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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54619/limited-tax-reform-for-economic-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-234438</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[Tax cuts] have less of a multiplier effect of the money bouncing through the economy.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Popular wisdom that no one seems able to explain.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I get a tax rebate.  I buy something with it--new tires, school tuition, a vacation.  The place I bought it from pays their employees and suppliers.  Those people buy something else with the money, and so on.  Lo, money bouncing through the economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what if I don&#039;t buy something?  What if I sock it in a savings account or pay down a credit card balance?  Then the bank gets the money, and they want to earn interest on it.  So they loan it out to a person getting a home equity loan or a business looking to expand.  Those people in turn spend the money (or save it, or pay down debt, or pretty much anything), and the cycle repeats.  Lo, money bouncing through the economy again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one in this cycle is likely to buy a bridge to nowhere or pay farmers not to grow crops.  But other than that it works every bit as well as if the government had spent the money itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[Tax cuts] have less of a multiplier effect of the money bouncing through the economy.</i></p>
<p>Popular wisdom that no one seems able to explain.  </p>
<p>I get a tax rebate.  I buy something with it&#8211;new tires, school tuition, a vacation.  The place I bought it from pays their employees and suppliers.  Those people buy something else with the money, and so on.  Lo, money bouncing through the economy.</p>
<p>But what if I don&#39;t buy something?  What if I sock it in a savings account or pay down a credit card balance?  Then the bank gets the money, and they want to earn interest on it.  So they loan it out to a person getting a home equity loan or a business looking to expand.  Those people in turn spend the money (or save it, or pay down debt, or pretty much anything), and the cycle repeats.  Lo, money bouncing through the economy again.</p>
<p>No one in this cycle is likely to buy a bridge to nowhere or pay farmers not to grow crops.  But other than that it works every bit as well as if the government had spent the money itself.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54619/limited-tax-reform-for-economic-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-234430</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Create four million new jobs&quot; =&gt; &quot;Create _or_save_ three million new jobs&quot; =&gt; next to no jobs (and most, in the case of Michigan, for example, have been seasonal or government jobs)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Defective bridges: Some of us wanted original stimulus money spent on things like this, electrical transmission infrastructure, et cetera.  Oops.  The play-time platoon had other goals in mind.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, there&#039;s Hope [tm], still.  Things may Change [tm] once Washington and the private sector emulate the Clinton Little Rock &quot;summit&quot; and actually try to think of better things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, we have to wait for some of the play-pen platoon to return from Copenhagen, and await any stupid new goals they want to add to what they have managed to do badly so far.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, there&#039;s no reassurance it won&#039;t end up like a pale imitation of the Clinton summit, with people arguing largely on what kind of new taxes to levy, and how large, when not babbling in their silly way about the &quot;investments&quot; [sic] that have to be made in addition to those that have been made already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Create four million new jobs&#8221; =&gt; &#8220;Create _or_save_ three million new jobs&#8221; =&gt; next to no jobs (and most, in the case of Michigan, for example, have been seasonal or government jobs)</p>
<p>Defective bridges: Some of us wanted original stimulus money spent on things like this, electrical transmission infrastructure, et cetera.  Oops.  The play-time platoon had other goals in mind.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#39;s Hope [tm], still.  Things may Change [tm] once Washington and the private sector emulate the Clinton Little Rock &#8220;summit&#8221; and actually try to think of better things.</p>
<p>First, we have to wait for some of the play-pen platoon to return from Copenhagen, and await any stupid new goals they want to add to what they have managed to do badly so far.</p>
<p>Second, there&#39;s no reassurance it won&#39;t end up like a pale imitation of the Clinton summit, with people arguing largely on what kind of new taxes to levy, and how large, when not babbling in their silly way about the &#8220;investments&#8221; [sic] that have to be made in addition to those that have been made already.</p>
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		<title>By: tombeecroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>tombeecroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that less than a third of the $787 billion stimulus package has actually been paid out so far, the bulk of the impact of the package will only be felt in 2010.  Given that the economy is already starting to recover, and the fact that unemployment will lag recovery by some months, any further stimulus now is likely to have little impact on unemployment rates in the near future. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The stimulus package includes funding for quite a few infrastructure projects, which should both benefit the economy next year and also provide benefits to future generations.  While it may be true that much more infrastructure spending is needed, as long as Americans continue to demand high levels of government services and &#039;entitlements&#039; without agreeing to higher taxes to pay for them, then long term infrastructure projects and other important but not urgent spending will continue to be delayed and delayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that less than a third of the $787 billion stimulus package has actually been paid out so far, the bulk of the impact of the package will only be felt in 2010.  Given that the economy is already starting to recover, and the fact that unemployment will lag recovery by some months, any further stimulus now is likely to have little impact on unemployment rates in the near future. </p>
<p>The stimulus package includes funding for quite a few infrastructure projects, which should both benefit the economy next year and also provide benefits to future generations.  While it may be true that much more infrastructure spending is needed, as long as Americans continue to demand high levels of government services and &#39;entitlements&#39; without agreeing to higher taxes to pay for them, then long term infrastructure projects and other important but not urgent spending will continue to be delayed and delayed.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the &quot;create or save three million jobs&quot; campaign promise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the &#8220;create or save three million jobs&#8221; campaign promise?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: merkin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The appeal of tax cuts to boost the economy are their simplicity and the speed with which they can be implemented. Their disadvantages are many though. They have relativity less bang for the buck than almost any other program. That is they have less of a multiplier effect of the money bouncing through the economy.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tax cuts reward a large number of people for doing something they were going to do anyway. My recently married son will gladly accept the 8000 dollar first time buyer tax credit on his 400K home even though he would have bought the house anyway. It will reduce the monthly payment by nearly 30  dollars a month. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a retired corporate executive I can tell you the payroll tax savings would not result in many new hires. You base hires on the amount of work you have to do, not the amount of money you have to pay people with. The best you could hope is that the extra money might save some more people from being laid off or add to someone&#039;s overtime pay. . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first stimulus impact was almost completely trumped by the decrease in state and local government spending. This is were we need to look to get these projects going again. Too much of the first stimulus was in low impact tax rebates which went into savings or debt reductions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The appeal of tax cuts to boost the economy are their simplicity and the speed with which they can be implemented. Their disadvantages are many though. They have relativity less bang for the buck than almost any other program. That is they have less of a multiplier effect of the money bouncing through the economy.  </p>
<p>Tax cuts reward a large number of people for doing something they were going to do anyway. My recently married son will gladly accept the 8000 dollar first time buyer tax credit on his 400K home even though he would have bought the house anyway. It will reduce the monthly payment by nearly 30  dollars a month. </p>
<p>As a retired corporate executive I can tell you the payroll tax savings would not result in many new hires. You base hires on the amount of work you have to do, not the amount of money you have to pay people with. The best you could hope is that the extra money might save some more people from being laid off or add to someone&#39;s overtime pay. . </p>
<p>The first stimulus impact was almost completely trumped by the decrease in state and local government spending. This is were we need to look to get these projects going again. Too much of the first stimulus was in low impact tax rebates which went into savings or debt reductions.</p>
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