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		<title>By: CornetMustich</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-240209</link>
		<dc:creator>CornetMustich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Kathy.&lt;br&gt;Onward to equality, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,&lt;br&gt;Washington, Connecticut, USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Kathy.<br />Onward to equality, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,<br />Washington, Connecticut, USA.</p>
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		<title>By: sortaRepublican</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-240085</link>
		<dc:creator>sortaRepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Rove&#039;s crotch private but my gay cousin&#039;s crotch should go to prison or be unmarried?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Rove&#39;s crotch private but my gay cousin&#39;s crotch should go to prison or be unmarried?</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-240028</link>
		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear fatherTime, thanks for the heads up... the reactions can be hidden (disquis has provided a button for that.) I will contact Tyrone to see if there is a way to delete &#039;reactions.&#039; Thus far, not that I know of.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; The spammers have discovered twitter I see. Hang in there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear fatherTime, thanks for the heads up&#8230; the reactions can be hidden (disquis has provided a button for that.) I will contact Tyrone to see if there is a way to delete &#39;reactions.&#39; Thus far, not that I know of.</p>
<p> The spammers have discovered twitter I see. Hang in there.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-239954</link>
		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agreed that these guerilla marketing ploys should be kept off the site a) because, despite our disagreement on some sexual issues, I do draw the line at children as you rightly point out, and b) because it devalues TMV&#039;s ad space to allow the Reactions section, or the comment section, to be used for commercial solicitation purposes.</description>
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<p>Agreed that these guerilla marketing ploys should be kept off the site a) because, despite our disagreement on some sexual issues, I do draw the line at children as you rightly point out, and b) because it devalues TMV&#39;s ad space to allow the Reactions section, or the comment section, to be used for commercial solicitation purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-239938</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this garbage pornography under &quot;Reactions&quot;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We cannot view TMV with children present anymore? Have the &quot;Sexually Oriented&quot;  taken over the Normally Oriented world now? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Get these disgusting pigs off the blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this garbage pornography under &#8220;Reactions&#8221;?</p>
<p>We cannot view TMV with children present anymore? Have the &#8220;Sexually Oriented&#8221;  taken over the Normally Oriented world now? </p>
<p>Get these disgusting pigs off the blog!</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-239928</link>
		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just saw this. So then you don&#039;t support same-sex marriage?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t have a problem with same-sex marriage and generally support it, although I&#039;m not going to go marching in the streets for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was responding to tidbits assertion that marriage is not the government&#039;s business.  It IS their business, and people seeking legal recognition of gay marriage realize it is the government&#039;s business.  Personally I think splitting marriage into a religious sacrament recognized by the church and a civil contract recognized by the government would make sense, but right now it&#039;s all kind of jumbled together.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Rove, of course his divorce is a matter of public record and if people want to criticize it then more power to them, but really this is 99% partisan finger-pointing and 1% any real concern over Rove&#039;s actions.  Rove is pretty much irrelevant at this point anyway.  Partisans consider hypocrisy the greatest sin of all, except when they commit it themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just saw this. So then you don&#39;t support same-sex marriage?</i></p>
<p>I don&#39;t have a problem with same-sex marriage and generally support it, although I&#39;m not going to go marching in the streets for it.</p>
<p>I was responding to tidbits assertion that marriage is not the government&#39;s business.  It IS their business, and people seeking legal recognition of gay marriage realize it is the government&#39;s business.  Personally I think splitting marriage into a religious sacrament recognized by the church and a civil contract recognized by the government would make sense, but right now it&#39;s all kind of jumbled together.</p>
<p>On Rove, of course his divorce is a matter of public record and if people want to criticize it then more power to them, but really this is 99% partisan finger-pointing and 1% any real concern over Rove&#39;s actions.  Rove is pretty much irrelevant at this point anyway.  Partisans consider hypocrisy the greatest sin of all, except when they commit it themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw this. So then you &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; support same-sex marriage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw this. So then you <b>don&#39;t</b> support same-sex marriage?</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might feel differently with regard to both of the above assertions if the same far right political operative who used the legal system to prevent you and your life partner from marrying in the name of &quot;traditional values&quot; at the same time used to his advantage that same legal system in order to flout those very same traditional values in his own life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If marriages and divorces are public actions, then Dana Perino was wrong, both factually and morally, to request that people &quot;respect&quot; the Rove family&#039;s &quot;privacy.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What *I* don&#039;t understand is why this is such a difficult concept to grasp, even for people who at least nominally support marriage equality. One shouldn&#039;t *have* to be gay or lesbian to grasp it. Every decent human being should be able to understand this. I am not gay, and I feel it on a visceral level. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m so extraordinarily different from anyone else in my ability to feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might feel differently with regard to both of the above assertions if the same far right political operative who used the legal system to prevent you and your life partner from marrying in the name of &#8220;traditional values&#8221; at the same time used to his advantage that same legal system in order to flout those very same traditional values in his own life.</p>
<p>If marriages and divorces are public actions, then Dana Perino was wrong, both factually and morally, to request that people &#8220;respect&#8221; the Rove family&#39;s &#8220;privacy.&#8221;</p>
<p>What *I* don&#39;t understand is why this is such a difficult concept to grasp, even for people who at least nominally support marriage equality. One shouldn&#39;t *have* to be gay or lesbian to grasp it. Every decent human being should be able to understand this. I am not gay, and I feel it on a visceral level. I don&#39;t think I&#39;m so extraordinarily different from anyone else in my ability to feel.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-239906</link>
