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		<title>By: Kim Ritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6875</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sal- I disagree. The Christian Coalition handed out voter guides in 2000 and 2004 to millions of church-goers. Its no accident we&#039;ve ended up with anti-abortion S.C. judges-that&#039;s James Dobson&#039;s influence. Also, look at the gay marriage ban, and Bush&#039;s idea to give money to faith-based initiatives. Its a mistake to underestimate this group, and  the Dems are realizing that fact a little late as it is. Republicans are portraying Democrats as against organized religion, and its costing them elections.

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Dana Milbank asks Will Democrats Put Their Faith in Obama? and the answer is Perhaps If They Take Enough Valium. Sen. Barak Obama (D-Not Hillary) gave a religiously themed speech, promoting the usual Democrat talking points but emphasizing some new

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Honest to God, we need a long meandering religious rant from Barak Obama about as much as we need people blaming it all on Bill Clinton. Mother Mary, that&#039;s Sean Hannity&#039;s line!



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Sen. Barack Obama chastised fellow Democrats on Wednesday for failing to &#8220;acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people,&#8221; and said the party must compete for the support of evangelicals and other churchgoing Americans. ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sal- I disagree. The Christian Coalition handed out voter guides in 2000 and 2004 to millions of church-goers. Its no accident we&#8217;ve ended up with anti-abortion S.C. judges-that&#8217;s James Dobson&#8217;s influence. Also, look at the gay marriage ban, and Bush&#8217;s idea to give money to faith-based initiatives. Its a mistake to underestimate this group, and  the Dems are realizing that fact a little late as it is. Republicans are portraying Democrats as against organized religion, and its costing them elections.</p>
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TITLE: The Hell We Don&#8217;t Welcome Faith<br />
BLOG NAME: PostWatch<br />
Dana Milbank asks Will Democrats Put Their Faith in Obama? and the answer is Perhaps If They Take Enough Valium. Sen. Barak Obama (D-Not Hillary) gave a religiously themed speech, promoting the usual Democrat talking points but emphasizing some new</p>
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TITLE: Barak Obama Lectures his Own<br />
BLOG NAME: Taylor Marsh<br />
Honest to God, we need a long meandering religious rant from Barak Obama about as much as we need people blaming it all on Bill Clinton. Mother Mary, that&#8217;s Sean Hannity&#8217;s line!</p>
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Sen. Barack Obama chastised fellow Democrats on Wednesday for failing to &#8220;acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people,&#8221; and said the party must compete for the support of evangelicals and other churchgoing Americans. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6874</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly, that&#039;s where I stand. 

We should also be questioning whether the perception of Democrats as opposed to religion is accurate--I do not believe it is.  Having said that, Obama&#039;s comments should remind Democrats that they need to work harder to correct the perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly, that&#8217;s where I stand. </p>
<p>We should also be questioning whether the perception of Democrats as opposed to religion is accurate&#8211;I do not believe it is.  Having said that, Obama&#8217;s comments should remind Democrats that they need to work harder to correct the perception.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6873</link>
		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find most interesting about the reactions to this speech is the focus on whether or not Obama is saying the right thing for his political team. I.e., does this speech move one team ahead 2 points in the polls or not? That&#039;s the exact sort of thinking that us moderates are supposed to hate. Instead, we should be focusing on whether or not Obama is correct about the role of religion in politics. That seems more interesting to me, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find most interesting about the reactions to this speech is the focus on whether or not Obama is saying the right thing for his political team. I.e., does this speech move one team ahead 2 points in the polls or not? That&#8217;s the exact sort of thinking that us moderates are supposed to hate. Instead, we should be focusing on whether or not Obama is correct about the role of religion in politics. That seems more interesting to me, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Salmineo</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6872</link>
		<dc:creator>Salmineo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim I think the voting power of the religious right is way overblown. The republicans keep them sequestered in the dark with orders to &quot;break glass in case of close election&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim I think the voting power of the religious right is way overblown. The republicans keep them sequestered in the dark with orders to &#8220;break glass in case of close election&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Ritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6871</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not religious,but have absolutely no problem with the Democratic party trying to broaden its appeal to get faith-based voters back in the fold. I think the Dems like the Republicans have become hostage to the extremists in their party-which enables the right to paint them as &quot;the party of death&quot; and &quot;godless&quot;.
 The Dems also need to regain their stance as the party of working low and middle class families, and appealing to religious values would probably help.  Also, I wish they&#039;d get away from their image as the party of high taxes and entitlements, especially with minority voters. Why not be the party of diverse opportunity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not religious,but have absolutely no problem with the Democratic party trying to broaden its appeal to get faith-based voters back in the fold. I think the Dems like the Republicans have become hostage to the extremists in their party-which enables the right to paint them as &#8220;the party of death&#8221; and &#8220;godless&#8221;.<br />
 The Dems also need to regain their stance as the party of working low and middle class families, and appealing to religious values would probably help.  Also, I wish they&#8217;d get away from their image as the party of high taxes and entitlements, especially with minority voters. Why not be the party of diverse opportunity?</p>
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		<title>By: Salmineo</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6870</link>
		<dc:creator>Salmineo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all wrong.

