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		<title>By: ordinarysparrow</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/58052/interview-with-a-vegan-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-241153</link>
		<dc:creator>ordinarysparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting link to reflect upon. . . Does  scientific information  such as this change our treatment to other species?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolphins-are-wise-treat-them-nice-say-scientists.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolp...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolphins-are-smarter-than-chimps-deserve-better-respect-scientists.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolp...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting link to reflect upon. . . Does  scientific information  such as this change our treatment to other species?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolphins-are-wise-treat-them-nice-say-scientists.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolp&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolphins-are-smarter-than-chimps-deserve-better-respect-scientists.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20100105/dolp&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vegatarian diets carry  all the amino acids in their protein structures of legumes and grains etc. The issue is Vit b12 which needs supplementation. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From the Mayo Clinic.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The vegetarian menu emphasizes the food that U.S. dietary guidelines say all Americans should eat regularly — fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans and other legumes. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vegetarian diets often are lower in calories than the typical American diet. So it&#039;s no surprise that on average, vegetarians are thinner than their nonvegetarian peers. And eating a mainly plant-based diet can reduce the risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The increasing variety of meat-free options makes the transition to vegetarian easier than ever before. With a little planning, a vegetarian diet can meet all nutritional needs. Important nutrients to include are:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Protein: Eggs, dairy products, soy products, legumes, lentils, nuts, seeds and whole grains fill this important role. Meatless products such as tofu dogs, soy burgers and texturized vegetable protein can be excellent sources of protein. Many meat substitutes, such as tofu and tempeh, are made from soybeans. Soy offers a balance of all essential amino acids, just as meat does. These meat substitutes often are lower in calories and saturated fat than meat.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Calcium: Low-fat dairy and dark green vegetables such as collard greens, kale and broccoli are good sources of calcium. Tofu enriched with calcium and fortified yogurt and juices also are options.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vitamin B-12: This is found almost exclusively in animal products including milk, eggs and cheese. Vegans — those who eat only plant-based foods — can get B-12 from enriched cereals, fortified soy products or by taking a supplement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Iron: Dried beans and peas, lentils, enriched cereals, whole-grain products, baked potatoes with skin, dark leafy vegetables and dried fruit are good sources of iron. Eating foods high in vitamin C (strawberries, citrus fruits) along with iron-rich foods can help increase iron absorption.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Zinc: Zinc is found in whole grains, soy products, legumes, nuts, wheat germ, mushrooms and peas. It&#039;s also found in dairy foods and eggs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;###&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mayo Clinic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegatarian diets carry  all the amino acids in their protein structures of legumes and grains etc. The issue is Vit b12 which needs supplementation. </p>
<p>From the Mayo Clinic&#8230;. </p>
<p>The vegetarian menu emphasizes the food that U.S. dietary guidelines say all Americans should eat regularly — fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans and other legumes. </p>
<p>Vegetarian diets often are lower in calories than the typical American diet. So it&#39;s no surprise that on average, vegetarians are thinner than their nonvegetarian peers. And eating a mainly plant-based diet can reduce the risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer.</p>
<p>The increasing variety of meat-free options makes the transition to vegetarian easier than ever before. With a little planning, a vegetarian diet can meet all nutritional needs. Important nutrients to include are:</p>
<p>Protein: Eggs, dairy products, soy products, legumes, lentils, nuts, seeds and whole grains fill this important role. Meatless products such as tofu dogs, soy burgers and texturized vegetable protein can be excellent sources of protein. Many meat substitutes, such as tofu and tempeh, are made from soybeans. Soy offers a balance of all essential amino acids, just as meat does. These meat substitutes often are lower in calories and saturated fat than meat.</p>
<p>Calcium: Low-fat dairy and dark green vegetables such as collard greens, kale and broccoli are good sources of calcium. Tofu enriched with calcium and fortified yogurt and juices also are options.</p>
<p>Vitamin B-12: This is found almost exclusively in animal products including milk, eggs and cheese. Vegans — those who eat only plant-based foods — can get B-12 from enriched cereals, fortified soy products or by taking a supplement.</p>
<p>Iron: Dried beans and peas, lentils, enriched cereals, whole-grain products, baked potatoes with skin, dark leafy vegetables and dried fruit are good sources of iron. Eating foods high in vitamin C (strawberries, citrus fruits) along with iron-rich foods can help increase iron absorption.</p>
<p>Zinc: Zinc is found in whole grains, soy products, legumes, nuts, wheat germ, mushrooms and peas. It&#39;s also found in dairy foods and eggs.</p>
<p>###</p>
<p>Mayo Clinic</p>
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		<title>By: sortaRepublican</title>
