Who's we? Any group that has you as a member is a group of one.

second time arond…

No agism intended. Just my usual politically incorrect way of making a point.

Best,

Old Dog

Dorian

You have spawned an interesting discussion and have encountered an interesting antagonist in our male compatriot, DaMav.

My poor disjointed brain, suffering as it does from those many years of wanton debauchery (though never having touched a drop of Stella), holds an opinion less partisan of the oft-defiled and oft-revered Mr. Cheney.

To set the parameters, and as I believe you know, my ecclectic propensities led to my opposition to many of the strategic and tactical decisions of the Bush/Cheney “war on terror”. But, I do not see evil in either man. Rather, there is perhaps partisanship, particularly with Cheney, and a “pride of ownership” that recoils at, and then attacks those who would question either the sincerity or the efficacy of their efforts. They, Cheney in particular, built this policy and do not want their product re-worked, or questioned, or even renamed.

Does Cheney engage in partisan hyperbole? He does. Is hyperbole, by its nature, often false and always misleading? It is. But, does the adoption of partisan hyperbole equate to evil intent? Well, I think not. Cheney is an old man who has been much maligned, at least, I suspect, from his perspective . Macho in character, and believing in the rightness of his view, sometimes falsely confusing his own opinion with fact, he strikes out at those who disparage what he views as his life's work and legacy. I cannot say that I would not do the same, had I accomplished something I regarded as worthy of defending.

As, dr. e would say, “just my two cents…”

I have no “disgust” for you or your opinions at all. Rather I find them rather amusing for their blindly passionate one sided moral outrage. When it comes to industrial class umbrage, you da man. You even fire off umbrage at a light hearted joke about chicken entrails. How can I not enjoy the show?

Noted. Thank you for your frankness.

Dorian de Wind

I simply pointed out that Gore had already set the bar to a rather low level so their was no need for an excessive level of umbrage being bandied about.

“He betrayed this country!” Mr. Gore shouted into the microphone at a rally of Tennessee Democrats here in a stuffy hotel ballroom. “He played on our fears. He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops, an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place.”

The speech had several hundred Democrats roaring their approval for Mr. Gore
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0209-01…

You said: You are perfectly correct that I don't like Cheney. As a matter of fact, I have an intense dislike for the man.
Whoa! Good guess on my part eh? What could have given it away?

You are wrong however about one thing in regard to me. I have no “disgust” for you or your opinions at all. Rather I find them rather amusing for their blindly passionate one sided moral outrage. When it comes to industrial class umbrage, you da man. You even fire off umbrage at a light hearted joke about chicken entrails. How can I not enjoy the show?

And with apologies to Mr Zimmerman…
My name it means nothing, my age it means less
The country I come from is called the Midwest
I value my privacy, what little I have
And the name you can call me, is simply DaMav

Thank you for addressing your questions and comments to me personally. I appreciate that and will do my best to address them all.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why it was perfectly ok for ex-VP Gore to rip into President Bush but somehow a great source of “umbrage” for ex-VP Cheney to criticize President Obama.

I am sorry if I missed you asking that question before. However, I don't believe that I even mentioned Gore in my post, nor do I know what specific instance of Mr. Gore “ripping into” Bush you are referring to. Having said that, I believe—and I am sure you agree with me—that in our country “it is perfectly ok for ex-VP Gore to rip into President Bush.” And if he did, I am also sure that plenty of Conservatives did take “umbrage” at that, and expressed their disagreements with Mr. Gore freely and eloquently.

Since I am a Democrat and support the policies of President Obama, I do take umbrage when the president is, in my opinion, unfairly and unashamedly attacked. I am sorry if you don't agree with that.

If you don't like Cheney, fine, say so. But there's no need to dance around waving chicken entrails like you're trying to ward off the Great Satan who just showed up at your daughter's wedding reception. The bar was set at an amply low outrage level by Gore's prior actions.

You are perfectly correct that I don't like Cheney. As a matter of fact, I have an intense dislike for the man. I am sure that you have similar dislikes for other politicians. I don't know what “chicken entrails” you are referring to, but I will freely express my opinion about this man and what I consider his views and his vile attacks on the president, as you are free to–and have done so–express your disagreement and disgust with me and with my opinions.

Are we going to be treated to a third article of outrage tomorrow when you find someone else who agrees with you about Teh Very Evil Mr. Cheney? If so, it's going to be a long long year

As a matter of fact, next time Cheney makes outrageous and false attacks on the president, I will indeed express my disageement with such, as I am sure you will do so with mine.

Isn't this a great country?

Again, thank you for your comments.

Dorian de Wind

By the way, your name…?

Cheney is an ex Vice President, all that makes him is a more informed arm chair pundit, Obama is the President now, his mistakes from this point on have real consequences. He didn't do a total flop or anything, just turned in a substandard performance, he can recover and hopefully will learn from his initial mistake, before it becomes a larger one.