Comments on: Is Obama’s Leadership Now Lacking In Health Care Reform Push? http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:46:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Art Levine: Paralysis on the Left and in Congress: Health Reform, Strong Jobs Bill In Peril | Twitmerlin - News, Celebs Gossip, Social Media http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-250594 Art Levine: Paralysis on the Left and in Congress: Health Reform, Strong Jobs Bill In Peril | Twitmerlin - News, Celebs Gossip, Social Media Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:00:08 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-250594 [...] Democrats are sending strong signals that they want to see more leadership from the President on health care [...]

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By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249621 DLS Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:23:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249621 “Did Obama's political strategist die in the past year or something?”

Rahm Emanuel has been the object of much scrutiny and criticism.

Let's see if “bringing Plouffe onto the team” becomes meaningful soon.

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By: dduck12 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249431 dduck12 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:46:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249431 Good post.

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By: dduck12 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249430 dduck12 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:44:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249430 Yup.

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By: daveinboca http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249405 daveinboca Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:15:39 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249405 At one point, polls indicated a public option was favored, but that was a while ago. When Obama reneged on his transparency promises and Reid did his backroom kickbacks and payouts for support, he violated all norms of proportion. Paying Louisiana, Nebraska, and SEIU with sweetheart deals after special pleading combined with the crotch bomber to vault Scott Brown's numbers in MA, which were 20 points behind Choakley on Dec. 28th, to five points ahead by election day Jan. 19th, the biggest fastest turnaround in a Senate election since direct election of Senators began under Teddy Roosevelt.

Even the Swedes voted in a conservative party a few years back. And have the Swedes ever found the guy who killed their Prime Minister in the middle of Stockholm a dozen years ago? Sounds like a dysfunctional utopia, especially since Swedes can't walk near the docks in Malmo without police protection from the “guest workers” they imported from Islamic countries who have set up a little Malmostan right in the middle of town.

The US is a center-right country and occasionally takes a walk on the wild side only to return to true north, which is the self-identified 40% conservative, 40% indpendent, 20% liberal tripod that has remained the same more or less for over two centuries. Americans don't want socialism and any yoyo who says they do should probably check into a political rehab clinic for de-indoctrination.

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249373 Axel Kaspar Edgren Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:46:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249373 Except people wanted a public option. It wasn't socialism they disliked, it was the sucking up to Pharmas, Unions and other, off-the-street entities.

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By: daveinboca http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249362 daveinboca Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:47:33 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249362 In Oregon, the natives just voted taxes up retroactively. The rest of the country is too sane to follow that Pied Piper, but there's always someone somewhere who doesn't get the memo. If you want taxes up elsewhere, feel free to pay mine.

Socialized medicine, as with many things children & those in second childhood desire, looks like it's not on the menu anymore. Thanks, Obama, but tell Nancy & Barney and the other congresscritters in safe seats to knock themselves out. Gallup says approval for a US gov takeover of health is in the 35% range and going downhill faster than a luge on an icy slope.

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By: daveinboca http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249360 daveinboca Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:44:33 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249360 Schadenfreude, a few years ago, the Heavyweight Boxing Champion of the US Army fought a boxing match in Sweden and told me afterwards that in the month leading up to the match, he thought the Swedes, though they hid their true feelings behind a babble of PC gibberish, were the most racist of the thirty or so countries that he had a privilege of visiting while fighting bouts with a couple or three weeks training thrown in.

Now we see from the troll Axel, if he is an example, that they are probably the most condescending and least knowledgeable except in their very narrow minds. There are exceptions of course to every rule, but this dude seems to fall into the prejudiced often-wrong-but-never-in-doubt arrogant northern European category. I lived in France for several years and travelled all over Europe, and found most Europeans relatively broad-minded, though a bit convinced their own small slice of national territory possessed an inordinate amount of the world's wisdom and historical importance.

