So, people are talking more about deficits when they're three times the previous

How Trillion-Dollar Deficits Were Created

As you can see in the above chart that most of the Deficit was created by Bush and the Recession…

And when this deficit was being created, Conservatives/Republicans with a handful of honorable exception didn't say anything, but now that a Democrat is in the White House dealing with their fuckups, they are all screaming bloody murder, attempting to blame the Democrat for their fuckups.

In conclusion for most Republicans/Conservative the Debt is only an issue when a Democrat is in the White House and said Debt created by Republicans/Conservative is to be used to stymie his agenda.

I put Bush Spending Record as a search criteria in Google and I ended up with 9,850,000 hits.
I put Obama Spending Record as a search criteria in Google and I ended up with 9,050,000 hits.

Obama hasn't been in office a full year yet.

No, don't be silly: that that was from the first page of the search on Google, which is why I gave the search criteria. There were 1,270,000 hits altogether, but I'm not going to waste a lot of time going through them. You asked for some; I gave you some — and a quick and easy way to find more. Obviously, you've made up your mind and dutifully trying to shield yourself from reality in order to maintain your position.

The point is pointless. I will say it again, one group's insanity does not justify another. The really sick thing about this side trek is that I was originally trying to find areas of agreement, and we end up right where the thread (“pointy fingers”) said we would.

If you didn't hear or read about conservatives complaining, it's because you don't read conservative opinions.

is that all you could find for a seven year period? Two Libertarians pieces, a World Nut Daily piece and an article in Pravda on the Potomac?

I could probably find more complaints about Obama's Deficit and Budget in the last month's posts on TMV.

Bush the Budget Buster
http://reason.com/archives/2005/10/19/bush-the-…

Bush Beats Johnson: Comparing the Presidents
http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0510-26.pdf

(I found the Reagan part funny, but it was still a criticism)
Bush spending up to 5 times more than Clinton
Reagan Revolution architect calls it 'era of obese government'
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=…

Conservatives Criticize Bush on Spending
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40090…

Where are those links to posts written by conservatives about the budget deficit and the debt written between 2000 and 2007?

Still waiting…

Certainly in the case of the Obama administration, especially after they said they understood the (long overdue) need for entitlement reform (Social Security and Medicare are unsustainable),

In 1983 Alan Greenspan and company restructure the funding mechanism of Social Security so that between my employer and I would put 15% of my gross income into the trust fund, this trust fund now has over $2.5 trillion dollars in it. Republicans have used that money to give tax breaks to their rich buddies and make believe that the budget deficit was not as big as it really was. I have been working since 1978, and have paid social security tax every year, as have millions of other people most of whom have no other retirement funds. If you want a full blown revolution, go touch my Social Security.

PS. if the rest of the government finances were in as good of a shape as Social Security, we would not be in this pickle.

That was 2007, the last year that we were merely overspending.

I could not find anything more recent without spending more time looking, my google-fu isn't that powerful. None the less, the 2007 Budget does reflect our structural issues, we are now in the middle of the worse recession since WWII, after it ends (if it ends) we should be back to a 2007 Budget like situation.

and different ways to tax the computer-generated trading on Wall Street,

A nice Pigouvian tax would resolve that issue.

No, the middle class will get the brunt of all new taxes, as they always have.

No they won't, the Middle Class is broke, it has been thoroughly decimated by the last 30 years of Republican policies.

There must be some money at the top and a way to structure the taxes to get it fairly, but unfortunately, that's the same people who are running the government, so I don't see it happening without a complete changeover.

Time to start electing Naderites, people like Kucinich, Spitzer, Dean and time to stop electing Republicans which are the people who got us in this mess.

Certainly in the case of the Obama administration, especially after they said they understood the (long overdue) need for entitlement reform (Social Security and Medicare are unsustainable), and vowed to do something about it. So far, they have neglected to reform and rescue it at all, which gives them a record identical to the Dems during the Bush years who actively insisted on doing nothing to save these two programs.

Eventually something will give, or yield, with Social Security and Medicare (even if the current politicians manage to delay it just a little longer, until they have retired securely), and it will be a combination of tax increases and benefit and cost growth controls and even some actual or effective reductions, someday.

Obviously, you favor higher taxes and more control, where I favor spending cuts. The only part that I can agree with is the legalization of drugs, at least enough to kill the black market.

Higher taxes, yes… Not that I am crazy about them, it's just that don't see where half a trillion dollars worth of spending cuts can be found that won't screw the poor, the working class and the middle class.

Here is a chart of the 2007 Federal Budget Pie Chart 2007

8% Debt + 21% Social Security + 23% Medicaid/Medicare = 52% of the Budget that is untouchable.
You're left with Defense and Discretionary to cut.

Not control, equity…
I don't see why some rich F**K can invest a few million at the beginning of the year, cash out at the end of the year make 100k in capital gains and pay a 15% tax rate while I go to work make 100k and then pay 30% income tax…

Obviously, you favor higher taxes and more control, where I favor spending cuts. The only part that I can agree with is the legalization of drugs, at least enough to kill the black market.

Not to spend too much time on something related other than the debt, but in addition to the angry griping on the Thom Hartmann show wanting a “people's bank” created by the federal government, to address the current and future concerns of the public, Ed Schultz discussed something rare, looking instead to the states (constitutional federalism being viewed so contemptuously these days) and having states run their own state banks, at low interest rates, and address some financial concerns of the public even if doesn't include increasingly devalued currency (with a much worse inflation-devaluation threat on the far horizon).

0. Public funding of all Federal Elections.

7. Create a new income tax bracket 70% for all income above 10 million.
8. Raise taxes on gasoline ( at least $2 per gallon)
9. Legalize drugs, tax them. (That will end a couple of nasty little wars and insurgencies)
10. Tax Labor and Capital income to the same rate.
11. Come up with a single payer health-care system, paid out of income taxes that guarantees a predefined level of health-care, Regulate health insurance companies( No Cherry Picking, Statewide community rates ), make them into non-profits, force them to standardize their policies so that customers can understand what they are buying. then get rid of Medicaid, Medicare and the VA.
12. Force all hospitals to be Not for Profit organizations.
13. Let municipalities create their own broadband networks.

Now my question for all the people who are so deeply concerned about the National Debt, why didn't we hear a peep out of you during the 8 years Shrub was in office?

Or is it that the Debt is only an issue when a Democrat is in the White House and the Debt can now be used to stymie his agenda?

Conservatives on this site keep telling me that they either wrote or read articles on the Debt and the Deficit writen by conservatives prior to Obama winning the election, so my challenge to these conservatives (DLS, CStanley, Leonodas, casualobserver, etc.. ) on this site is simple and straightforward:

Find articles written by conservatives that are about the deficit or the debt written between 2000 and 2007 and post links to them…

Shouldn't be to much of a challenge since according to you guys it was a concern amongst Conservatives…

We did that it was called the 90's

did we? Or did we just have higher revenues with the tech bubble?

http://perotcharts.com/images/challenges/challe…

1. End all corporate welfare.
2. No more bailouts. End the current ones. If a bank is too big to fail, break it into “failable” units.
3. If a GSE needs more money to survive, start writing the eulogy.
4. Take back the Fed. That alone would a portion of our debt, and allow the government to receive the money that's going to the current owners at this time. It would also force normal transparency laws into its operations.
5. End the current war, then cut back on the military.
6. Get some of those corporate “butchers” to reorganize all current bureaus.

Feel free to add to the list.