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		<dc:creator>sortaRepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meat has 12 necessary amino acids in protein.&lt;br&gt;Vegetables have only 1-3 necessary amino acids.&lt;br&gt;Humans have sharp front teeth for eating meat. It&#039;s part of our evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meat has 12 necessary amino acids in protein.<br />Vegetables have only 1-3 necessary amino acids.<br />Humans have sharp front teeth for eating meat. It&#39;s part of our evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good man.</description>
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		<title>By: jccorcoran</title>
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		<dc:creator>jccorcoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren’t humans amazing Animals? They kill wildlife - birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them.  This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - - health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions of more animals to look for cures for these diseases.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for &quot;Peace on Earth.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;	&lt;br&gt;~Revised Preface to Old MacDonald’s Factory Farm by C. David Coates~&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Check out this informative and inspiring video on why people choose vegan: &lt;a href=&quot;http://veganvideo.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://veganvideo.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also see Gary Yourofsky: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagt5L9wXGo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagt5L9wXGo&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren’t humans amazing Animals? They kill wildlife &#8211; birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed.</p>
<p>Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them.  This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative &#8211; and fatal &#8211; - health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer.</p>
<p>So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions of more animals to look for cures for these diseases.</p>
<p>Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for &#8220;Peace on Earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>~Revised Preface to Old MacDonald’s Factory Farm by C. David Coates~</p>
<p>Check out this informative and inspiring video on why people choose vegan: <a href="http://veganvideo.org/" rel="nofollow">http://veganvideo.org/</a></p>
<p>Also see Gary Yourofsky: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagt5L9wXGo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagt5L9wXGo</a></p>
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		<title>By: ProfElwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfElwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ve got a freezer full of neatly packaged pieces of grass-fed cow. This just happens to be a subject that I don&#039;t mind being a little hypocritical on. Besides, I&#039;m just doing it for my kids, yeah, that&#039;s it, the kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#39;ve got a freezer full of neatly packaged pieces of grass-fed cow. This just happens to be a subject that I don&#39;t mind being a little hypocritical on. Besides, I&#39;m just doing it for my kids, yeah, that&#39;s it, the kids!</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...the evidence seems to be that meat, like milk, is a need we eventually outgrow]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Could be, but it just tastes so GOOD!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...maybe just a little less meat because I have to pu at &quot;nix that&quot; on the &quot;no meat&quot;. I do like schnitzel, and, veal is required, so that little calf will just have to be killed, cut up, and, cooked.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;yum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...the evidence seems to be that meat, like milk, is a need we eventually outgrow]</p>
<p>Could be, but it just tastes so GOOD!</p>
<p>&#8230;maybe just a little less meat because I have to pu at &#8220;nix that&#8221; on the &#8220;no meat&#8221;. I do like schnitzel, and, veal is required, so that little calf will just have to be killed, cut up, and, cooked.</p>
<p>yum</p>
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		<title>By: ProfElwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfElwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was growing up in Missouri, an experimental vegan community, called Moniteau farms, started up nearby. Since my dad is a preacher, he got to know many people in the community and their way of life. In general, they seemed to be very healthy group, although I&#039;m sure their somewhat primitive way of life helped with that. However, a few confessed that they had to feed their children meat when it became apparent that the vegetable protein just didn&#039;t seem to be enough. I&#039;ve also had several older people tell me that getting rid of meat just made them feel a lot better. I have no scientific evidence to back my hunch, but the evidence seems to be that meat, like milk, is a need we eventually outgrow.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up in Missouri, an experimental vegan community, called Moniteau farms, started up nearby. Since my dad is a preacher, he got to know many people in the community and their way of life. In general, they seemed to be very healthy group, although I&#39;m sure their somewhat primitive way of life helped with that. However, a few confessed that they had to feed their children meat when it became apparent that the vegetable protein just didn&#39;t seem to be enough. I&#39;ve also had several older people tell me that getting rid of meat just made them feel a lot better. I have no scientific evidence to back my hunch, but the evidence seems to be that meat, like milk, is a need we eventually outgrow.</p>