This is a the begining of a Clinton-Obama 2008 presidential run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are all wrong.</p>
<p>This is a the begining of a Clinton-Obama 2008 presidential run.</p>
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		<title>By: C.Prez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6869</link>
		<dc:creator>C.Prez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me to Obama:  &quot;DON&#039;T F**K THIS UP!!!!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me to Obama:  &#8220;DON&#8217;T F**K THIS UP!!!!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6868</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a center-left Democrat and a religious person, I have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with Barack Obama&#039;s speech. I look  forward to voting for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a center-left Democrat and a religious person, I have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with Barack Obama&#8217;s speech. I look  forward to voting for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Pyst</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6867</link>
		<dc:creator>Pyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this is, is the fundamentalists covering their bases, by forcing the Democrats to cower before them. They have spun this angle, and hooked a few slobbering vote chasers from the left into biting hard. Soon we will see Democrats doing religions bidding for them through political means. This is an eventual loss of personal freedom for anyone that doesn&#039;t care for government imposing moral doctrine from capitol hill. I am not religious, and don&#039;t break any laws (unless the occational traffic law is now a sin) and I don&#039;t want any religion affecting my life by using political means. 

If I wanted something like this I would move to the Middle East, and I sure as hell ain&#039;t going there in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this is, is the fundamentalists covering their bases, by forcing the Democrats to cower before them. They have spun this angle, and hooked a few slobbering vote chasers from the left into biting hard. Soon we will see Democrats doing religions bidding for them through political means. This is an eventual loss of personal freedom for anyone that doesn&#8217;t care for government imposing moral doctrine from capitol hill. I am not religious, and don&#8217;t break any laws (unless the occational traffic law is now a sin) and I don&#8217;t want any religion affecting my life by using political means. </p>
<p>If I wanted something like this I would move to the Middle East, and I sure as hell ain&#8217;t going there in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6866</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Noone on this one.  I think it&#039;s something Democrats need to confront head-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Noone on this one.  I think it&#8217;s something Democrats need to confront head-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fotos</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6865</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Fotos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://aaraujo.streetprophets.com/story/2006/6/28/22177/9778&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chuck Currie&lt;/a&gt; at the Kossack &quot;Street Prophets&quot; site isn&#039;t having a very hard time finding liberals contemptuous of  combining Christian and other faiths with politics. How small a faction do you really think this is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://aaraujo.streetprophets.com/story/2006/6/28/22177/9778" rel="nofollow">Chuck Currie</a> at the Kossack &#8220;Street Prophets&#8221; site isn&#8217;t having a very hard time finding liberals contemptuous of  combining Christian and other faiths with politics. How small a faction do you really think this is?</p>
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		<title>By: Noone Really</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6864</link>
		<dc:creator>Noone Really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like and agree with Obama here as well. Personally, I&#039;m not in the least religious but I definitely see where the viewpoint comes from. Democrats are the party of pro-choicers, gay rights advocates, and secularists. When you think &quot;left&quot;, &quot;liberal&quot; or &quot;Democrat&quot;, these issues usually come to mind first and they&#039;re all touted by the right as &quot;Anti-Christian&quot;. Which obviously isn&#039;t necessarily true, but so very rarely do I hear of a Democrat defending that. They&#039;re typically usually too busy complaining about the &quot;Christian Right&quot;. 

Come to think of it, that last sentence kinda sums it up, don&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like and agree with Obama here as well. Personally, I&#8217;m not in the least religious but I definitely see where the viewpoint comes from. Democrats are the party of pro-choicers, gay rights advocates, and secularists. When you think &#8220;left&#8221;, &#8220;liberal&#8221; or &#8220;Democrat&#8221;, these issues usually come to mind first and they&#8217;re all touted by the right as &#8220;Anti-Christian&#8221;. Which obviously isn&#8217;t necessarily true, but so very rarely do I hear of a Democrat defending that. They&#8217;re typically usually too busy complaining about the &#8220;Christian Right&#8221;. </p>
<p>Come to think of it, that last sentence kinda sums it up, don&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/6858/what-the-hell-is-obama-doing/comment-page-1/#comment-6863</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, thanks for putting this quote in context. It looks like selective quoting can get the best of Obama&#039;s full meaning, which is why I&#039;m constantly becoming more skeptical every time I see a single sentence or partial sentence quote. These quotes are often purposely taken out of context.

