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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53661/why-republicans-should-vote-yes-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-232755</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why vote to debate a bill that is designed to fail so that the left side of the Democratic Party can get want it really wants, single payer with the government in control of all aspects of healthcare.  The current bill is desgiend to leave millions without insurance and to have the public option be too expensive.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The next step will be to use tax dollars to subsize the public option so that the insurance companies can be put out of business.  The last step will be to lower reimbursements so that only minorities and recent immigrants will be left working in healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why vote to debate a bill that is designed to fail so that the left side of the Democratic Party can get want it really wants, single payer with the government in control of all aspects of healthcare.  The current bill is desgiend to leave millions without insurance and to have the public option be too expensive.  </p>
<p>The next step will be to use tax dollars to subsize the public option so that the insurance companies can be put out of business.  The last step will be to lower reimbursements so that only minorities and recent immigrants will be left working in healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53661/why-republicans-should-vote-yes-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-232719</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t think most Americans are that naive.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ObamaCo and the Congre-Dems think so -- or that we&#039;re all gullible or will accept whatever they do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At this point, we know the Senate Demmies will play their games, and I simply await not the next Senate vote after the very predictable vote today, but the conference.  That they&#039;re progressing is no surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#39;t think most Americans are that naive.&#8221;</p>
<p>ObamaCo and the Congre-Dems think so &#8212; or that we&#39;re all gullible or will accept whatever they do.</p>
<p>At this point, we know the Senate Demmies will play their games, and I simply await not the next Senate vote after the very predictable vote today, but the conference.  That they&#39;re progressing is no surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: alphonsegaston</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphonsegaston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why bother.  The bill is so weak that it might just turn to dust upon being exposed to light.  We need a single payer system, Medicare for all.  Anything else is an unholy mess. The Senators especially have put politics above the good of the country and I don&#039;t see them actually doing the job.  Let&#039;s get this past us so they can figure how much to spend in our useless wars and how to block judicial nominees, thus making good service to the country from the juduciary impossible because of vacancies.  And other important things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why bother.  The bill is so weak that it might just turn to dust upon being exposed to light.  We need a single payer system, Medicare for all.  Anything else is an unholy mess. The Senators especially have put politics above the good of the country and I don&#39;t see them actually doing the job.  Let&#39;s get this past us so they can figure how much to spend in our useless wars and how to block judicial nominees, thus making good service to the country from the juduciary impossible because of vacancies.  And other important things.</p>
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		<title>By: adelinesdad</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53661/why-republicans-should-vote-yes-tomorrow/comment-page-1/#comment-232634</link>
		<dc:creator>adelinesdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree Jazz.  After complaining about not having time to consider the bill, etc, I think it wouldn&#039;t look very good to vote against starting the process of considering the bill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But even besides that, I think it makes sense politically.  No one would would vote &quot;No&quot; today is going to change their mind and vote &quot;Yes&quot; later (I understand another procedural vote would happen after the debate that would also require 60 votes).  But, with a few weeks of debate, and a few weeks of the public getting a taste of the bill, a few people who would vote &quot;Yes&quot; today might vote &quot;No&quot; in a few weeks.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, instead of the bill failing with 59 votes today, it could fail with 55 votes in a few weeks.  If a few moderate Democrats bail out then it helps the Republican image because it bolsters the argument that they are opposing the bill for legitimate reasons and not just political ones.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s enough raw political analysis for me.  I feel so dirty.  I need to go take a shower or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree Jazz.  After complaining about not having time to consider the bill, etc, I think it wouldn&#39;t look very good to vote against starting the process of considering the bill.</p>
<p>But even besides that, I think it makes sense politically.  No one would would vote &#8220;No&#8221; today is going to change their mind and vote &#8220;Yes&#8221; later (I understand another procedural vote would happen after the debate that would also require 60 votes).  But, with a few weeks of debate, and a few weeks of the public getting a taste of the bill, a few people who would vote &#8220;Yes&#8221; today might vote &#8220;No&#8221; in a few weeks.  </p>
<p>So, instead of the bill failing with 59 votes today, it could fail with 55 votes in a few weeks.  If a few moderate Democrats bail out then it helps the Republican image because it bolsters the argument that they are opposing the bill for legitimate reasons and not just political ones.</p>
<p>That&#39;s enough raw political analysis for me.  I feel so dirty.  I need to go take a shower or something.</p>
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		<title>By: merkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>merkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should debate this bill now. Then in another ten years, when health care is 25% of the GDP, when half the country doesn&#039;t have health insurance, we can think back fondly to when we almost passed HCR. And we will be proud we prevented the government from taking over health care, leaving it in the benevolent hands of the private insurance companies.  Proud but broke. And really sick of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should debate this bill now. Then in another ten years, when health care is 25% of the GDP, when half the country doesn&#39;t have health insurance, we can think back fondly to when we almost passed HCR. And we will be proud we prevented the government from taking over health care, leaving it in the benevolent hands of the private insurance companies.  Proud but broke. And really sick of course.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMav</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaMav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like the poultry on Colonel Sander&#039;s chicken farm urging them to move to the next step in the process in the hopes that there can be an open debate on the end result.  I don&#039;t think most Americans are that naive.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What open debate?  10 hours on a 2000+ page bill?  What amendments?  Reid has already bought off as many votes as needed to pass a bill.  After that it&#039;s a behind closed doors sausage making operation with a push to pass whatever the Democrat leadership wants under reconciliation.  Any delay in ramming this down our throats is at the very least a delay in having it rammed down our throats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like the poultry on Colonel Sander&#39;s chicken farm urging them to move to the next step in the process in the hopes that there can be an open debate on the end result.  I don&#39;t think most Americans are that naive.  </p>
<p>What open debate?  10 hours on a 2000+ page bill?  What amendments?  Reid has already bought off as many votes as needed to pass a bill.  After that it&#39;s a behind closed doors sausage making operation with a push to pass whatever the Democrat leadership wants under reconciliation.  Any delay in ramming this down our throats is at the very least a delay in having it rammed down our throats.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, perhaps the bill could be tweaked a little before opening debate.  If nothing else, just to show the Reps that the Dems are a little flexible.  Or, maybe, that stage has already passed.  If so, let the debate begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know, perhaps the bill could be tweaked a little before opening debate.  If nothing else, just to show the Reps that the Dems are a little flexible.  Or, maybe, that stage has already passed.  If so, let the debate begin.</p>
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