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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233569</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;cutting domestic spending to pay for the war would not be considered &#039;typical class warfare&#039; at all.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First of all, it obviously isn&#039;t.  Second, perhaps you don&#039;t realize that most spending doesn&#039;t benefit primarily (much less exclusively) the poor, or isn&#039;t &quot;regressive&quot; (with respect to incomes) in nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;cutting domestic spending to pay for the war would not be considered &#39;typical class warfare&#39; at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, it obviously isn&#39;t.  Second, perhaps you don&#39;t realize that most spending doesn&#39;t benefit primarily (much less exclusively) the poor, or isn&#39;t &#8220;regressive&#8221; (with respect to incomes) in nature.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233568</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;incredibly revealing that a surtax on wealthy Americans to pay for continuing a war that has gone on for eight years now would be considered &#039;typical class warfare&#039; [unrelated material deleted]&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, Kathy, but rather incredibly obvious.  Anyone who knows reality (and understands English) knows this already, too, and doesn&#039;t feel the need to reject reality and question it or reject it or disparage it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You should also not be &quot;surprised&quot; (and I&#039;ll be disappointed to encounter any expression of surprise, later, by you, were we subjected to it) to see the surtax threshold and definition of &quot;wealthy&quot; (in this case, as is customary, actually meaning a high income) begin to be reduced, broadening the tax base (once it is again &quot;discovered&quot; tardily and reluctantly that there aren&#039;t enough &quot;rich&quot; otherwise to tax to raise the desired revenue).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, don&#039;t be surprised, or disparage, that the sun will appear to move from east to west tomorrow in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;incredibly revealing that a surtax on wealthy Americans to pay for continuing a war that has gone on for eight years now would be considered &#39;typical class warfare&#39; [unrelated material deleted]&#8220;</p>
<p>No, Kathy, but rather incredibly obvious.  Anyone who knows reality (and understands English) knows this already, too, and doesn&#39;t feel the need to reject reality and question it or reject it or disparage it.</p>
<p>You should also not be &#8220;surprised&#8221; (and I&#39;ll be disappointed to encounter any expression of surprise, later, by you, were we subjected to it) to see the surtax threshold and definition of &#8220;wealthy&#8221; (in this case, as is customary, actually meaning a high income) begin to be reduced, broadening the tax base (once it is again &#8220;discovered&#8221; tardily and reluctantly that there aren&#39;t enough &#8220;rich&#8221; otherwise to tax to raise the desired revenue).</p>
<p>Also, don&#39;t be surprised, or disparage, that the sun will appear to move from east to west tomorrow in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people advocate it, practical or not. No Deferments, means no Draft bill.  &quot;It&#039;s politics, stupid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people advocate it, practical or not. No Deferments, means no Draft bill.  &#8220;It&#39;s politics, stupid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233504</link>
		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A full-fledged draft never includes the wealthy. In order for a full-fledged draft to include the wealthy, it would have to include a no-deferments policy, and that&#039;s even less likely to happen than the draft itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A full-fledged draft never includes the wealthy. In order for a full-fledged draft to include the wealthy, it would have to include a no-deferments policy, and that&#39;s even less likely to happen than the draft itself.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, good point, MSF.</description>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233500</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does a surtax have to only be for &quot;wealthy Americans&quot;.  People here are talking about a full fledged Draft.  Wouldn&#039;t that include &quot;wealthy&quot; and not so?  So, if you are for a surtax, it might violate O&#039;s promise not to go below 250K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does a surtax have to only be for &#8220;wealthy Americans&#8221;.  People here are talking about a full fledged Draft.  Wouldn&#39;t that include &#8220;wealthy&#8221; and not so?  So, if you are for a surtax, it might violate O&#39;s promise not to go below 250K.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMagicalSkyFather</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233499</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMagicalSkyFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Class warfare only happens to the rich, because they are the only ones that own publications that say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Class warfare only happens to the rich, because they are the only ones that own publications that say so.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233498</link>
		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The &quot;surtax&quot; idea that&#039;s been mentioned in the news is typical class-warfare BS.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is so incredibly revealing that a surtax on wealthy Americans to pay for continuing a war that has gone on for eight years now would be considered &quot;typical class warfare,&quot; but cutting domestic spending to pay for the war would not be considered &quot;typical class warfare&quot; at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The &#8220;surtax&#8221; idea that&#39;s been mentioned in the news is typical class-warfare BS.</i></p>
