Comments on: Health Care Bill Goes to the Senate Floor

By: adelinesdad

adelinesdad — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:59:11 +0000

“That's not what Lieberman said before the vote… Now he's saying he was talking about the final vote?”

The link I provided was from October 27th.

By: kathykattenburg

kathykattenburg — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:32:27 +0000

Please. That's not what Lieberman said before the vote. He's a liar. He said at least 3 or 4 times that he planned to “use his power as the 60th vote” to stop the bill from getting to the Senate floor, if it had a public option. Now he's saying he was talking about the final vote? Give me a break. That is simply not true.

By: kathykattenburg

kathykattenburg — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:29:13 +0000

I realize all that, Patrick, but none of those further votes would have been possible if the entire process had ended on Sat. night.

By: keelaay

keelaay — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:08:02 +0000

I figured it would draw a response. Ouch, that really hurts. I remember that dig from junior high school!! I wonder how Pee Wee Hermann would respond?

“I know are you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? Infinity!!”

By: keelaay

keelaay — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:03:18 +0000

Ouch… that really hurts. I remember that dig from grade school!! And Pee Wee Herman too of course.

“I know are you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? Infinity!!”

By: dduck12

dduck12 — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:49:26 +0000

Takes one to know one.

By: Leonidas

Leonidas — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:38:15 +0000

I see nothing wrong with opening the debate, thats not where to draw the battle lines.

By: keelaay

keelaay — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:56:54 +0000

OK. Makes sense. Then he remains, IMHO, an asshole. But at least consistently an asshole. (sorry for the profanity, but for Lieberman, hard for me to find anything else…)

By: adelinesdad

adelinesdad — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:50:40 +0000

Keelaay, there are two cloture votes--one to begin debate and the other to end it. Lierberman said he would vote for the first one but not the second, at least not for the bill in its current form: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/lieber...

"What I said this morning and what I've said to Senator Reid is that I'm inclined to vote for cloture on the motion to proceed to a debate on health care reform, because I believe we need to have a debate on health care reform and I hope to be in a position to vote yes on health care reform. But, I've also said that if the current proposal remains as it is unamended, before the final vote on the floor, that I will not vote for cloture."

So, the Lieberman vote was not news.

By: Patrick E

Patrick E — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:49:15 +0000

Actually several senators who voted for cloture to *start* debate have made it clear they will vote against cloture to *end* debate as well as any subsequent bill should it contain a public option.

Remember this is only vote #1. They still need to vote to end debate (cloture) and then when the conference bill comes back they have the same issue.

At least that is my understanding based on the current Senate rules (and per Huffington Post comments, which presumably would not be biased to the right)

By: keelaay

keelaay — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:37:02 +0000

Last I checked this bill has a public option and Lieberman voted for cloture. He caught tons of shit (deservedly IMHO) on this blog and got tons of press for declaring he would vote against. Why did he have (another) change of heart? and… interesting to see so little coverage of his vote now.