A Washington Post/ABC News poll finds widespread support for the NSA’s phone data collection program:
A majority of Americans initially support a controversial National Security Agency program to collect information on telephone calls made in the United States in an effort to identify and investigate potential terrorist threats, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.The new survey found that 63 percent of Americans said they found the NSA program to be an acceptable way to investigate terrorism, including 44 percent who strongly endorsed the effort. Another 35 percent said the program was unacceptable, which included 24 percent who strongly objected to it.
A slightly larger majority–66 percent–said they would not be bothered if NSA collected records of personal calls they had made, the poll found.
From the poll, it sounds like many Americans have considered the tradeoff and are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt:
Underlying those views is the belief that the need to investigate terrorism outweighs privacy concerns. According to the poll, 65 percent of those interviewed said it was more important to investigate potential terrorist threats “even if it intrudes on privacy.” Three in 10–31 percent–said it was more important for the federal government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate possible terrorist threats.Half–51 percent–approved of the way President Bush was handling privacy matters.
Several things about this poll:
And then there is this key point:
We regularly run polls on this site when we see a significant shift or part of a patter on something such as the Iraq war or President George Bush’s popularity. And there is a clear trend we’ve spotted when we do:
–If people (on the left or right) agree with a poll, it’s a solid, good poll and is meaningful.
–If they don’t agree with it, then they question its methodology, the question asked, or hint that the polling organization or news organization involved is doing the poll with a bias to try and hoodwink the public.
–But the people who question a poll (on the right and the left) will embrace a poll by the same company and news organization when it shows what they like and tout it far and wide.
In fact, if you tout one poll by an organization then it is also significant and presumably credible when you see one you don’t agree with.
This poll may suggest that Americans initially have no problems with the NSA program. However, there could be a still be a spillover contributing to this administration’s credibility problems — particularly if more damaging information surfaces.
Will more info surface? Information is coming out that was kept from the American public. The hearings for General Michael Hayden for new CIA chief are coming up. Plus other hearings. More details could be forthcoming.
So this poll is likely an accurate first reading (after all WE have cited these same polls before on other issues and there’s no reason for us now to suddenly assume they are fraudulent or way off base). What happens as American absorb more information? When other polls come in on this issue it will be easier to determine an actual trend.
The Left Coaster’s Steve Soto has a MUST READ POST where he deals with this issue (see his update to readers) of not just the poll but taking the poll seriously. He is not trying to dismiss it but looking at it and analzying it:
In choosing which issues to use against this White House and the GOP in the fall campaign, those of us on the center-left must be prepared for the possibility that the country doesn’t see the NSA data mining and wiretapping programs with the same degree of alarm as we do. A quick ABC News/Washington Post poll done yesterday (with a relatively large margin of error of 4.5 points) found that the public isn’t concerned with having the NSA data mine the nation’s telephone calls, and that by a 2-1 margin, respondents weren’t concerned with the government tracking their calls. In fact, 45% of Democrats and 6 in 10 independents support what they have heard so far.We can raise red flags all we want on our side of the aisle about the violation of basic freedoms and privacy that are front and center with the Bush Administration’s behavior here. But in this post-9/11 world run by an administration that has manipulated fear to a point that a large number of Americans are scared children who would rather give up some rights in order to be protected from the bad guy under the bed, it appears that the public is fine with intrusive and illegal programs like these until it is shown that Bush did something with this information other than build a database to be used in identifying suspect calling patterns.
Read it in its entirety.
UPDATE: Mystery Pollster has an interestings analysis that suggests this issue could actually help GWB, in an unexpected way. A small part of it 4 U:
Yes, this survey involves a relatively small sample size (502 adults) with a slightly larger margin of error than other national polls (+/- 4.5%). And yes, calling was completed in a single evening, a practice would have missed those not at home last night and possibly overrepresented those watching the news on television last night. However, the findings are generally consistent with previous polling on the NSA domestic eavesdropping. It is also worth remembering that the brief upward movement in President Bush’s job approval rating coincided with the disclosure of the stories on NSA wiretaps in January.MP makes no predictions, but Bush can only stand to gain if the public’s attention shifts from his handling of gas prices, the economy, immigration and Iraq to his administration’s efforts to “investigate terrorism.” The Post-ABC poll found that 51% approve (and 47% disapprove) of “the way Bush is handling Protecting Americans’ privacy rights as the government investigates terrorism.” That is “hardly a robust rating,” as the ABC release puts it, “but one that’s far better than his overall job approval, in the low 30s in recent polls.”
Meanwhile, Rasmussen Reports finds Bush’s job approval rating is still in the South Pole.