<p>It is so incredibly revealing that a surtax on wealthy Americans to pay for continuing a war that has gone on for eight years now would be considered &#8220;typical class warfare,&#8221; but cutting domestic spending to pay for the war would not be considered &#8220;typical class warfare&#8221; at all.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233490</link>
		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referring more to our invasion and occupation of Iraq as a &quot;war of choice.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Afghanistan, at least the initial phases, we were going after the 9/11 perpetrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring more to our invasion and occupation of Iraq as a &#8220;war of choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Afghanistan, at least the initial phases, we were going after the 9/11 perpetrators.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233483</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we can get the OMB working on that &quot;cost&quot;.&lt;br&gt;BTW:  O said the Af/Pak  was a war of necessity, not choice.  I guess he didn&#039;t flip flop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we can get the OMB working on that &#8220;cost&#8221;.<br />BTW:  O said the Af/Pak  was a war of necessity, not choice.  I guess he didn&#39;t flip flop.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233481</link>
		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how much does it cost to set a draft up?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, I don&#039;t know this, albeit I am sure we can find out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I am willing to bet that the costs will pale when compared to the costs of one of our &quot;wars of choice,&quot; and I am not even talking about the human toll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how much does it cost to set a draft up?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, I don&#39;t know this, albeit I am sure we can find out.</p>
<p>But I am willing to bet that the costs will pale when compared to the costs of one of our &#8220;wars of choice,&#8221; and I am not even talking about the human toll.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Jspecer said: I don&#039;t think Americans as a whole have shared the sacrifice in any war since WWII, and that is, in a word, wrong. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, I believe, we had the draft until 1973, so the draft does not cure everything, and certainly not &quot;those who start and advance these wars&quot;.&lt;br&gt;BTW: Since we can just print more money, how much does it cost to set a draft up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Jspecer said: I don&#39;t think Americans as a whole have shared the sacrifice in any war since WWII, and that is, in a word, wrong. </p>
<p>And, I believe, we had the draft until 1973, so the draft does not cure everything, and certainly not &#8220;those who start and advance these wars&#8221;.<br />BTW: Since we can just print more money, how much does it cost to set a draft up?</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233477</link>
		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say it again, a universal military draft will hold most of the answer as to &quot;Who pays for it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We will then  find out how few are willing to pay for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sadly, because such an answer is not acceptable to  most of those who start and advance these wars, I realize we will not see such an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say it again, a universal military draft will hold most of the answer as to &#8220;Who pays for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>We will then  find out how few are willing to pay for it.</p>
<p>Sadly, because such an answer is not acceptable to  most of those who start and advance these wars, I realize we will not see such an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233476</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, casual, If one could earmark checks for specific purposes, then I would send a check.  However, I know that sending a check to any government is like giving a teenager a bottle of booze and the keys to the car.  I&#039;m not in a quandary, except when I try to be a moderate, and perhaps times have changed and the Dems, of which I am not, could do what they do best, namely dust off an old proposal and this time it might fly.&lt;br&gt;I did not vote for O and unlike many others of his own party, have a little more patience than they.&lt;br&gt;I think O should be commended for this move, because I believe he is listening, on this one, and not campaigning for a change. Furthermore, I think it took some balls to do this because it might lessen the possibility of a HCR bill (not enough money for a war on HCR and Af/Pak) which I am against (the current bill, not HCR).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, casual, If one could earmark checks for specific purposes, then I would send a check.  However, I know that sending a check to any government is like giving a teenager a bottle of booze and the keys to the car.  I&#39;m not in a quandary, except when I try to be a moderate, and perhaps times have changed and the Dems, of which I am not, could do what they do best, namely dust off an old proposal and this time it might fly.<br />I did not vote for O and unlike many others of his own party, have a little more patience than they.<br />I think O should be commended for this move, because I believe he is listening, on this one, and not campaigning for a change. Furthermore, I think it took some balls to do this because it might lessen the possibility of a HCR bill (not enough money for a war on HCR and Af/Pak) which I am against (the current bill, not HCR).</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Donald, I don&#039;t think the US Treasury will return your check if you happen to be the type of individual that is willing to put his money where his mouth is.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Then again, if you need the government to tell you what you should do, you&#039;re in a bit more of a quandry. I recall this same surtax being proposed by this same Dem rep in the same Dem majority House 2 years ago.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;If the Dems didn&#039;t have the chutzpah to raise it as a protest against George Bush, are you telling me they will now have the chutzpah to foist it upon dear leader, who already has a plurality against him for his handling of Afghanistan.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Oh yes, for the record, I am not in favor of the troop surge since the liberals will be sure to be writing articles about how the fiscal conservatives don&#039;t want to spend on healthcare, yet want to spend on Afghanistan. Sorry to disappoint.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Donald, I don&#39;t think the US Treasury will return your check if you happen to be the type of individual that is willing to put his money where his mouth is.</p>