<p>Just food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Sethsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sethsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry archangel, you are right, it was Abraham, and here I listen to my bible almost nightly on tape.&lt;br&gt;my girlfriend suggested I read the bible instead of the audio tapes..perhaps she has a point!&lt;br&gt;About the space return bar, I just type and let the computer space otherwise ,might keep that in mind&lt;br&gt;;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry archangel, you are right, it was Abraham, and here I listen to my bible almost nightly on tape.<br />my girlfriend suggested I read the bible instead of the audio tapes..perhaps she has a point!<br />About the space return bar, I just type and let the computer space otherwise ,might keep that in mind<br /> <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by TMV: Interview With A Vegan, Part Two: ?</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there sethsay, I just changed one word; Jacob to Abraham. Happy new year&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there sethsay, I just changed one word; Jacob to Abraham. Happy new year</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparrow,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As always, you instruct and inspire me.  I confess that I am one who has at times allowed the messenger to get in the way of the message.  It would be tempting to delete the first sentence of my prior comment, but perhaps its shallowness may prove useful in your point being brought home, and I wilI therefore allow it to stand.  Fortunately, there are many messengers, and you are one.  On your recommendation I will, though of the wrong gender, read Intimate Nature.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Following up on something Merkin said earlier today, this may be one of those issues where we divert from the fundamental discussion and get side tracked on the tangential, in this case how the message is delivered.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It has been a day of learning and thinking.  Thank you for your contribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS - I promise to tell no one that you confessed to stealing the horse.  :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;tidbits</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparrow,</p>
<p>As always, you instruct and inspire me.  I confess that I am one who has at times allowed the messenger to get in the way of the message.  It would be tempting to delete the first sentence of my prior comment, but perhaps its shallowness may prove useful in your point being brought home, and I wilI therefore allow it to stand.  Fortunately, there are many messengers, and you are one.  On your recommendation I will, though of the wrong gender, read Intimate Nature.</p>
<p>Following up on something Merkin said earlier today, this may be one of those issues where we divert from the fundamental discussion and get side tracked on the tangential, in this case how the message is delivered.  </p>
<p>It has been a day of learning and thinking.  Thank you for your contribution.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I promise to tell no one that you confessed to stealing the horse.  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>tidbits</p>
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		<title>By: Sethsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sethsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never be a veganist only consumer,while I  respect the right to choose what you feel is a healthy food and fnd myself needing both protein and leafty greens to sustain me,the lack of either would seriously hinder what my body needs. I absolutely need greens and beta-carotene such as carrots as spinach for muscle building and good chemical balance to the system. Meat would have to be chicken or some form of poultry for bone and tissue sustanence. Even the Bible holds morally that meat is a necessity for survival. In the old Testament Jacob was tested to sacrifice his son on an altar but God sent an angel to stay his hand when he was going to stab his only son to prove his loyalty to God, and a lamb was found nearby trapped in the bushes that was to be &#039;used&#039; in the sacrifice, as a burnt offering to God as was the traditions in the earliest biblical times. actually the Bible is full of examples of the use of meat down to Adam and Eve -Adam naming the animals in genesis to be used as food. What I don,t fnd acceptable is killing of animals for trophy sports. And the tampering with genetics to make an animal more quickly grown for consumption. We have gone off the track somewhere that is finally making the land more polluted in various ways the ground water mainly that these residuals leach their way into waterways in in turn the water has to be treated,that in turn challenges the human integrity of our cellular structure. Cancer is the result that shows up later when the body can no longer adjust to alien parts per million to our very molecular viability to ward off such damage. Plants or as a veganist diet can be considered a better choice for later years as I am leaning too now even tho they are altered too, its best to be smart and buy organic or farm produced ,  as well as meat being farm fed and raised in smaller quantities than the mills, which IS cruelty to animals that know no difference from birth to slaughter house, but than are not humans animals too? Has to be reverance in the whole process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never be a veganist only consumer,while I  respect the right to choose what you feel is a healthy food and fnd myself needing both protein and leafty greens to sustain me,the lack of either would seriously hinder what my body needs. I absolutely need greens and beta-carotene such as carrots as spinach for muscle building and good chemical balance to the system. Meat would have to be chicken or some form of poultry for bone and tissue sustanence. Even the Bible holds morally that meat is a necessity for survival. In the old Testament Jacob was tested to sacrifice his son on an altar but God sent an angel to stay his hand when he was going to stab his only son to prove his loyalty to God, and a lamb was found nearby trapped in the bushes that was to be &#39;used&#39; in the sacrifice, as a burnt offering to God as was the traditions in the earliest biblical times. actually the Bible is full of examples of the use of meat down to Adam and Eve -Adam naming the animals in genesis to be used as food. What I don,t fnd acceptable is killing of animals for trophy sports. And the tampering with genetics to make an animal more quickly grown for consumption. We have gone off the track somewhere that is finally making the land more polluted in various ways the ground water mainly that these residuals leach their way into waterways in in turn the water has to be treated,that in turn challenges the human integrity of our cellular structure. Cancer is the result that shows up later when the body can no longer adjust to alien parts per million to our very molecular viability to ward off such damage. Plants or as a veganist diet can be considered a better choice for later years as I am leaning too now even tho they are altered too, its best to be smart and buy organic or farm produced ,  as well as meat being farm fed and raised in smaller quantities than the mills, which IS cruelty to animals that know no difference from birth to slaughter house, but than are not humans animals too? Has to be reverance in the whole process.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we morally judge a shark or a bear when it eats a human?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Humans are simply eating other species as other species eat us. Only we are the masters now, where as 25,000 years ago, we were the prey. Unless we discover an intelligent and cultured alien life form resembling herbivore goats, there is no moral implication in eating goats.</description>
