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		<title>By: Sethsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sethsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your version will be mailed to you in a month.&quot; Doesn,t say anything what your version is? In other words Obama should get in touch with the people more about what they want from his healthcare plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Thats where transparency comes in,I think he related something to that effect in his first &#039;State if the Union address&#039; when he said that it will be available on his government web page all the changes including the names involved .. but &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;my ears perked up when I heard him say that *definitely* the troops will all be coming home from Iraq in August of this year, and he made it sound like regardless  the deadline is &#039;set&#039; for that date! that would clear more money for his other agendas in his energy jobs etc..sounds promising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your version will be mailed to you in a month.&#8221; Doesn,t say anything what your version is? In other words Obama should get in touch with the people more about what they want from his healthcare plan.</p>
<p> Thats where transparency comes in,I think he related something to that effect in his first &#39;State if the Union address&#39; when he said that it will be available on his government web page all the changes including the names involved .. but </p>
<p>my ears perked up when I heard him say that *definitely* the troops will all be coming home from Iraq in August of this year, and he made it sound like regardless  the deadline is &#39;set&#39; for that date! that would clear more money for his other agendas in his energy jobs etc..sounds promising.</p>
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		<title>By: christinewithregence</title>
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		<dc:creator>christinewithregence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama &quot;should work to strengthen its ability to control health care costs.&quot; But what can he do about a system that runs like in this video:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whatstherealcost.org/45secondstoshare&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.whatstherealcost.org/45secondstoshare&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama &#8220;should work to strengthen its ability to control health care costs.&#8221; But what can he do about a system that runs like in this video:<br /><a href="http://www.whatstherealcost.org/45secondstoshare" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatstherealcost.org/45secondstoshare</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sethsay</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/60555/guest-contributor-discipline-government-too/comment-page-1/#comment-246585</link>
		<dc:creator>Sethsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today on the radio I briefly caught the news about Obama going to create a commission to study and research  &#039;bioterroism&#039;  To his way of thinking this is a new threat that could effect large masses, the price tag being billions set aside to fnd ways of a better antidote than antrax for such future threat after evalution or info being studied.  Possibility or leaks or ears to the ground be some reason for this sceneral?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I heard the commentator say in conclusion that it was turned down because of the billions it would take to develope bio antidotes to counter. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to me to institute these commissions is a mistake by some who say &#039;more big government&#039; and its spending , growing to speculate  takes time and money we don,t have when we are talking about raising the ceiling again to more deficit trillions that would be needed to run the countryi n this year alone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But by collectively investing power in any institution, we risk creating an institution whose power cannot be taken away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on the radio I briefly caught the news about Obama going to create a commission to study and research  &#39;bioterroism&#39;  To his way of thinking this is a new threat that could effect large masses, the price tag being billions set aside to fnd ways of a better antidote than antrax for such future threat after evalution or info being studied.  Possibility or leaks or ears to the ground be some reason for this sceneral?</p>
<p>I heard the commentator say in conclusion that it was turned down because of the billions it would take to develope bio antidotes to counter. </p>
<p>It seems to me to institute these commissions is a mistake by some who say &#39;more big government&#39; and its spending , growing to speculate  takes time and money we don,t have when we are talking about raising the ceiling again to more deficit trillions that would be needed to run the countryi n this year alone.</p>
<p>But by collectively investing power in any institution, we risk creating an institution whose power cannot be taken away.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention (Guest Contributor): Discipline Government, Too! &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/60555/guest-contributor-discipline-government-too/comment-page-1/#comment-246540</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention (Guest Contributor): Discipline Government, Too! &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by TMV, In Government. In Government said: (Guest Contributor): Discipline Government, Too... http://bit.ly/920pf3 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by TMV, In Government. In Government said: (Guest Contributor): Discipline Government, Too&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/920pf3" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/920pf3</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/60555/guest-contributor-discipline-government-too/comment-page-1/#comment-246424</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect -- and grow and grow.  That remains the Dems&#039; way, and the Left, especially the far left, doesn&#039;t criticize it for offering More, but because it&#039;s Never Enough.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at their illogical but predictable reaction to the &quot;spending freeze&quot; gimmick: Disappointment, unhappiness, anger, outrage.  They want huge new taxes, now, and far greater spending (the problem to date has been Not Enough, just as the federal government hasn&#039;t taken over health care yet, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect &#8212; and grow and grow.  That remains the Dems&#39; way, and the Left, especially the far left, doesn&#39;t criticize it for offering More, but because it&#39;s Never Enough.</p>
