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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232571</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ask you to clarify what you meant, and you keep calling me stupid and saying &quot;it&#039;s self-explanatory&quot; in order to put off actually coming up with one single example of feminists&#039; incorrect redefinition of rape, and somehow I&#039;m the one who needs to grow up and stop playing games?  One example, DLS; I can&#039;t think of any -- if you can, I&#039;ll gladly concede that you were right and I was wrong.  Or don&#039;t.  It&#039;s been plenty fun for me to watch you flounder and avoid when you pull such random off-topic BS out of your bum and have nothing to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask you to clarify what you meant, and you keep calling me stupid and saying &#8220;it&#39;s self-explanatory&#8221; in order to put off actually coming up with one single example of feminists&#39; incorrect redefinition of rape, and somehow I&#39;m the one who needs to grow up and stop playing games?  One example, DLS; I can&#39;t think of any &#8212; if you can, I&#39;ll gladly concede that you were right and I was wrong.  Or don&#39;t.  It&#39;s been plenty fun for me to watch you flounder and avoid when you pull such random off-topic BS out of your bum and have nothing to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232555</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;ll have to conclude&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You already concluded what matters to you.  As to the rest, grow up and don&#039;t play games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#39;ll have to conclude&#8221;</p>
<p>You already concluded what matters to you.  As to the rest, grow up and don&#39;t play games.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232496</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine, DLS.  I&#039;ll have to conclude then that you can&#039;t name an instance in which feminists have tried to redefine rape in a way that you disagree with.  The reason I asked is that I honestly can&#039;t think of a relevant situation, where feminists define &quot;rape&quot; in a way other than &quot;non-consentual sexual activity involving penetration.&quot;  But hey, if it makes you feel better to try to deride me as being purposefully dense instead of just explaining what you meant, suit yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, DLS.  I&#39;ll have to conclude then that you can&#39;t name an instance in which feminists have tried to redefine rape in a way that you disagree with.  The reason I asked is that I honestly can&#39;t think of a relevant situation, where feminists define &#8220;rape&#8221; in a way other than &#8220;non-consentual sexual activity involving penetration.&#8221;  But hey, if it makes you feel better to try to deride me as being purposefully dense instead of just explaining what you meant, suit yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232492</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I wrote is obviously self-explanatory.  Your cheap shots, that backfire and otherwise go nowhere, didn&#039;t help you (this time, either).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I wrote is obviously self-explanatory.  Your cheap shots, that backfire and otherwise go nowhere, didn&#39;t help you (this time, either).</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232487</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is this stalling for time or just a stunt hoping for trivial typographical, etc., errors in my answer?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not at all, DLS, don&#039;t get so emotional about it.  I&#039;m just asking what you meant by the comment.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;needs no elaboration or qualification.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously I&#039;m so stupid that you need to make it more clear to me.  Otherwise, I&#039;m going to just conclude that it was a fully dishonest statement with no back-up merely meant to express your dislike of feminists. Of course, it&#039;s just my stupidity and craziness that&#039;s to blame for this, but maybe throw me a bone and indulge my ignorance nonetheless.  It would be much appreciated. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;anything offending a bizarre extreme insistence on radical egalitarianism&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ah yes, that bizarre thought that all people are created equal is so radical.  And those of us who think that obviously belong in a rubber-room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is this stalling for time or just a stunt hoping for trivial typographical, etc., errors in my answer?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all, DLS, don&#39;t get so emotional about it.  I&#39;m just asking what you meant by the comment.  </p>
<p>&#8220;needs no elaboration or qualification.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously I&#39;m so stupid that you need to make it more clear to me.  Otherwise, I&#39;m going to just conclude that it was a fully dishonest statement with no back-up merely meant to express your dislike of feminists. Of course, it&#39;s just my stupidity and craziness that&#39;s to blame for this, but maybe throw me a bone and indulge my ignorance nonetheless.  It would be much appreciated. </p>
<p>&#8220;anything offending a bizarre extreme insistence on radical egalitarianism&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah yes, that bizarre thought that all people are created equal is so radical.  And those of us who think that obviously belong in a rubber-room.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232485</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What have those crazy radical feminists doing to the word &#039;rape&#039; that you object to?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are you really claiming you are a (relative) expert on the nomenclature as well as the concepts, and then you ask the question?  Is this stalling for time or just a stunt hoping for trivial typographical, etc., errors in my answer?  (Like wasting time asking for &quot;studies&quot; to which someone is already planning to dispute)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What radical feminists have done to expand the scope of the word, as McKinnon has done, needs no elaboration or qualification.  (The same is true for the mentally ill intentional &quot;detection&quot; or &quot;discovery&quot; of racism and sexism and anything offending a bizarre extreme insistence on radical egalitarianism, of bogus findings of &quot;privilege&quot; and &#039;oppression,&quot; anywhere and everywhere -- truly rubber-room obscession-and-worse material, even if it may be published.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What have those crazy radical feminists doing to the word &#39;rape&#39; that you object to?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you really claiming you are a (relative) expert on the nomenclature as well as the concepts, and then you ask the question?  Is this stalling for time or just a stunt hoping for trivial typographical, etc., errors in my answer?  (Like wasting time asking for &#8220;studies&#8221; to which someone is already planning to dispute)</p>