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By: Lit3Bolt http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249348 Lit3Bolt Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:44:28 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249348 It's political situations like this that make me go from vague quiet depression to full blown nihilism. Healthcare is a huge domestic problem, the biggest item on the budget aside from defense spending (and a rant against THAT is a whole 'nother post), destined to only grow bigger and more expensive, and we have one party cheering failure to address this problem while the other gazes stupidly at its elected officials, wondering exactly what was the point of electing these bozos in the first place if they couldn't, y'know, actually GOVERN. Hell, the Republicans may be evil, but at least they can tie their shoes in the morning. History will damn Obama for not using the near tyrannical powers of the US presidency to their fullest advantage to get the legislation he wanted. Or did he? I'm so confused now.

Is there a back story to this? Did Obama's political strategist die in the past year or something? Did all Democrats brain cells fry when they saw Scott Brown? The meltdown is beyond epic now. It's legendary. It sadly plays into key Republican talking point of Obama's lack of leadership…given the evidence, it's hard not to disagree.

So yeah, let's go. President Palin. You betcha, bring her on. The sooner we can assist the full blown meltdown of the US government, the sooner we can start over.

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By: DaGoat http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249340 DaGoat Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:02:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249340 Is the title a trick question? Obama never provided leadership on the health care issue. He laid out ground rules that were almost impossible to follow then left the House and Senate on their own. He did make some speeches initially but there was never much guidance from the White House, or if there was it was it was all behind the scenes. He let the public option become a primary issue for progressives without taking a stance on it himself.

The guy's inexperience and lack of leadership showed from day one. For a smart guy he acted pretty dumb.

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By: dduck12 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249317 dduck12 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:06:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249317 Come on the Moderate big tent, corset wearer.

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By: Schadenfreude_lives http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249314 Schadenfreude_lives Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:44:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249314

Trolls intentionally try to rile people and simplify or make uglier their expressions in order to do so…A troll's statement is designed only to be affronting to certain people

Sounds like a perfect description of you, at least to me.

Trolls don't have to be lying – they just need to be posting with no real purpose but to be offensive in their statements, and to try and get emotional reactions instead of civil dialog.

You confirmed what I suspected was true about you, and have consistently posted the vast majority of you thoughts with as many insult and degrading comments as possible to those who do not agree with you. So yes, you are a troll, IMHO.

More power to you, and have all the fun you want trying to rile people up. I am done with you, unless you change. Others can decide for themselves if it is worthwhile to try and have a dialog with you.

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249302 Axel Kaspar Edgren Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:11:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249302 Trolls intentionally try to rile people and simplify or make uglier their expressions in order to do so.

I am merely honest and often provide an outline of my path of thinking, and it's completely up to others to decide whether I am at fault, or you.

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249300 Axel Kaspar Edgren Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:09:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249300 A person who once was in prison claiming innocence and unfair treatment.

Let me just valiantly try to scoop my lower jaw of the floor before I respond.

ANECDOTES. LET US ALL SPEAK IN ANECDOTES.

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By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249297 DLS Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:04:24 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249297 “There are people I have met here in America that spent years in Swedish prisons because they didn't disclose EVERYTHING about their business.”

Two words: “President Cuomo”

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By: Schadenfreude_lives http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249294 Schadenfreude_lives Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:54:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249294 Thank you. Now I think I know why you are such an angry, bitter person, lashing out at things that have absolutely no meaning for you, and that you have no direct experience with.

You are one of these:

http://www.thetrollscove.com/ProdImages/Doll%20

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By: dduck12 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249290 dduck12 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:45:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249290 We're much more boring than you, which is such a blessing.”

But sometimes it isn't much of a blessing to those listening to some of your more convoluted rantings.
(Although, kernels of truth do filter through sometimes when the smoke clears.)

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By: vey9 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249288 vey9 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:42:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249288 There are people I have met here in America that spent years in Swedish prisons because they didn't disclose EVERYTHING about their business.

Don't you think that is a bit unfair?

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249286 Axel Kaspar Edgren Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:36:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249286 The parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy of Sweden, of course.

We're much more boring than you, whicht is such a blessing.

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By: vey9 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249285 vey9 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:36:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249285 Sometimes it takes an outsider to make things plain.
I like to listen to the BBC Americana and BBC Documentaries radio shows about America on BBC Radio 4.
There, you will hear American people trying to explain the insanity to outsiders,
It's a hoot.