In context, I agree with Obama. Instead of trying to avoid all talk of religion, I think Democrats should take another angle. Offer the bible verses that discuss &quot;turn the other cheek&quot; and &quot;let he who has not sinned cast the first stone&quot; and similar verses when Republicans trot out the abortion, gay marriage, and similar religious stances. There are a lot of people whose values are shaped by religion but believe you can not legislate religion or simply believe helping the needy and living a good life yourself is the true message of religion, not legislating &quot;morality&quot; (whoever determines the definition of that). There is a real opportunity for Democrats here. I believe their values are in line with this philosophy but they have not taken the time to point this out. Instead, they stay quiet on the subject while Republicans define them as anti-religious secularists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thanks for putting this quote in context. It looks like selective quoting can get the best of Obama&#8217;s full meaning, which is why I&#8217;m constantly becoming more skeptical every time I see a single sentence or partial sentence quote. These quotes are often purposely taken out of context.</p>
<p>In context, I agree with Obama. Instead of trying to avoid all talk of religion, I think Democrats should take another angle. Offer the bible verses that discuss &#8220;turn the other cheek&#8221; and &#8220;let he who has not sinned cast the first stone&#8221; and similar verses when Republicans trot out the abortion, gay marriage, and similar religious stances. There are a lot of people whose values are shaped by religion but believe you can not legislate religion or simply believe helping the needy and living a good life yourself is the true message of religion, not legislating &#8220;morality&#8221; (whoever determines the definition of that). There is a real opportunity for Democrats here. I believe their values are in line with this philosophy but they have not taken the time to point this out. Instead, they stay quiet on the subject while Republicans define them as anti-religious secularists.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim in WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim in WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some context, from the speech:

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Conservative leaders, from Falwell and Robertson to Karl Rove and Ralph Reed, have been all too happy to exploit this gap, consistently reminding evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage, school prayer and intelligent design.

&lt;b&gt;Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait.&lt;/b&gt; At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that -- regardless of our personal beliefs -- constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, some liberals dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word &quot;Christian&quot; describes one&#039;s political opponents, not people of faith.

Such strategies of avoidance may work for progressives when the opponent is Alan Keyes. But over the long haul, I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people, and join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy.
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Full speech at &lt;a href=&quot;http://alternet.org/story/38260/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;alternet.&lt;/a&gt;

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I believe that Obama is actually agreeing with you here.  The Right has forced itself into a position where it gets to say that Christians have to vote Republican, and the Left is not challenging them on that point.  What Obama spends most of his speech doing is explaining why the Democrats &lt;b&gt;need&lt;/b&gt; to challenge them on that point.  

There&#039;s a lot of mainline Protestants, middle-and-left-leaning Catholics, and non-Christians who feel politically homeless right now.  They see the Republican Party, which has narrowly defined Christianity in terms of gays, fetuses, and evolution; and the Democrat party, which politely asks one to either not vote with one&#039;s conscience, or instead ignore the fact that one&#039;s moral code is often shaped by their faith (and vice versa)

No right-wing talking points spun me into thinking that way, either.  Just read the comments at any of the links you posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some context, from the speech:</p>
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Conservative leaders, from Falwell and Robertson to Karl Rove and Ralph Reed, have been all too happy to exploit this gap, consistently reminding evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage, school prayer and intelligent design.</p>
<p><b>Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait.</b> At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that &#8212; regardless of our personal beliefs &#8212; constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, some liberals dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word &#8220;Christian&#8221; describes one&#8217;s political opponents, not people of faith.</p>
<p>Such strategies of avoidance may work for progressives when the opponent is Alan Keyes. But over the long haul, I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people, and join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy.
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<p>Full speech at <a href="http://alternet.org/story/38260/" rel="nofollow">alternet.</a></p>
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<p>I believe that Obama is actually agreeing with you here.  The Right has forced itself into a position where it gets to say that Christians have to vote Republican, and the Left is not challenging them on that point.  What Obama spends most of his speech doing is explaining why the Democrats <b>need</b> to challenge them on that point.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of mainline Protestants, middle-and-left-leaning Catholics, and non-Christians who feel politically homeless right now.  They see the Republican Party, which has narrowly defined Christianity in terms of gays, fetuses, and evolution; and the Democrat party, which politely asks one to either not vote with one&#8217;s conscience, or instead ignore the fact that one&#8217;s moral code is often shaped by their faith (and vice versa)</p>
<p>No right-wing talking points spun me into thinking that way, either.  Just read the comments at any of the links you posted.</p>
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		<title>By: liberalhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberalhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously Obama is a traitor with Joemementum, a vichy to the Bushitler fascists.   

Maybe Kos and pals could find someone like Ned Lamont to run against him.  Nothing like running the son of the nations most famous atheist crank to show youre not wildly secularist, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously Obama is a traitor with Joemementum, a vichy to the Bushitler fascists.   </p>
<p>Maybe Kos and pals could find someone like Ned Lamont to run against him.  Nothing like running the son of the nations most famous atheist crank to show youre not wildly secularist, eh?</p>
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