Just look at the Viet Kong. Same deal, except they were fighting for their homeland. These clowns are fighting for an ideal for another person's homeland.

The Taliban is predominantly Pashtun, and the Pashtun are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan. The Taliban is not fighting a war on someone else's turf, they are at home, and if you think the US can beat the Pashtun on their own turf, you should ask the Russians how well that worked for them, or the Brits for that matter.

And like the Vietnamese in the 60's, the Pashtun have survived 30 years of non-stop war…

And to dismiss them as illiterate hicks is a very very bad habit to get into. You must respect your enemy. They surprised everyone with there capabilities. Just look at the Viet Kong. Same deal, except they were fighting for their homeland. These clowns are fighting for an ideal for another person's homeland.

And I'm sorry about the Russians marching down mainstreet thing. That was uncalled for. I'm sure we'd both fight them accordingly. Figuring out operational patterns and attacking would be my forte as well. Of course, then we'd be patriots – unless we started planting IEDs and suicide bombs to kill anyone other than enemy military.

Hey, wait a minute there, DQ. I didn't say anything about winning. I'm not sure we can unless a full-fledged revamping of strategy were to take place. Simply throwing troops at it (as the Army tends to do) will not help. If that's all they plan to do with his announcement on Tuesday, then Obama would be best suited to bring them all home and let the Afghanis figure it out on their own. Pakistan appears to be playing ball (for now) however. So perhaps a good round of Taliban/Al Quaida whoop-butt is in order. I'm just not sure.
I guess we'll see.

The TALIBAN is our enemy, DQ. The TALIBAN. As Afghanistan's ruling group, the Taliban (via Al Quaida) attacked the United States in New York and Washington, DC. They provided the training camps and money for those enterprises. So please stop talking down the reason we are in Afghanistan.

The TALIBAN are bunch of illiterate dumb ass hicks who could not not find NYC on a map of the world if it was the only city on the map. Al Qaeda is a Saudi organization created and funded by Saudis with full support of the US government, unfortunately it went rogue…

You'll also observe that the people who flew the airplane into the WTC on 9/11 were predominantly Saudis, that the master planner was Egyptian and that most of the planning was done in Germany…

You wouldn't condone war if Russian troops were marching down mainstreet in your town. You'd probably go out and join them.

No, I'd curse the dumb jackasses who despite having spent billions on Defense couldn't defend the US, and while doing that I would watch what the Ruskies were doing and once I'd figured out there operational patterns( which roads they use when patrolling, where they are getting their supplies, etc) I start planting IEDs, eventually they'd get tired of getting blown to smithereens every time they left their bases and leave…

You know the way we are in Iraq and will in Afghanistan…

And who is this “we” that you speak of that is at war with “US Native Radical Stupidity”. Would that be you and Pelosi? Reid? The ACLU? Who?

Dumb ass morons who think they can win a war in Afghanistan…

I do not kill in the name of Christ. Never claimed that once. I follow my government's laws and fight as I am ordered. As I mentioned above, I am not the only soldier to have served Christ – it's all through the Bible if you care to check it out. I do not serve two masters here. If the military were to tell me to torture, I would refuse that unlawful order. If they were to tell me to shoot unarmed civilians, then too I would refuse that unlawful order.

Ok, fine. You're a hippie peacenik. That's great. You wouldn't condone war if Russian troops were marching down mainstreet in your town. You'd probably go out and join them. The TALIBAN is our enemy, DQ. The TALIBAN. As Afghanistan's ruling group, the Taliban (via Al Quaida) attacked the United States in New York and Washington, DC. They provided the training camps and money for those enterprises. So please stop talking down the reason we are in Afghanistan.

And who is this “we” that you speak of that is at war with “US Native Radical Stupidity”. Would that be you and Pelosi? Reid? The ACLU? Who?

This was not a man representing the legitimate government of Afghanistan, moron. This was an extremist hired by the Taliban. You already know that, so your motives must be other than right versus wrong.

“BTW nice job defending torture”.

Go back and read my first statement, ya boob. I specifically condemned ALL violations of the Geneva Conventions. Nice try.

“but you sure as hell are not following Christ…”

And I'm supposed to take any definition of Christian from an atheist? I don't think so.
I absolutely fall short of Christ. Everyone does, bro. I do me level-headed best to live by his example toward my fellow human beings. Once again, I fall short on that as well. I ask forgiveness for these shortcomings on a daily basis. Being a warrior, I am in a precarious situation, aren't I. Read the Bible sometime. You'll see that war happens. There are many soldiers mentioned in the Bible who followed Christ. How do you suppose this is possible?

Really…why would a guy that was tortured for years stop the US from torturing? There is no logical reason to think McCain would have done things differently, none at all.

He's a republican, he spent eight years with his head up George W Bush's ass.

And the chances of this happening are…that's right, zero. So in the meantime its fine and dandy that we continue torturing just because the new guy has a letter behind his name that you like more.

Just because I am not willing to hold a Democratic President to a stricter legal standard than a Republican President does not mean that I approve what he is doing… But if you have a real problem with his actions, you know where to start, put Bush and his administration on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity…

McCain would not have put up with this crap.

Somehow I seriously doubt that a McCain Presidency would have done things any differently…

As L said…McCain would have never tolerated this.

Ironically, we still torture and we are escalating the Afghan war, yet the world loves America again.

If you don't know what I'm referring to take your pick tons of articles about Obama and Bagram

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=…

Of course not. And when all those fine folks are shooting in the air, it's only an accident when someone “slips” and shoots someone else in the head rather than firing at the sky, instead.

Innocent? Hell, no. Those people have real grudges. [grin]