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By: DaMav http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249277 DaMav Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:27:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249277 Later, we find out that both the donkey and elephant sold the damsel to the dragon in the first place.
don't give away the plot. We don't find that out until the 4th panel ;-)

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By: Schadenfreude_lives http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249276 Schadenfreude_lives Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:23:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249276 And what country are you a citizen of, if you don't mind me asking?

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249272 Axel Kaspar Edgren Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:08:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249272 Never lived, never will.

And I still know more about what ails your country and what is best for it.

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By: Schadenfreude_lives http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249264 Schadenfreude_lives Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:53:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249264 Axel -

You commented a while ago about at one time having considering moving to America, but decided not to. So it seems you may never have lived in America at all. Is that true? And are you even an American citizen?

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By: Father_Time http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249263 Father_Time Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:52:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249263 Who cares about Canada? I like Germany’s healthcare system.

As for fiscal discipline, taxes MUST go up big time to pay for the massive debt the republicans put us under. No budget cutting will ever make a dent in that debt, none. Be like urinating in the ocean to raise the level. Won't happen.

Taxes…..UP PLEASE!

Socialized Medicine…..NOW!

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By: daveinboca http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249261 daveinboca Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:46:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249261 The Canadian Premier of Newfoundland/Labrador was obviously conned into visiting the USA for his heart condition by those crafty Republicans. You know, the clever ones that Joe Klein and Anne Quindlen blame for tricking the dumb American people for wanting fiscal discipline instead of ginormous bureaucratically inert Health Care System that makes you wait in line for months—you know, just like in Canada!!!

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By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249260 DLS Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:43:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249260 Brown has been seated in the Senate, so waiting for him to be seated (to be “congenial”) is no longer an excuse. (This was never an excuse for the House of Representatives.)

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By: vey9 http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249257 vey9 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:39:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249257 Whatever we end up with now will be worse than what we started with.
It will cost the people and the government more than it is worth.
Obama extended the VA benefits to all veterans, a system I will soon be using.

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By: ProfElwood http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249251 ProfElwood Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:25:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249251 Later, we find out that both the donkey and elephant sold the damsel to the dragon in the first place.

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249248 Axel Kaspar Edgren Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:24:07 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249248 Then 45000 people in the damsel's kingdom die because of HC system related flaws that could be solved. Many more file for bankruptcy. The damsel has to pay for all of that in the end with a weaker economy – that's what she gets for kicking the can down the road, the lazy chit.

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By: DaMav http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249242 DaMav Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:12:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249242 Does the Democrat leadership have even a clue about what they are doing? It's become increasingly doubtful.

The cartoon is hilarious. In the next pane, the damsel jumps out of the dragon's mouth, kisses the elephant gratefully, and votes it into office while the “Progressive” dragon devours itself. The donkey head is left hanging on a tree as a warning to any who would sell damsels to dragons.

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By: Axel Kaspar Edgren http://themoderatevoice.com/61574/is-obamas-leadership-now-lacking-in-health-care-reform-push/comment-page-1/#comment-249241 Axel Kaspar Edgren Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:11:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=61574#comment-249241 SO: Either stand by the bill twice (letting republicans call you a socialist), thus seizing a once-in-a-generation chance to get a HC bill that *only* has been tainted by some left-wing corporatists (you take what you get) and save thousands from unnecessary deaths and tens of thousands from bankruptcies… Or stand by the bill once (letting republicans call you a socialist) and hope that this impresses the holy independents to the point where this counter-weighs the disgust and apathy of democrat voters.

I think the answer is pretty clear, but then again my career doesn't depend on lobbyists… Wait a second, not even the lobbyists can save them from the apathy of the base!

So I guess it's just out of the magnanimity of their hearts that the blue dogs and Stupak's little god-botherers stand against the socialism and far-leftism of the evil reform bill in the end. Yeah, they'll sure be rewarded for that by people like DaMav or DLS, right?

I think the worrywart democrats have cancer of the soul. There can be no other explanation.

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