On 6 September 1999, the High Court of Justice gave its decision in a number of petitions against the State of Israel and the ISA, in which the petitioners requested the High Court to prohibit the use of certain interrogation methods that constitute ill-treatment and even torture. At the time, the government permitted the ISA to use these methods, in reliance on the recommendations of the commission of inquiry headed by the retired Supreme Court Justice Moshe Landau. The Commission held that ISA interrogators were allowed, based on the necessity exception in Penal Law, to use “psychological pressure” and a “moderate degree of physical pressure” in cases of hostile terrorist activity.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Israel…
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Pol…

The Israelis Supreme Court barred torture. For all there faults, the Israelis did ban torture. So much for torture and the ticking time bomb, at least in Israel.
On 6 September 1999, the High Court of Justice gave its decision in a number of petitions against the State of Israel and the ISA, in which the petitioners requested the High Court to prohibit the use of certain interrogation methods that constitute ill-treatment and even torture. At the time, the government permitted the ISA to use these methods, in reliance on the recommendations of the commission of inquiry headed by the retired Supreme Court Justice Moshe Landau. The Commission held that ISA interrogators were allowed, based on the necessity exception in Penal Law, to use “psychological pressure” and a “moderate degree of physical pressure” in cases of hostile terrorist activity.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Israel…
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Pol…

Yes, and if you scroll up and actually read my very brief reply to F_T, you will see that I had no idea what he meant by “symbolic triangle.” So far, he has not clarified.

Since you apparently understand what he meant, perhaps YOU can explain. And then next maybe you can explain the connection to my point, above, that a secret C.I.A. black site found in Lithuania is a slap in the face to victims of the Holocaust.

Feel free to ignore the subject.

The ammorality of this program did not recognize, care about or consider bounds of decency.

If you really are that “challenged”: I (obviously — or at least, it should be obvious) don't approve of torture. Nor (obviously…) was I upset that one “black” torture site may be exposed.

Enough remedial education, already.

Would you please state clearly whether or not you think the CIA having a torture chamber in Lithuania is a good idea or not and why? Or is it that you are mad that it was exposed?

And please, no glib siderails, tangents or diversions. Just answer the question. Do you think the CIA having a torture chamber in Lithuania is a good idea or not and why?

This is not about “winning the debate” by “dragging the SS into it.” Not for me, at least. You can take what I wrote in the post at face value, because that's how I meant it. No ulterior motives.

Torture chamber = very bad and illegal.

We don't need to drag the SS into the debate in order to win it. It is morally wrong for the US to have torture bases anywhere for any reason.

Good job! Good for a Hollywood movie, too. To think I was satisfied with various sites in Vernon or Cudahy, in the industrial part of Los Angeles County, when I ride through it on Amtrak in the past…

There is fancy riding and polo playing to be found near Washington, DC. Why not do it there, guys?

I don't have the slightest what this means. Symbolic triangle? Huh?

What is going on with the internet, new unfettered flow of information is evil's worst enemy: exposure. It's not that the men and women [OK, mostly men] who are at the top and evil are necessarily bad. It is something inside of them that has gone rotten. Greed, lust for power and overweening ambition long ago sang their soothing charm. The more power they got, the more they liked it. And the snowball effect, the gradual and invisible eroding of their souls shaped them into the monsters they are today.

It could happen to anyone really. So singling out this or that person, this or that agency, this or that nation only serves to divert the real issue at hand. We always think: “this couldn't happen to me”. But it could at any time. If we think of ourselves as somehow different from “them”, then their unsavory ways are still foreign to us.

These people, these bad men who feel entitled to subjegate others and torture them, as if their own slate was clean, or their skin color or religion or nationality or secret brotherhood somehow was their “devine right” to do so…their fates are much worse than those they torture. They should pray to be so lucky…The pity is that few of us will see what lies in wait for them. If we could somehow see that now, not a single one of us would ever be tempted to stray in the direction they're going. There is a reason for lulling them into a false sense of security and righteousness. We are here to face the choice of debauchery over benevolence without any apparent consequences, at first..

How else could we be trusted if not given the choice that seems the most pleasurable, the easiest, the most rewarding even if at the expense of others? It is the weeding ground of sociopaths and angels and none of us are exempt from the final tally.