Goldwater, like Jefferson as nicrivera points out, wouldn't have liked seeing the Catholic Church's views being taken into consideration-

Not convinced of that, certainly they would be skeptical, but the reality of the Catholic Church owning a large chuck of the hospitals and clinics in our nation is not something that could be ignored. If they aren't consulted with they might choose to shut down these facilities, something I think Goldwater and Jefferson would agree would be a disaster. Wary about such consultations, yes, against them, I kinda doubt it. The men were realists.

And Un-Conservative. Unless you think that Barry Goldwater was a liberal.

A few quotes:

“I am a conservative Republican, but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.”
(in a 1994 Washington Post essay)
“The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,”
“I don't have any respect for the Religious Right.”
“Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass.”
“A woman has a right to an abortion.”

If Thomas Jefferson saw what the “Party of Jefferson” was trying to implement, ” Thomas Jefferson would be spinning in his grave.”, if he ever crawled out of it, he would vote Republican.

I doubt Jefferson would vote for either the Democrats or the Republicans, as neither party supports the classical liberal values that he believed in.

As much as Jefferson would had disapproved of the Democratic Party's elastic reading of the Constitution and economic interventionism, I seriously doubt he would have approved of a Republican Party that passed of the Patriot Act, starting a pre-emptive war on Iraq, and mixing of religion with politics.

Jefferson and Madison would both be libertarians, by today's standards, and if they supported any party at all, it would be the Libertarian Party.

I would certainly expect that our legislators would consult with the Church at least as far as getting an understanding of the tricky issue of ectopic pregnancy in Catholic theology so that what secular medical professionals would call an abortion, and Catholic theologians would call a tragically failed premature delivery would get funded. I have doubts that a working majority of the US Senate understands the Catholic theological concept of double effect.

Beyond the definitional differences, Catholics are perhaps a quarter of the country. Why wouldn't you consult the Church? Please, no second class citizens.

un-constitutional-un-democratic-un-american

Un-Constitutional? Can you direct me where it says the Federal government is tasked to provide abortions to the citizenry>

Un-democratic? Well even in the sense of the Democratic Party there is division so it can't be undemocratic that way. As for Un-Democratic in a broader sense, you have to first understand a basic fact, we are not and have never been a Democracy, the US is a Constitutional Republic. Thomas jefferson whom you refer to in your initial post knew better.

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
–Thomas Jefferson

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
–Thomas Jefferson

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
–Thomas Jefferson

If Thomas Jefferson saw what the “Party of Jefferson” was trying to implement, ” Thomas Jefferson would be spinning in his grave.”, if he ever crawled out of it, he would vote Republican.

Un-American? Well add Thomas Jefferson to you list of “Un-American” thinkers Kathy, along with most if not all of the founding fathers.

I deem the title post post Un-reasearched, Un-factual, and Un-believable

However, I also believe that Jefferson would be spinning in his grave over the entire health care insurance that Democrats are attempting to pass. Jefferson didn't even support a national bank. Do you really think he would have supported the government interfering with health insurance?

This.

And I have quoted Jefferson regarding this on these boards previously. Claiming Thomas Jefferson's views as a validation for something regarding Democratic Party healthcare objectives is a royal hoot. Shall we reference Mao on a discussion of property rights next? LOL.

Of course she does, agent_intellect. Kathy routinely refuses to show the same respect for prolifers that she expects them to show for her opinions, as evidenced by the nastily derogatory label of “fetus fetishists”.

You realize that's a loaded definition, right? The “fetish fetishists” don't believe that abortion is simply a medical procedure, but the intentional killing of a human being. If fetuses are human beings then they have the right to life, which would mean being in favor of abortion is “Un-Constitutional, Un-Democratic, Un-American” since it seeks to allow the denial of life to a certain class of people. To define abortion solely by how it affects the mother skips over the whole point of the controversy.

Thomas Jefferson would be spinning in his grave.

I agree that Jefferson would be spinning in his grave over a religious group dictating their to the federal government such that the whole of the American people would be subject to the religious group's person beliefs.

However, I also believe that Jefferson would be spinning in his grave over the entire health care insurance that Democrats are attempting to pass. Jefferson didn't even support a national bank. Do you really think he would have supported the government interfering with health insurance?

Someone else put it the best, that the Dems might actually risk loss of legislation over behaving stupidly about abortion. Judging by the behavior I'm witnessing, including the DC Dems', it looks that way.

Polling shows that approximately half of all Americans believe that there should be limitations on the power of women to have an abortion. Many of those who do, myself included, feel that Abortion is nothing more than legalized murder. Indeed, it is far worse than the Holocaust, as well over sixty million innocent children have been brutally slaughtered in the name of “choice” and “women's rights.” Well, it is unfortunate that this whole process, in my mind, is being dealt with in conjunction with religious groups; however, I think it far worse to condemn millions more innocent children to their death simply because many women refuse to face the consequences of their decisions.