<p>What radical feminists have done to expand the scope of the word, as McKinnon has done, needs no elaboration or qualification.  (The same is true for the mentally ill intentional &#8220;detection&#8221; or &#8220;discovery&#8221; of racism and sexism and anything offending a bizarre extreme insistence on radical egalitarianism, of bogus findings of &#8220;privilege&#8221; and &#39;oppression,&#8221; anywhere and everywhere &#8212; truly rubber-room obscession-and-worse material, even if it may be published.)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232452</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The story isn&#039;t really about rape, it&#039;s about rumors.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And more -- perhaps evasion of responsibility, or at the least (and more likely), mistaking the facts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That doesn&#039;t stop all kinds of characters from engaging in their related plays, however.  It encourages them.  [sigh]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The story isn&#39;t really about rape, it&#39;s about rumors.&#8221;</p>
<p>And more &#8212; perhaps evasion of responsibility, or at the least (and more likely), mistaking the facts.</p>
<p>That doesn&#39;t stop all kinds of characters from engaging in their related plays, however.  It encourages them.  [sigh]</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232449</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t know what data you&#039;re basing them on&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Years of training in rape prevention and rape counceling; plus actually being a young woman with hundreds of young woman friends. Basically, after all this time and maybe a hundred studies read, if someone&#039;s gathering data and their conclusion from that data is &quot;young women are either stupid or are lying sluts&quot;, I can pretty much tell you that something&#039;s wrong in either the data or the way it&#039;s being interpreted. Now, it&#039;s hard to tell from the abstract linked to whether or not that&#039;s what these scientists are concluding -- in fact, there&#039;s no indication of anything involving a &quot;bad night out&quot; at all from the abstract -- but it certainly comes through in Joe&#039;s interpretation of this study. I don&#039;t seem to have access to the full study, so I can&#039;t say for sure whether this interpretation comes from those who gathered the data or from Joe, so my objection is simply to what&#039;s written in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#39;t know what data you&#39;re basing them on&#8221;</p>
<p>Years of training in rape prevention and rape counceling; plus actually being a young woman with hundreds of young woman friends. Basically, after all this time and maybe a hundred studies read, if someone&#39;s gathering data and their conclusion from that data is &#8220;young women are either stupid or are lying sluts&#8221;, I can pretty much tell you that something&#39;s wrong in either the data or the way it&#39;s being interpreted. Now, it&#39;s hard to tell from the abstract linked to whether or not that&#39;s what these scientists are concluding &#8212; in fact, there&#39;s no indication of anything involving a &#8220;bad night out&#8221; at all from the abstract &#8212; but it certainly comes through in Joe&#39;s interpretation of this study. I don&#39;t seem to have access to the full study, so I can&#39;t say for sure whether this interpretation comes from those who gathered the data or from Joe, so my objection is simply to what&#39;s written in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232448</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>duplicate post</description>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roro, those are rather broad statements, and I don&#039;t know what data you&#039;re basing them on.  Obviously these researchers went out and collected a bunch of data and came to a different conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roro, those are rather broad statements, and I don&#39;t know what data you&#39;re basing them on.  Obviously these researchers went out and collected a bunch of data and came to a different conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232436</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232435</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr J -- It&#039;s very possible that men who don&#039;t use date rape drugs to victimize people really don&#039;t understand what it&#039;s like to be drugged.  Most young women do, due to personal experience or because most college age women know someone who has been drugged.  It&#039;s not akin to having a few too many and making some bad decisions.  It&#039;s more like you downed 14 shots of vodka in an hour (I know this because I&#039;ve both downed 14 shots of vodka in a hour and been drugged.)  I know it&#039;s hard to fathom, but most young women actually have a good deal of drinking experience, and can tell the difference.  &#039;Cause they&#039;re not idiots. There&#039;s certainly an upswing in stupid-hammered-binge drinking among both college aged women and men, and that could be the reason for this data, but let&#039;s not make the mistake in thinking that young women are just too stupid to know the difference between being passed out and raped and just being too tipsy to make good decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr J &#8212; It&#39;s very possible that men who don&#39;t use date rape drugs to victimize people really don&#39;t understand what it&#39;s like to be drugged.  Most young women do, due to personal experience or because most college age women know someone who has been drugged.  It&#39;s not akin to having a few too many and making some bad decisions.  It&#39;s more like you downed 14 shots of vodka in an hour (I know this because I&#39;ve both downed 14 shots of vodka in a hour and been drugged.)  I know it&#39;s hard to fathom, but most young women actually have a good deal of drinking experience, and can tell the difference.  &#39;Cause they&#39;re not idiots. There&#39;s certainly an upswing in stupid-hammered-binge drinking among both college aged women and men, and that could be the reason for this data, but let&#39;s not make the mistake in thinking that young women are just too stupid to know the difference between being passed out and raped and just being too tipsy to make good decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: ElZagna</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232429</link>
