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	<title>Comments on: Right or Wrong, This is to Be Admired About What Obama Announces Tonight</title>
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		<title>By: spirasol</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I read your interesting piece correctly, courage is nearly beside the point, outcome is what we are most interested in, rightly or wrongly. But to focus exclusively on courage, I wouldn&#039;t say Obama best exemplifies the word.  Perhaps with a small &quot;c&quot;.  For him to follow through on what he said he would do, is to say he can point to what he promised to do in the run up to the election.  Where does hubris begin to over shadow courage?  What is the &quot;price of nice.&quot; -- which seem to value dialogue and compromise above vision and follow through.  When will he use his lofty oratory to marshal the higher forces in us to do the right thing for the world, for us domestically-- THAT would be leadership, would be courageous.  There is a certain zeitgeist that calls out for COURAGE in big letters.  I don&#039;t hear any grand ideas. If he were my CO, I would only reluctantly follow him into battle.  As my president I would also reluctantly send my son/daughter to fight in civil wars/occupations and it could easily turn to loathing if it never ends (there is no end to poor nations who could house al queda or any other american hating group) or if my son/daughter were killed or sent home crazy for being caught between partners in a domestic dispute or a war against ghosts. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the speech he mentioned again the issues for which he was elected: but he has not closed Guantanamo, his team does not represent a model of transparent government, Iraq is not over and I fully expect the withdrawal will be drawn out, we are being spied on more and more, we are militarizing our police forces to gird against domestic unrest, brought on by hungry people disenchanted with our global corporate emphasis.   The president has been rather luke warm in his advocacy for health care reform, and the current health care reform is said to be a corporate give away.  The issue of whether or not Obama is courageous will be decided not on one issue but all the issues, and likely not today, though we get to peek ahead, but historically.  And of coarse he will give himself high marks.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wanted to say that the extremes you speak of criticizing Obama come from both the right and the left, attempting to pull him in those directions.  The difference for me is that we live in an era that has shifted the entire political spectrum to the right........so that the norm is center-right or even Neocon or radical right, which many would say describes the Bush years.  That&#039;s why Obama is attacked for being a &quot;socialist&quot; while for example, Scandinavian countries laugh their asses of at us, for they are partly socialist, proudly so, and find any such mention of the USA/Obama being socialist to be ludicrous.  Obama is about as socialist as Exxon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I read your interesting piece correctly, courage is nearly beside the point, outcome is what we are most interested in, rightly or wrongly. But to focus exclusively on courage, I wouldn&#39;t say Obama best exemplifies the word.  Perhaps with a small &#8220;c&#8221;.  For him to follow through on what he said he would do, is to say he can point to what he promised to do in the run up to the election.  Where does hubris begin to over shadow courage?  What is the &#8220;price of nice.&#8221; &#8212; which seem to value dialogue and compromise above vision and follow through.  When will he use his lofty oratory to marshal the higher forces in us to do the right thing for the world, for us domestically&#8211; THAT would be leadership, would be courageous.  There is a certain zeitgeist that calls out for COURAGE in big letters.  I don&#39;t hear any grand ideas. If he were my CO, I would only reluctantly follow him into battle.  As my president I would also reluctantly send my son/daughter to fight in civil wars/occupations and it could easily turn to loathing if it never ends (there is no end to poor nations who could house al queda or any other american hating group) or if my son/daughter were killed or sent home crazy for being caught between partners in a domestic dispute or a war against ghosts. </p>
<p>In the speech he mentioned again the issues for which he was elected: but he has not closed Guantanamo, his team does not represent a model of transparent government, Iraq is not over and I fully expect the withdrawal will be drawn out, we are being spied on more and more, we are militarizing our police forces to gird against domestic unrest, brought on by hungry people disenchanted with our global corporate emphasis.   The president has been rather luke warm in his advocacy for health care reform, and the current health care reform is said to be a corporate give away.  The issue of whether or not Obama is courageous will be decided not on one issue but all the issues, and likely not today, though we get to peek ahead, but historically.  And of coarse he will give himself high marks.  </p>
<p>I wanted to say that the extremes you speak of criticizing Obama come from both the right and the left, attempting to pull him in those directions.  The difference for me is that we live in an era that has shifted the entire political spectrum to the right&#8230;&#8230;..so that the norm is center-right or even Neocon or radical right, which many would say describes the Bush years.  That&#39;s why Obama is attacked for being a &#8220;socialist&#8221; while for example, Scandinavian countries laugh their asses of at us, for they are partly socialist, proudly so, and find any such mention of the USA/Obama being socialist to be ludicrous.  Obama is about as socialist as Exxon.</p>
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		<title>By: MJDaniels53</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, FT. As always, I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, FT. As always, I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article Mr. Daniels. I&#039;m going to have to contemplate this for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article Mr. Daniels. I&#39;m going to have to contemplate this for awhile.</p>
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