I would take the poll more seriously if it were in the field for three days. If the numbers came back the same, then I’d have to seriously consider. But if 40%$ of Democrats support it (meaning the sample wasn’t overwhelmingly Republican) then maybe there is some truth to the poll’s findings. My hope is that the outrage from commentators across the political spectrum (including people like Joe Scarborough) will help educate the public on what is alarming about this.
That said, I’m not terribly surprised that people are willing to give up their privacy so easily. For all our talk about our liberties, Americans are quite authoritarian in many ways. We have no problem with the death penalty. We have no problem with a robust military. We tend to idolize the police in our popular culture (consider how many TV dramas are police dramas). I believe that a poll was conducted in 1970 and found that a majority of Americans would actually give up 6 of the 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights if they had the option. Our belief in “freedom” is usually quite hollow. At least that’s the impulse of most Americans. Now, people can be educated to understand the need for their freedoms – including especially those they don’t “use.” But that takes effort. All of this is why a strong judicial branch is necessary to protect American citizens from the tyranny of the majority. Anybody who is a member of a racial, religious or other minority knows quite well how authoritarian the majority can get.
I think most Americans are proving to be cowards. Oooh, I might get hurt. I’ll give up all my freedom on the off chance that being a slave to authoritarian jerks will protect me:P.
The poll is bullcrap. The wording sets up a false dichotomy and the sheer fact that the poll was done the same day the info was release to the public is more than enough to question it.
Give it three or four days then let’s see.
A few points:
One, having worked in market research and polling, it’s standard practice to say all polls are impartial. The reality is that the client sets the goals and can very easily embed their message in the questions themselves. As TDV points out above, this poll’s questions establish a false dichotomy from the word go: privacy or anti-terrorism. The “post-9/11 world” conveniently ignores reports that intelligence on hand at the time could have prevented 9/11, never mind 50+ years opposing the better funded and resourced Red hordes. Is more intelligence required for prosecution of the GWoT, or better use of the intelligence available?
Two, the poll was conducted with a sample of 502 respondents. Is that really a representative sample of 350 million? How was the nation sampled by region, by state, by party affiliation, and by political ideology? I’m no expert, but on the face, it seems to be drawing hard conclusions from rough data.
Three, as Greenwald points out, these aren’t simple concepts being bandied about. The legal and ethical ramifications aren’t easily digested and processed. Regrettably, most now rely on someone else to do that for them, with according biases on interpretation and relevance of details.
On sample sizes, this comment from a posting at Balloon Juice.
The poll’s page at ABC gives an analysis breakdown, but still not sampling breakdown.
It will be interesting to see if future polls on this subject reflect the same overwhelming indifference on the part of the general public.
So far, the arguments against this poll are remarkably similar to the ones used by staunch Republicans to explain away polls they don’t like… and just as convincing.
Richard Borin, who did the WPost poll, has a record of using questionable methodolgy to produce polls that support Republican postions. See Jane Hamsher’s 5-2-06 post on the Firedoglake blog.
Like frightened children, most people will tend to support anything they are told is meant to protect them. I think it would be a smart idea for Democrats to argue against the NSA program on the basis of its ineffectiveness rather than getting into the legalities of it, since whether or not the program is illegal is open to debate. I also think it’s not smart to accuse the Bush administration of nefarious motives with regard to the program, since there is no proof, not to mention it sounds like the stuff of moonbat conspiracy theory nuts.
Also I have considered the timing of this latest “leaked” revelation, which comes amidst the growing attention being paid to the bribery hooker scandal and the potential indictment of Rove over Plamegate. I’m sure many of you have noticed by now that every time this administration has political trouble, the war on terror gets pushed to the front of the news cycle. I wouldn’t be surprised if perhaps the Bush administration in fact wanted this story to go public, correctly anticipating Americans would back them, and therefore make it look as though they are tough on terrorism while the Dems are perceived as weak.
Newsweekappears to be contradicting this with their own poll …
Indeed. NSA program is viewed as “Goes too far” by 53%, as compared to “Necessary Tool” by 41%. Americans also think that Bush admin has gone too far in expanding Presidential power, 52%-38%.
We’ll need a few more polls to split the baby here, but at the very least, Americans are muddled about this one.
I was out and am only here for a few minutes but I just did one on the Newsweek post. I noted in my post above that the key is in looking at many polls THEn seeing a trend. But because people don’t like ONE poll doesn’t mean the pollig company or media outlet that carries it are in on some kind of big conspiracy and evil. It means that poll just happened to find that was the opinion at the time it was taken.