<p>Look at their illogical but predictable reaction to the &#8220;spending freeze&#8221; gimmick: Disappointment, unhappiness, anger, outrage.  They want huge new taxes, now, and far greater spending (the problem to date has been Not Enough, just as the federal government hasn&#39;t taken over health care yet, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: spirasol</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirasol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strictly adhering to the contents of the is article, I don&#039;t have much to say.  But on the larger issue of rising deficits, cutting expenditures, Kathy K at tmv comments on Greenwald&#039;s article about the same.  Apparently all this cutting back leaves off the table the military and security, which is nearly 50% of the budget.  Apparently Greenwald makes it plain that cutting back on the military is taboo. Why? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Humorously, if we can&#039;t trim the military budget, maybe we all ought to join the military.  It certainly seems the military is the solution to so many things these days.  Some of us may have forgotten how to joust but the socialized comfort of it all may be attractive to some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly adhering to the contents of the is article, I don&#39;t have much to say.  But on the larger issue of rising deficits, cutting expenditures, Kathy K at tmv comments on Greenwald&#39;s article about the same.  Apparently all this cutting back leaves off the table the military and security, which is nearly 50% of the budget.  Apparently Greenwald makes it plain that cutting back on the military is taboo. Why? </p>
<p>Humorously, if we can&#39;t trim the military budget, maybe we all ought to join the military.  It certainly seems the military is the solution to so many things these days.  Some of us may have forgotten how to joust but the socialized comfort of it all may be attractive to some.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democratic Party can only be a big tent party as long as it passes out large amounts of money. If taxes were raised, the left would surely find new programs to spend every penny of the increased revenues.  Just look at the deep blue states and their fiscal problems to see that increasing taxes is not the answer.  The other problem is that special interest will punish any politician who proposes let alone makes any budget cuts. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Neither party has the leader to fix the fiscal problems and the supporters of open borders, dumber schools, and destroying the private sector are not going to help the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democratic Party can only be a big tent party as long as it passes out large amounts of money. If taxes were raised, the left would surely find new programs to spend every penny of the increased revenues.  Just look at the deep blue states and their fiscal problems to see that increasing taxes is not the answer.  The other problem is that special interest will punish any politician who proposes let alone makes any budget cuts. </p>
<p>Neither party has the leader to fix the fiscal problems and the supporters of open borders, dumber schools, and destroying the private sector are not going to help the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only two true commodities in this current world are blood and money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only two true commodities in this current world are blood and money.</p>
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		<title>By: Auto Insurance Washington - State of the Union is Obama&#8217;s Chance to Reset His Presidency - US News and World Report &#171; Auto Insurance Washington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Auto Insurance Washington - State of the Union is Obama&#8217;s Chance to Reset His Presidency - US News and World Report &#171; Auto Insurance Washington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Guest Contributor): Discipline Government, Too! - The Moderate Voice last week’s shocker in Massachusetts, the White House has amped up the populist rhetoric in hopes of deflecting voter anger onto Wall Street bonus babies and health insurance feckless bankers, home owners and auto executives, to stimulus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Guest Contributor): Discipline Government, Too! &#8211; The Moderate Voice last week’s shocker in Massachusetts, the White House has amped up the populist rhetoric in hopes of deflecting voter anger onto Wall Street bonus babies and health insurance feckless bankers, home owners and auto executives, to stimulus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/60555/guest-contributor-discipline-government-too/comment-page-1/#comment-246279</link>
		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the Seductress speaks.  &quot;Good is doubly possible&quot;.  And the Sorceress, who is one and the same Esmeralda, bewitches you into believing.  Her gown flows and the soft voice caresses you.  But, there is lightning in her eyes, dangerous and enticing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is truth about her.  Steel does sharpen steel, and clashing steel begets the offspring of bloodlust.  You are correct, wise nymph.  We must teach until they listen.  Wisdom is more powerful than steel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the Seductress speaks.  &#8220;Good is doubly possible&#8221;.  And the Sorceress, who is one and the same Esmeralda, bewitches you into believing.  Her gown flows and the soft voice caresses you.  But, there is lightning in her eyes, dangerous and enticing.</p>
