Comments on: Vindication or Blackmail?

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:45:22 +0000

“Oops, there go my lefty credentials.”

No problem. I consider Thomas as mistreated in his own way during confirmation as the scummy treatment of Bork by left-activists and die-hard fanatical defenders of illegitimate judicial activism (which has been the rule and notorious in our modern decades, since the late 1930s, become worst of all with the Warren Court — and Bork long ago described the conservative as well as liberal activism that happened prior to the 1930s, especially in the nineteenth century in the case of conservative activism).

If it's any consolation, Thomas has been something of a disappointment since going on the Court — I'd like to see more in his opinions that he provides.

By: rfyork

rfyork — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:15:38 +0000

As a lefty, I hate to agree with you. But then, much as I loath the man and his judicial philosophy, I felt the same way about Clarence Thomas. One does not have to agree with pedophilia or sexual harassment to wonder why it takes so long to report them? And those who exploit them are pretty loathsome. (Even though I was and will remain forever a big Teddy Kennedy fan, nobody's perfect.)

Oops, there go my lefty credentials.

If it flops like a fish and it stinks, it's fishy.

By: WagglebutII

WagglebutII — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:49:27 +0000

Polanski's conduct should be considered much worse than Garn's as the former incident involved an under the consent age minor as well as aggravated assault considering the minor was drugged and forcibly raped.

Of course an under consent aged child cannot give consent even if force was not involved. Garn seems to have met his match with this girl, he got what he deserved

By: Schadenfreude_lives

Schadenfreude_lives — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:03:39 +0000

One other point that I cannot let go without a comment.

While in no way excusing Garns, it is interesting how his hot tubbing with a 15-year old is perceived as compared to Polanski drugging and raping a 13-year old girl, at least by some people.

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:29:15 +0000

"she has gotten her money and will not be looked upon well"

For violating the agreement, she should go to jail or prison.

For attempting blackmail, she should go to jail or prison, as well as suffer a big-damages lawsuit by him.

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:27:03 +0000

"I already have my Whacking Sock prepared"

If you garden, don't forget the pruning shears!

[in honor of my goddaughters]

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:58:37 +0000

Schade- Yes, I see your point, thanks! I guess I'm a little slow today because of the time change.

By: Schadenfreude_lives

Schadenfreude_lives — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:45:15 +0000

SB – she blackmailed him as a p[politician running for office. It didn't matter if criminal charges were possible. Look what has happened now that it has come out.

No politician can run for office with something like that as open knowledge.

AustinRoth

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:40:33 +0000

I agree with you…. I was pointing out that she is predatory, too. Though as you rightly point out, the sexual predator actions he quite possibly engaged in is more of a menace to society at large.

By: TheMagicalSkyFather

TheMagicalSkyFather — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:18:16 +0000

Of course they are predatory but I do not think that equates to the danger a sexual predator poses to society at large. My main issue here is this guy had known her and been close to her for years…he had been her freaking Sunday School teacher. I just find it utterly depraved and pity what that must have done to her outlook on the world of adults. It seems to have turned her into, if she already wasn't, a slime ball but again that is why I think these types of deals should be illegal.

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:14:23 +0000

If the age of consent in Utah was 14 back in 1985, then what grounds did she have to blackmail him? I know that some states have convoluted consent laws, where an adult can not have sex with a someone below a certain age, even if that younger person can have sex, but only with people of similar age…. Perhaps that's what's going on here?

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:05:16 +0000

“This would have ensured the safety of other little girls that had not yet come into contact with him. She punted on that until… and maybe now has daughters herself and no longer see's this as the innocent or non-predatory actions she once did?”

I think her 25 year old daughter is safe from these things. (Humor…. I don't know if she has a 25 yo daughter.)

As far as predatory actions… didn't she engage in her own predatory actions when she blackmailed him?

By: Schadenfreude_lives

Schadenfreude_lives — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:54:29 +0000

Who took the pictures? Why were pictures being taken of 30-year old and a 15-year old, naked in a hot tub? I do not buy any explanation that nothing untowards was going on.

But there is no way he can be prosecuted. The age of consent in Utah in 1985 was 14.

By: Jazz

Jazz — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:32:46 +0000

Here's a full collection of the ponies in question:
http://themoderatevoice.com/author/Jazz/

Cheers

By: TheMagicalSkyFather

TheMagicalSkyFather — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:44:33 +0000

Considering the guy was her Sunday School teacher he had a hand in her moral upbringing, or lack there of. Personally I think these hush payments and the contracts that go with them should just be flat illegal implicating both sides if they come to light and involving jail time for both sides. What happened had already effected her and though she deserves compensation for that the way to receive it was through the courts. This would have ensured the safety of other little girls that had not yet come into contact with him. She punted on that until, and I could be wrong about this, she was older and maybe now has daughters herself and no longer see's this as the innocent or non-predatory actions she once did? That is my only guess, she has gotten her money and will not be looked upon well so I cant really think of any other reason to go public now other than a sudden realisation that what happened to her could happen to her daughter/'s and the only way to stop it is to prosecute and/or go public. The allegations currently be investigated by Salt Lake City Weekly into the cover up of these allegations in the early 00's by local newspapers and the Mormon church is what I find more worrying.

By: balthar

balthar — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:18:32 +0000

"Have at it?" Jazz, this is the first article on TMV I've read that makes any sense!

I'll have to go back and see what other ponies you've deposited in the TMV stables.

As a father to two daughters, I already have my Whacking Sock prepared (I prefer ball bearings for filler, that you very much). I pray I've taught them better than whatever raised Ms. Maher.