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I don't agree with Code Pink's stance on the issue, but I don't see anything particularly wrong with the image. They disagree with the decision and are voicing their concern. Nothing wrong with that.
The “General Betray-us” thing was over-the-line because it went after someone who was not a politician, but was just giving his assessment of the situation as he saw it from a military perspective.
I agree with AD, which I'm sure is not a surprise. I would add that I find it quite shocking that a legitimate, if overheated, protest against the substance of Pres. Obama's announced war policy in Afghanistan would be seen as accusing Obama of betraying the American people, while the actual constitutional definition of treason being leveled against Obama by former vice-president Dick Cheney — who is quite obviously much more of a power figure than anyone in Code Pink — in his interview with Politico earlier today goes unremarked and apparently unnoticed.
At least Code Pink is consistent and doesn't forgive a democratic president for doing the same thing they condemned a republican president for. I don't like Code pink and there travelling circus of loons, but I give them credit for not being hypocrites.
As if you need me to say what I think about this. Almost the equal of MoveOn’s “General Betray-us”.
I don't follow. MoveOn questioned the patriotism of General Petraeus simply because it didn't agree with his position on the war. I don't see how Code Pink's ad does this in any way, shape, or form.
I also have to second Leonidas' comment. At least Code Pink is being consistent, which is more than I can say for partisan Democrats and Republicans whose position on war seems to change depending on who's in the White House.
Let me backpedal a bit here. With my brief remark, I didn't mean to suggest that Code Pink is literally branding Obama as a traitor, the way MoveOn did to Gen. Petraeus. But there is the clear sense that he is betraying what he stood for as a candidate; thus, “HOPE” becomes “HOPELESS ESCALATION”. It's a slap in the face. And an unfair one at that.
I don't agree with Code Pink's stance on the issue, but I don't see anything particularly wrong with the image. They disagree with the decision and are voicing their concern. Nothing wrong with that.
The “General Betray-us” thing was over-the-line because it went after someone who was not a politician, but was just giving his assessment of the situation as he saw it from a military perspective.
So I think the two are completely different.
I agree with AD, which I'm sure is not a surprise. I would add that I find it quite shocking that a legitimate, if overheated, protest against the substance of Pres. Obama's announced war policy in Afghanistan would be seen as accusing Obama of betraying the American people, while the actual constitutional definition of treason being leveled against Obama by former vice-president Dick Cheney — who is quite obviously much more of a power figure than anyone in Code Pink — in his interview with Politico earlier today goes unremarked and apparently unnoticed.
At least Code Pink is consistent and doesn't forgive a democratic president for doing the same thing they condemned a republican president for. I don't like Code pink and there travelling circus of loons, but I give them credit for not being hypocrites.
I don't follow. MoveOn questioned the patriotism of General Petraeus simply because it didn't agree with his position on the war. I don't see how Code Pink's ad does this in any way, shape, or form.
I also have to second Leonidas' comment. At least Code Pink is being consistent, which is more than I can say for partisan Democrats and Republicans whose position on war seems to change depending on who's in the White House.
This is a good point, Leonidas.
Code Pink for President!
Let me backpedal a bit here. With my brief remark, I didn't mean to suggest that Code Pink is literally branding Obama as a traitor, the way MoveOn did to Gen. Petraeus. But there is the clear sense that he is betraying what he stood for as a candidate; thus, “HOPE” becomes “HOPELESS ESCALATION”. It's a slap in the face. And an unfair one at that.
I wondered aloud already about Cindy Sheehan, but I forgot about Code Pink. What clowns.