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<p>Humans are simply eating other species as other species eat us. Only we are the masters now, where as 25,000 years ago, we were the prey. Unless we discover an intelligent and cultured alien life form resembling herbivore goats, there is no moral implication in eating goats.</p>
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		<title>By: ordinarysparrow</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for bringing more on this topic. . . appreciate ES taking these questions to Ms. Wosko and the responses.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; After the first post on this topic i began seeking more information and am now reading the book, INTIMATE NATURE: the Bond Between Women and Animals. by Linda Hogan, Deena Metzger and Brenda Peterson.  I wished this book was required reading for every person  and would highly recommend it for any TMV reader truly interested in this subject.  It is an anthology of women like Dr. E. that write with intelligence and compassion  with a premise that &#039;animals are honored co-sharers of the earth.  This anthology features orginal stories from First People, essays, meditations and poems by a vast array of women nature writers and field scientists.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This quote comes from the introduction; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; In recent years, according to Earth-time, humans have lost their more intimate relationships with animals as peers, teachers, and kindred allies.  For centuries now, male priests, doctors, and scientists have declared animals a territory to be approached with objectivity and detachment.  And in the last centuries we have become increasingly separated from animals and the natural world.  We have been taught to see them as creatures with no soul, no capacity for pain, emotion, intelligence, or worth.  In Claude Bernard’s Physiology, he states that ” A man of science no longer hears the cry of animals, the blood that flows. . .he sees only his ideas.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have to stop here for this is a topic of passion for me, it would be so easy to type the entire book out for all to read. I had a horse for a Mom and know a depth of goodness that can be known from other species.   For many PETA is a turn off i hope readers do not discount the importance of the subject because of how some of the messengers deliver .  And thanks ES, Dr. E and Ms Wosko  for  clear humane voices that speak for other species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for bringing more on this topic. . . appreciate ES taking these questions to Ms. Wosko and the responses.   </p>
<p> After the first post on this topic i began seeking more information and am now reading the book, INTIMATE NATURE: the Bond Between Women and Animals. by Linda Hogan, Deena Metzger and Brenda Peterson.  I wished this book was required reading for every person  and would highly recommend it for any TMV reader truly interested in this subject.  It is an anthology of women like Dr. E. that write with intelligence and compassion  with a premise that &#39;animals are honored co-sharers of the earth.  This anthology features orginal stories from First People, essays, meditations and poems by a vast array of women nature writers and field scientists.  </p>
<p>This quote comes from the introduction; </p>
<p>&#8221; In recent years, according to Earth-time, humans have lost their more intimate relationships with animals as peers, teachers, and kindred allies.  For centuries now, male priests, doctors, and scientists have declared animals a territory to be approached with objectivity and detachment.  And in the last centuries we have become increasingly separated from animals and the natural world.  We have been taught to see them as creatures with no soul, no capacity for pain, emotion, intelligence, or worth.  In Claude Bernard’s Physiology, he states that ” A man of science no longer hears the cry of animals, the blood that flows. . .he sees only his ideas.”</p>
<p>I have to stop here for this is a topic of passion for me, it would be so easy to type the entire book out for all to read. I had a horse for a Mom and know a depth of goodness that can be known from other species.   For many PETA is a turn off i hope readers do not discount the importance of the subject because of how some of the messengers deliver .  And thanks ES, Dr. E and Ms Wosko  for  clear humane voices that speak for other species.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I am simply unconvincable about the efficacy of PETA, but I do appreciate Ms. Wosko&#039;s obviously sincere defense of that organization.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This that she said hit home with me, &quot;It is not about the oppressor&#039;s feelings.  It&#039;s about the [oppressed&#039;s] rights.&quot;  Didn&#039;t those on trial at Nuremburg complain about about being falsely reviled (they were only following orders was the justification) for their participation in the death camps?  Whether that sentiment can be carried beyond oppressed humans to animals is the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I am simply unconvincable about the efficacy of PETA, but I do appreciate Ms. Wosko&#39;s obviously sincere defense of that organization.</p>
<p>This that she said hit home with me, &#8220;It is not about the oppressor&#39;s feelings.  It&#39;s about the [oppressed&#39;s] rights.&#8221;  Didn&#39;t those on trial at Nuremburg complain about about being falsely reviled (they were only following orders was the justification) for their participation in the death camps?  Whether that sentiment can be carried beyond oppressed humans to animals is the question.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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