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I'm pretty flexible on economic matters and a neurologically incapable of rationalizing bigotry or anti-secular silliness, so unfortunately I can't really respect anyone who would vote for Romney or Huckabee. I might as well punch a child or steal a bike instead of vote for someone who wants to keep gays unequal or wants to make abortions illegal from conception and onwards. I respect the personal spheres and equality of all my fellow men – people who think religious ideas about *zygotes* should transcend the rights of women or who think gays can't form families or join the army are therefore instantly indefensible. But in America, of course, having the right to vote away the dignity and birthrights of others is seen as a triumph of democracy rather than a parody of it. It's almost as if today's America is some sort of dadaist installation.
Obama wouldn't try to stop it if it came down to it, and I don't think he thinks gay people don't deserve all the perks that come with actual marriage. Civil unions are a step forward but they don't give the same status or boons, so it's a rejection of the humanity and citizenship of gay couples. I don't think gays should get married in church either, but that's because I think the entire ceremony is lame and completely devoid of meaning and weight.
Getting close to? I think it shows Huckabee passed obama.
Anyhow, rasmussen had Obama and Romney tied at 45% already. They choose likely voters and not just anyone and had the most accurate election polling of both the 2006 and 2008 elections.
Palin's only 8 points behind and she isn't even running, lol. Time for another hit piece from Andy Sully demanding she prove maternity. Or maybe more 'inside stories' about how she's filing for divorce Any Day Now.
Yes, DaMav, Sullivan criticizes Palin so much because she hasn't proved maternity (you know, seeing as she thought Obama's birth certificate was a legitimate inquiry, her hypocrisy is astounding even for her) or because he enjoys rumor-mongering about her personal affairs. It's not as if he has documented her continuous lying, partisan attacks, populism or belligerent, regal attitude towards dissent and journalistic questioning.
Do you actually read the blogs of the people you lambast, or do you just take to heart the little hectoring morsels your instapundit twitter feed deposit? *Think* *more*.
Yes, DaMav, Sullivan criticizes Palin so much just because she hasn't proved maternity (you know, seeing as she thought Obama's birth certificate was a legitimate inquiry, her hypocrisy is astounding even for her)
I see no reason to take either the Obama birthers or the Trig truthers seriously, and that includes Andrew Sullivan.
When there are reasons to doubt and question, doubt and question. Find me a democrat woman whose story of pregnancy and delivery is at least quirky as far as those stories go, and who can't procure a birth certificate, and then we'll talk.
Why jump into politics and wave your baby about like an accessory while raising issues about your opponent's birth certificate, when you can't offer up the one for your baby?
This is all beside the point – if Trig's birth was the one thing she lied about it would be forgivable. But she lies like a frigging mythomaniac, and that's a problem, whether she is a “conservative woman” or not.
Please drop the whole identity politics and “you can't tolerate conservative women” BS. It's transparent.
Well, you and DaMav, can get your DNA kits out, a REAL woman is coming down the pike. It is rumored that Hilary will do a Spector/Lieberman and show the Dems what it takes to run a country in 2012.
Isn't it just a tad bit early to be polling on the presidential election? Call me old-fashioned, but I like waiting until there are actual candidates first.
Now that's an interesting scenario. Unlikely but certainly interesting.
More likely is that she challenges Obama and America is guaranteed a woman as President in 2012. I'm good with that. We could do worse. In fact, we already have.
I agree completely. At this point in time both “birther” groups are baying at the moon. Only one of them, however, is regularly published in The Atlantic.
America hasn't been fully introduced to Huckabee. When people find out how social conservative he is they will run for the hills.
Nice guy…but very far right socially and not exactly strong on economics. Romney is their best candidate right now. Why anyone cares that he is Mormon is beyond me.
I've tentatively predicted before (ProfElwood's caution noted) that Obama will not win a second term, but as I look at the old batch of Republican primary candidates, I just can't imagine that the electorate will not be turned off by a replay of the 08 primaries, despite what the current polls are showing. I think the republicans need a fresh face to challenge Obama. Someone who doesn't have strong ties to the Republican establishment. Someone who can bring in the tea party people without overdoing the rhetoric and turning off moderates. But (and here's the trick) someone who has some name recognition.
I'm pretty flexible on economic matters and a neurologically incapable of rationalizing bigotry or anti-secular silliness, so unfortunately I can't really respect anyone who would vote for Romney or Huckabee. I might as well punch a child or steal a bike instead of vote for someone who wants to keep gays unequal or wants to make abortions illegal from conception and onwards. I respect the personal spheres and equality of all my fellow men – people who think religious ideas about *zygotes* should transcend the rights of women or who think gays can't form families or join the army are therefore instantly indefensible. But in America, of course, having the right to vote away the dignity and birthrights of others is seen as a triumph of democracy rather than a parody of it. It's almost as if today's America is some sort of dadaist installation.