		<dc:creator>ElZagna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but these are questions I often ask when the issue of what is or isn&#039;t rape comes up. It&#039;s amazing how many people have never thought it through. In retrospect, it all seems rather tangential to the article in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but these are questions I often ask when the issue of what is or isn&#39;t rape comes up. It&#39;s amazing how many people have never thought it through. In retrospect, it all seems rather tangential to the article in question.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232427</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m serious DLS, not &quot;emotional&quot; at all.  What have those crazy radical feminists doing to the word &quot;rape&quot; that you object to?  (BTW, the term &quot;radical feminists&quot; or &quot;radfems&quot; is a fairly specific group within the feminist community, and it could be confusing to those who know the terminology if you use the term as you did.  No biggie, just FYI.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#39;m serious DLS, not &#8220;emotional&#8221; at all.  What have those crazy radical feminists doing to the word &#8220;rape&#8221; that you object to?  (BTW, the term &#8220;radical feminists&#8221; or &#8220;radfems&#8221; is a fairly specific group within the feminist community, and it could be confusing to those who know the terminology if you use the term as you did.  No biggie, just FYI.)</p>
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		<title>By: JWindish</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232316</link>
		<dc:creator>JWindish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right. I changed the title of the post. I threw it up in a hurry and had originally called it the fake GHB epidemic. I should have left it. For simplicity and to correct that error I just added the word drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right. I changed the title of the post. I threw it up in a hurry and had originally called it the fake GHB epidemic. I should have left it. For simplicity and to correct that error I just added the word drug.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232300</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The post talks about women so incapacitated that they think they were drugged and were raped.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, that&#039;s not clear.  The story isn&#039;t really about rape, it&#039;s about rumors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not that hard to imagine someone being incapacitated enough to say &quot;yes&quot; when they really mean &quot;no&quot;--or will decide they had meant &quot;no&quot; the next day--without being passed out.  And if both people are in that state, you obviously can&#039;t accuse both of them of rape.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;IMHO people bear primary responsibility for what they imbibe and the decisions they make afterwards.  Which is obviously not to green-light violent rape under any circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The post talks about women so incapacitated that they think they were drugged and were raped.</i></p>
<p>Well, that&#39;s not clear.  The story isn&#39;t really about rape, it&#39;s about rumors.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not that hard to imagine someone being incapacitated enough to say &#8220;yes&#8221; when they really mean &#8220;no&#8221;&#8211;or will decide they had meant &#8220;no&#8221; the next day&#8211;without being passed out.  And if both people are in that state, you obviously can&#39;t accuse both of them of rape.</p>
<p>IMHO people bear primary responsibility for what they imbibe and the decisions they make afterwards.  Which is obviously not to green-light violent rape under any circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232278</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, you&#039;re -- emotional tonight.  [shaking head]  Calm down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not advocating any re-definition of rape -- obviously(!).  Don&#039;t be bizarre just because I remarked earlier about the ridiculous extremes some radical feminists have taken in re-defining what &quot;rape&quot; is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, you&#39;re &#8212; emotional tonight.  [shaking head]  Calm down.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not advocating any re-definition of rape &#8212; obviously(!).  Don&#39;t be bizarre just because I remarked earlier about the ridiculous extremes some radical feminists have taken in re-defining what &#8220;rape&#8221; is.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232273</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, DLS, I&#039;d just *love* to hear what you think the &quot;new&quot; definition of rape shouldn&#039;t include.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, DLS, I&#39;d just *love* to hear what you think the &#8220;new&#8221; definition of rape shouldn&#39;t include.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232258</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many are in &quot;active denial&quot; that drinking large amounts of alcohol can leave them &quot;incoherent and incapacitated&quot;, the Kent University researchers concluded. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Roro80 is right about being too incapacitated to consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many are in &#8220;active denial&#8221; that drinking large amounts of alcohol can leave them &#8220;incoherent and incapacitated&#8221;, the Kent University researchers concluded. </p></blockquote>
<p>Roro80 is right about being too incapacitated to consent.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/53474/the-fake-date-rape-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-232252</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to say what this is.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s extreme femininist BS-hype like what we were treated to in the States some years ago (where everything possible fell under a grossly inflated new definition of the word &quot;rape&quot;).  Rather, it&#039;s a question of whether it&#039;s trying extra hard to invent excuses for what one has done, i.e., to evade responsibility, or just to be more hip (or less embarrassed) than to admit drinking too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s hard to say what this is.  I don&#39;t think it&#39;s extreme femininist BS-hype like what we were treated to in the States some years ago (where everything possible fell under a grossly inflated new definition of the word &#8220;rape&#8221;).  Rather, it&#39;s a question of whether it&#39;s trying extra hard to invent excuses for what one has done, i.e., to evade responsibility, or just to be more hip (or less embarrassed) than to admit drinking too much.</p>
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