		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaGoat said, &quot;Marriage is a little different since it is a public contract asking for legal governmental recognition, and has a bearing on taxation, estates, power of attorney, etc, etc. As such the government should be able to define under what parameters it considers marriage.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, bullpucky!  :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marriage is a religious sacrament that government butted into about 150 years ago as a fundraising device (charging fees for the issuance of marriage licenses).  Issues of taxation, estates, or division of assets can be accomplished by recognizing households (taxation) and implied contracts (estates and division of assets).  Powers of Attorney are strictly based on contractual documents.  None of these functions requires a governmental definition of marriage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just my dumb opinion.  Whether you partner up gay, straight or other is about as much the government&#039;s business as whether you start your day with coffee, tea or Red Bull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaGoat said, &#8220;Marriage is a little different since it is a public contract asking for legal governmental recognition, and has a bearing on taxation, estates, power of attorney, etc, etc. As such the government should be able to define under what parameters it considers marriage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, bullpucky!  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Marriage is a religious sacrament that government butted into about 150 years ago as a fundraising device (charging fees for the issuance of marriage licenses).  Issues of taxation, estates, or division of assets can be accomplished by recognizing households (taxation) and implied contracts (estates and division of assets).  Powers of Attorney are strictly based on contractual documents.  None of these functions requires a governmental definition of marriage.</p>
<p>Just my dumb opinion.  Whether you partner up gay, straight or other is about as much the government&#39;s business as whether you start your day with coffee, tea or Red Bull.</p>
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		<title>By: VeratheGun</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeratheGun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do remember reading somewhere that Rove and his wife were polar opposites, politically.  When he was working in the White House and not around that much, it was probably okay.   But once they had to actually spend time and space together, it fell apart.  I would never rejoice in someone&#039;s divorce, but is this really all that surprising?  Rove is one seriously unpleasant fellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do remember reading somewhere that Rove and his wife were polar opposites, politically.  When he was working in the White House and not around that much, it was probably okay.   But once they had to actually spend time and space together, it fell apart.  I would never rejoice in someone&#39;s divorce, but is this really all that surprising?  Rove is one seriously unpleasant fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have yet to hear or read anyone who can present a cogent argument on why the question of who someone else marries, has sex with or otherwise consorts with, should be any of my business or the government&#039;s business.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree who people decide to have sex with or consort with is no one else&#039;s business but the people involved.  Marriage is a little different since it is a public contract asking for legal governmental recognition, and has a bearing on taxation, estates, power of attorney, etc, etc.  As such the government should be able to define under what parameters it considers marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have yet to hear or read anyone who can present a cogent argument on why the question of who someone else marries, has sex with or otherwise consorts with, should be any of my business or the government&#39;s business.</i></p>
<p>I agree who people decide to have sex with or consort with is no one else&#39;s business but the people involved.  Marriage is a little different since it is a public contract asking for legal governmental recognition, and has a bearing on taxation, estates, power of attorney, etc, etc.  As such the government should be able to define under what parameters it considers marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/57437/karl-rove-ends-his-second-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-239897</link>
		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to hear or read anyone who can present a cogent argument on why the question of who someone else marries, has sex with or otherwise consorts with, should be any of my business or the government&#039;s business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Happy New Year to all...regardless of who you partner with and regardless of what form that partnership takes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;g. c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to hear or read anyone who can present a cogent argument on why the question of who someone else marries, has sex with or otherwise consorts with, should be any of my business or the government&#39;s business.</p>
<p>Happy New Year to all&#8230;regardless of who you partner with and regardless of what form that partnership takes.</p>
<p>g. c.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypocrisy never presented an obstacle for Rove before this (nor for those who supported his methods) so why would anyone be surprised to find he can&#039;t walk the walk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypocrisy never presented an obstacle for Rove before this (nor for those who supported his methods) so why would anyone be surprised to find he can&#39;t walk the walk?</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I support gay marriage, I don&#039;t understand the claim that Rove invaded gays privacy.  Marriages and divorces are public actions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any event the left making hay out of Rove&#039;s divorce is really just sinking to Rove&#039;s level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I support gay marriage, I don&#39;t understand the claim that Rove invaded gays privacy.  Marriages and divorces are public actions.</p>
<p>In any event the left making hay out of Rove&#39;s divorce is really just sinking to Rove&#39;s level.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weller, OSL</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weller, OSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True about your principle on walking the talk.  But, the glory days of &quot;Focus on the Family&quot; and Liberty Univ. are long disappeared, leaving their adherents to a different political atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True about your principle on walking the talk.  But, the glory days of &#8220;Focus on the Family&#8221; and Liberty Univ. are long disappeared, leaving their adherents to a different political atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: spirasol</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirasol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the hypocrisy screams, but then my imagination can&#039;t go so far as to imagine what it must be like to be married to a guy like that. Bolton, too, by the whiskers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the hypocrisy screams, but then my imagination can&#39;t go so far as to imagine what it must be like to be married to a guy like that. Bolton, too, by the whiskers.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same sex marriage is irrelevant and out of the question regarding this venture, but one can clearly see that conservative values among republicans is an absolutely hysterical perception.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where is that jackass John Bolton these days? Anybody keeping tabs on him? Can&#039;t wait to see his reputation dragged through the mud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same sex marriage is irrelevant and out of the question regarding this venture, but one can clearly see that conservative values among republicans is an absolutely hysterical perception.</p>
<p>Where is that jackass John Bolton these days? Anybody keeping tabs on him? Can&#39;t wait to see his reputation dragged through the mud.</p>
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