I might as well punch a child or steal a bike instead of vote for someone who wants to keep gays unequal
Obama, Huckabee and Romney are all publicly against gay marriage as far as I know.
Obama wouldn't try to stop it if it came down to it, and I don't think he thinks gay people don't deserve all the perks that come with actual marriage. Civil unions are a step forward but they don't give the same status or boons, so it's a rejection of the humanity and citizenship of gay couples. I don't think gays should get married in church either, but that's because I think the entire ceremony is lame and completely devoid of meaning and weight.
Obama won't legislate it, but he also hasn't touched the issue all year…so it is a bit hard to defend him on the issue.
Getting close to? I think it shows Huckabee passed obama.
Anyhow, rasmussen had Obama and Romney tied at 45% already. They choose likely voters and not just anyone and had the most accurate election polling of both the 2006 and 2008 elections.
Palin's only 8 points behind and she isn't even running, lol. Time for another hit piece from Andy Sully demanding she prove maternity. Or maybe more 'inside stories' about how she's filing for divorce Any Day Now.
Yes, DaMav, Sullivan criticizes Palin so much because she hasn't proved maternity (you know, seeing as she thought Obama's birth certificate was a legitimate inquiry, her hypocrisy is astounding even for her) or because he enjoys rumor-mongering about her personal affairs. It's not as if he has documented her continuous lying, partisan attacks, populism or belligerent, regal attitude towards dissent and journalistic questioning.
Do you actually read the blogs of the people you lambast, or do you just take to heart the little hectoring morsels your instapundit twitter feed deposit? *Think* *more*.
Do you think all women in politics should have to take dna tests to prove they gave birth to their children, or just conservative women?
Yes, DaMav, Sullivan criticizes Palin so much just because she hasn't proved maternity (you know, seeing as she thought Obama's birth certificate was a legitimate inquiry, her hypocrisy is astounding even for her)
I see no reason to take either the Obama birthers or the Trig truthers seriously, and that includes Andrew Sullivan.
When there are reasons to doubt and question, doubt and question. Find me a democrat woman whose story of pregnancy and delivery is at least quirky as far as those stories go, and who can't procure a birth certificate, and then we'll talk.
Why jump into politics and wave your baby about like an accessory while raising issues about your opponent's birth certificate, when you can't offer up the one for your baby?
This is all beside the point – if Trig's birth was the one thing she lied about it would be forgivable. But she lies like a frigging mythomaniac, and that's a problem, whether she is a “conservative woman” or not.
Please drop the whole identity politics and “you can't tolerate conservative women” BS. It's transparent.
Well, you and DaMav, can get your DNA kits out, a REAL woman is coming down the pike. It is rumored that Hilary will do a Spector/Lieberman and show the Dems what it takes to run a country in 2012.
Isn't it just a tad bit early to be polling on the presidential election? Call me old-fashioned, but I like waiting until there are actual candidates first.
Now that's an interesting scenario. Unlikely but certainly interesting.
More likely is that she challenges Obama and America is guaranteed a woman as President in 2012. I'm good with that. We could do worse. In fact, we already have.
It's transparent.
Do you think all women in politics who appear with their children are 'waving their babies around like an accessory' or just conservative women?
your position is transparent.
I agree completely. At this point in time both “birther” groups are baying at the moon. Only one of them, however, is regularly published in The Atlantic.
Unlikely but certainly interesting.”
Thank you, I am getting delusional again. Have to read some NYT editorials to get my reality bearings back again.
Mike Huckabee isn't “getting close” — he is there — beating Obama 45-55.
Romney is close — trailing Obama 44-42.
I think if we try very, very hard, we can actually get our facts straight.
heh, denial is a feature here, not a bug
America hasn't been fully introduced to Huckabee. When people find out how social conservative he is they will run for the hills.
Nice guy…but very far right socially and not exactly strong on economics. Romney is their best candidate right now. Why anyone cares that he is Mormon is beyond me.
I've tentatively predicted before (ProfElwood's caution noted) that Obama will not win a second term, but as I look at the old batch of Republican primary candidates, I just can't imagine that the electorate will not be turned off by a replay of the 08 primaries, despite what the current polls are showing. I think the republicans need a fresh face to challenge Obama. Someone who doesn't have strong ties to the Republican establishment. Someone who can bring in the tea party people without overdoing the rhetoric and turning off moderates. But (and here's the trick) someone who has some name recognition.
Scott Brown?