<p>There is truth about her.  Steel does sharpen steel, and clashing steel begets the offspring of bloodlust.  You are correct, wise nymph.  We must teach until they listen.  Wisdom is more powerful than steel.</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steel sharpens Steel, Z. Anything bad is probable, anything good is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steel sharpens Steel, Z. Anything bad is probable, anything good is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esmeralda prophecizes, &quot;better suited for sports, a two hour contest at the most. The outcomes matter for a while, but then, on to the next joust, and the next. Meanwhile, at least where most of us live, we&#039;re running out of cake, and the wheat silos are near empty and the farmers have not enough money to buy seed for winter wheat. Just like Carthage.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well put, dear friend and co-conspirator.  And, when the cakes are gone and the silos are empty of wheat and the farmers plant no more, war and insurrection follow, and like the Carthagenians there are only rats lefts to eat...if you can catch one.  You and I have eaten our share, but we were more nimble than most and didn&#039;t mind the smell so much.  But, there was misery in the streets.  The accumulators, fallen in disbelief and now dressed in rags, could still not understand that their greed had brought poverty to the masses whose consumption fueled their wealth.  And the hangers-on, who once relied on the benevolence of others, huddled in the corners unbelieving that the free cakes were no longer given out at the corner store to all who craved sugar and frosting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They lay, instead beside each other, one once rich, the other once expectant, with nothing left to take and nothing left to give and nothing left to hope for.  And, then they were one, not joined in purpose, but joined instead with solemn, quizzicle eyes, slaked lips, wondering what happened, what went wrong, and who, other than they, could be responsible for letting it happen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you remember the flash of silver from the revolutionaries?  The chants from the armies of the powerful, still unmindful of their losses?  The smell of decay in the streets?  We fought on, and now we fight again, old friend.  We learned in Carthage.  Now it is our lot to teach and search for students who will listen.  Is it time to loose the steel?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Z of C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esmeralda prophecizes, &#8220;better suited for sports, a two hour contest at the most. The outcomes matter for a while, but then, on to the next joust, and the next. Meanwhile, at least where most of us live, we&#39;re running out of cake, and the wheat silos are near empty and the farmers have not enough money to buy seed for winter wheat. Just like Carthage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well put, dear friend and co-conspirator.  And, when the cakes are gone and the silos are empty of wheat and the farmers plant no more, war and insurrection follow, and like the Carthagenians there are only rats lefts to eat&#8230;if you can catch one.  You and I have eaten our share, but we were more nimble than most and didn&#39;t mind the smell so much.  But, there was misery in the streets.  The accumulators, fallen in disbelief and now dressed in rags, could still not understand that their greed had brought poverty to the masses whose consumption fueled their wealth.  And the hangers-on, who once relied on the benevolence of others, huddled in the corners unbelieving that the free cakes were no longer given out at the corner store to all who craved sugar and frosting.</p>
<p>They lay, instead beside each other, one once rich, the other once expectant, with nothing left to take and nothing left to give and nothing left to hope for.  And, then they were one, not joined in purpose, but joined instead with solemn, quizzicle eyes, slaked lips, wondering what happened, what went wrong, and who, other than they, could be responsible for letting it happen.</p>
<p>Do you remember the flash of silver from the revolutionaries?  The chants from the armies of the powerful, still unmindful of their losses?  The smell of decay in the streets?  We fought on, and now we fight again, old friend.  We learned in Carthage.  Now it is our lot to teach and search for students who will listen.  Is it time to loose the steel?</p>
<p>Z of C</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi there tidbits, nice to see you again&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the disclaimer is pro forma. I liked the reference in this article&#039;s to brinksmanship . I wonder if process in Congress right now, in terms of &#039;getting things done,&#039; is better suited for sports, a two hour contest at the most. The outcomes matter for a while, but then, on to the next joust, and the next. Meanwhile, at least where most of us live, we&#039;re running out of cake, and the wheat silos are near empty and the farmers have not enough money to buy seed for winter wheat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there tidbits, nice to see you again</p>
<p>the disclaimer is pro forma. I liked the reference in this article&#39;s to brinksmanship . I wonder if process in Congress right now, in terms of &#39;getting things done,&#39; is better suited for sports, a two hour contest at the most. The outcomes matter for a while, but then, on to the next joust, and the next. Meanwhile, at least where most of us live, we&#39;re running out of cake, and the wheat silos are near empty and the farmers have not enough money to buy seed for winter wheat.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So there we are: the left won’t cut spending, the right won’t raise taxes, and the two remain locked in a tacit conspiracy to bankrupt America.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That pretty much encapsulates it.  Both sides would rather bankrupt the country then compromise in a bipartisan effort to do what&#039;s necessary.  Bankrupting the nation will neither enhance the tax-obsessed right or achieve the social goals of the left.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These may not be the views of TMV or its editorial staff (sorry about the comment on the disclaimer), but Mr. Marshall hits pretty close to home.  Both sides need to give, and an independent commission may be the way to get there.  Tell the D&#039;s and R&#039;s to get over it and get on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So there we are: the left won’t cut spending, the right won’t raise taxes, and the two remain locked in a tacit conspiracy to bankrupt America.&#8221;</p>
<p>That pretty much encapsulates it.  Both sides would rather bankrupt the country then compromise in a bipartisan effort to do what&#39;s necessary.  Bankrupting the nation will neither enhance the tax-obsessed right or achieve the social goals of the left.</p>
<p>These may not be the views of TMV or its editorial staff (sorry about the comment on the disclaimer), but Mr. Marshall hits pretty close to home.  Both sides need to give, and an independent commission may be the way to get there.  Tell the D&#39;s and R&#39;s to get over it and get on board.</p>
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