sorry, but they are not relatively equivilant ways of governing. I am not even going to go into the obvious differences.

Statements like &lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Perhaps, they also want to evangelize their Shiite beliefs abroad but that is not yet clear.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

are falsely vague, to provide more weight to the writer&#039;s suppositions. There is nothing unclear about their desires,as they have openly stated them on numerous occasions.

Statements like:

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Iranâ€™s leaders disdain these American precepts, which go back a few centuries while their own ways go back over a millennium.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


and
&lt;blockquote&gt;

Yet, Washington is bent upon changing how Iranians live. The White House has branded as â€œevilâ€? the government of a 3,500-year-old people.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

are banal, at best. Perhaps we need to go back to the old caste system in India, as it is very old, too. The feudal system in Europe lasted a long time, so it must be better too. And of course we need think about restoring the Pharoes and Roman Emporers while we are at it.

Rubbish is what I say to the underlying conceits of Mr. Khindaria. Government and politics based on the concepts of the Enlightment (which pre-dates the US, but is the basis of the concept of the people ruling the country, not religious leaders or Kings) is absolutly a more modern, and better, form of government.

I cannot believe you would actually advocate that because Shiite religous rule has been around 3500 years it should be allowed to remain.

Again, rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To equate Iranian Shiite Theocracy to the Democratic values expressed in the Constitution is beyond beliefe. It is the height of chronic relativism equivilancy. </p>
<p>I am sorry, but they are not relatively equivilant ways of governing. I am not even going to go into the obvious differences.</p>
<p>Statements like<br />
<blockquote>
&#8220;Perhaps, they also want to evangelize their Shiite beliefs abroad but that is not yet clear.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>are falsely vague, to provide more weight to the writer&#8217;s suppositions. There is nothing unclear about their desires,as they have openly stated them on numerous occasions.</p>
<p>Statements like:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Iranâ€™s leaders disdain these American precepts, which go back a few centuries while their own ways go back over a millennium.
</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Yet, Washington is bent upon changing how Iranians live. The White House has branded as â€œevilâ€? the government of a 3,500-year-old people.
</p></blockquote>
<p>are banal, at best. Perhaps we need to go back to the old caste system in India, as it is very old, too. The feudal system in Europe lasted a long time, so it must be better too. And of course we need think about restoring the Pharoes and Roman Emporers while we are at it.</p>
<p>Rubbish is what I say to the underlying conceits of Mr. Khindaria. Government and politics based on the concepts of the Enlightment (which pre-dates the US, but is the basis of the concept of the people ruling the country, not religious leaders or Kings) is absolutly a more modern, and better, form of government.</p>
<p>I cannot believe you would actually advocate that because Shiite religous rule has been around 3500 years it should be allowed to remain.</p>
<p>Again, rubbish.</p>
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