<p>Then again, if you need the government to tell you what you should do, you&#39;re in a bit more of a quandry. I recall this same surtax being proposed by this same Dem rep in the same Dem majority House 2 years ago.</p>
<p>If the Dems didn&#39;t have the chutzpah to raise it as a protest against George Bush, are you telling me they will now have the chutzpah to foist it upon dear leader, who already has a plurality against him for his handling of Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Oh yes, for the record, I am not in favor of the troop surge since the liberals will be sure to be writing articles about how the fiscal conservatives don&#39;t want to spend on healthcare, yet want to spend on Afghanistan. Sorry to disappoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like he is opting mid way between the medium and high risk options McCrystal outlines.  Maybe he will send more and reduce the risk to better levels in the future, but it kinda reminds me of Rumsfeld not listening to Shinseki.  Have to wait and see.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://redirectingat.com/?id=593X1004&amp;url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.mcclatchydc.com%252F227%252Fstory%252F79380.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://redirectingat.com/?id=593X1004&amp;url=http%...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; The plan adopted by Obama would fall well short of the 80,000 troops McChrystal suggested in August as a &quot;low-risk option&quot; that would offer the best chance to contain the Taliban-led insurgency and stabilize Afghanistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It splits the difference between two other McChrystal options: a &quot;high-risk&quot; approach that called for 20,000 additional troops and a &quot;medium-risk&quot; option that would add 40,000 to 45,000 troops.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like he is opting mid way between the medium and high risk options McCrystal outlines.  Maybe he will send more and reduce the risk to better levels in the future, but it kinda reminds me of Rumsfeld not listening to Shinseki.  Have to wait and see.</p>
<p><a href="http://redirectingat.com/?id=593X1004&#038;url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.mcclatchydc.com%252F227%252Fstory%252F79380.html" rel="nofollow">http://redirectingat.com/?id=593X1004&#038;url=http%&#8230;</a><br />
<blockquote> The plan adopted by Obama would fall well short of the 80,000 troops McChrystal suggested in August as a &#8220;low-risk option&#8221; that would offer the best chance to contain the Taliban-led insurgency and stabilize Afghanistan.</p>
<p>It splits the difference between two other McChrystal options: a &#8220;high-risk&#8221; approach that called for 20,000 additional troops and a &#8220;medium-risk&#8221; option that would add 40,000 to 45,000 troops.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome chief, I &lt;I&gt;hope&lt;/I&gt; you aren&#039;t right but I&#039;m afraid you will be. I don&#039;t think Americans as a whole have shared the sacrifice in any war since WWII, and that is, in a word, &lt;B&gt;wrong&lt;/B&gt;. As we can see even in this thread, there a people who are fine with that disconnect from shared accountability. How will we ever have a country that is unified when there are so many forces dedicated to seeing it remain divided?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome chief, I <i>hope</i> you aren&#39;t right but I&#39;m afraid you will be. I don&#39;t think Americans as a whole have shared the sacrifice in any war since WWII, and that is, in a word, <b>wrong</b>. As we can see even in this thread, there a people who are fine with that disconnect from shared accountability. How will we ever have a country that is unified when there are so many forces dedicated to seeing it remain divided?</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are all going to pay for the wars and all the other &#039;big&quot; problems that the government needs to fix, regardless of surtax or not.  I have no problem with a surtax, however, since it focuses on the wars and perhaps could do some good especially if the monies would be used exclusively for the troops problems that are underfunded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all going to pay for the wars and all the other &#39;big&#8221; problems that the government needs to fix, regardless of surtax or not.  I have no problem with a surtax, however, since it focuses on the wars and perhaps could do some good especially if the monies would be used exclusively for the troops problems that are underfunded.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfElwood</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/54155/the-cost-of-war-and-who-pays-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233432</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfElwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more curious as to why we&#039;re still hearing about Rockerfellers, but yes, those are interesting also. The Bush family history is a subject in and of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m more curious as to why we&#39;re still hearing about Rockerfellers, but yes, those are interesting also. The Bush family history is a subject in and of itself.</p>
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