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Don’t Let Abortion Destroy Health Care Reform (Guest Voice)

WASHINGTON — For some years, Democrats have denounced parodies casting their party as utterly closed to the views of those who oppose abortion. Last weekend, Democrats proved conclusively that they are, indeed, a big tent — and many in the ranks are furious.

From the outraged comments of the abortion rights movement, you’d think that Rep. Bart Stupak’s amendment to the House version of the health care bill would all but overturn Roe v. Wade.

No, it wouldn’t. The Michigan Democrat’s measure — passed 240-194, with 64 Democrats voting “yes” — would prohibit abortion coverage in the public health care option and bar any federal subsidies for plans that included abortion purchased on the new insurance exchanges.

Stupak argues that the federal government has stayed out of the business of financing abortion since passage of the Hyde Amendment in 1976 and that none of the policies available on the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program cover elective abortion. The structures that reform would create, he says, should carry the same restrictions, which do not apply in cases involving rape and incest or when a mother’s life is in danger.

Abortion rights supporters counter that, at the very least, individuals who pay part of the cost of their policies should be allowed to choose abortion coverage.

Whatever else is true, Stupak’s amendment is unlikely to have a significant effect on the availability of abortion, since most abortions are not paid for through health insurance. The Guttmacher Institute, for example, reported that only 13 percent of abortions in 2001 were directly billed by providers to insurance companies — although the institute cautioned that this figure did not include “women who obtain reimbursement from their insurance company themselves.”

The odd thing is that everyone in this fight insists that the only goal is to maintain the status quo on abortion. But defining the status quo has been a legislative and negotiating nightmare.

Democratic leaders once thought they had found the middle ground with an amendment offered by Rep. Lois Capps of California. She proposed segregating the money paid in for health insurance. Abortion coverage could be purchased with the premiums paid by individuals, but not with government money.

Abortion opponents argued that this separation of funds was artificial, and that all money paid to the government plan was, by definition, public. So Rep. Brad Ellsworth, a right-to-life Democrat from Indiana, suggested an alternative that became known as “Capps on steroids.” It substantially strengthened the barriers between public and private funds, particularly in the public plan.

But a key group of Democrats who supported the rest of the House bill (roughly 10 by the best count I have been able to get) was still not satisfied, partly because the Roman Catholic bishops were not satisfied. These Democrats turned out to be essential on a bill that ultimately passed by five votes.

Last Friday night, Stupak put forward a final compromise to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that would have prohibited abortion coverage in the public plan but would have allowed an annual vote on the abortion ban for the private plans. Pro-choice Democrats rejected this, and the stronger version of Stupak’s proposal then passed.

What happens now? Democratic supporters of abortion rights need to accept that their House majority depends on a large cadre of anti-abortion colleagues. They can denounce that reality, or they can learn to live with it.

There is also a challenge for abortion’s foes, above all the Catholic bishops who have a long history of supporting universal coverage but devoted most of their recent energy to the abortion battle. How much muscle will the bishops now put behind the broader effort to pass health care reform? Their credibility as advocates for social justice hangs in the balance.

And if the Senate forces a change in the Stupak language, one obvious approach would involve a ban on abortion in the public plan — if such an option survives — and the application of Ellsworth’s rules to the private policies sold in the insurance exchange. The alternative would be Stupak’s original compromise offer to Pelosi. There are not many other options.

The truth is that even with the Stupak restrictions, health care reform would leave millions of Americans far better off than they are now — including millions of women. This skirmish over abortion cannot be allowed to destroy the opportunity to extend coverage to 35 million Americans.

Killing health care reform would be bad for choice, and very bad for the right to life.

This column is copyrighted and licensed to appear on TMV in full. (c) 2009, Washington Post Writers Group

  • Leonidas
    Good article, but I say don't let the Pelosi bill destroy healthcare reform. Send it back until she makes it more acceptable. Right now indendents are 2 to 1 against this healthcare legislation being passed this year according to Gallup.

    http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gall...

    We have to limit the scope to what more Americans can agree on. There are things that really need reform and many of them have plenty of bipartisan support, like on pre-existing conditions. Pelosi and company need to come more to the center so we can get this passed, not hold it up with extra hundreds of pages of progressive pipe dreams that won't get through the Senate.
  • Leonidas
    Oh BTW, I found Camille Paglia's article at Salon interesting on this:
    http://salon.com/news/opinion/camille_paglia/20...

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi scored a giant gain for feminism last weekend. In shoving her controversy-plagued healthcare reform bill to victory by a paper-thin margin, she conclusively demonstrated that a woman can be just as gritty, ruthless and arm-twisting in pursuing her agenda as anyone in the long line of fabled male speakers before her. Even a basic feminist shibboleth like abortion rights became just another card for Pelosi to deal and swap.


    She goes on:

    As for the actual content of the House healthcare bill, horrors! Where to begin? That there are serious deficiencies and injustices in the U.S. healthcare system has been obvious for decades. To bring the poor and vulnerable into the fold has been a high ideal and an urgent goal for most Democrats. But this rigid, intrusive and grotesquely expensive bill is a nightmare. Holy Hygeia, why can't my fellow Democrats see that the creation of another huge, inefficient federal bureaucracy would slow and disrupt the delivery of basic healthcare and subject us all to a labyrinthine mass of incompetent, unaccountable petty dictators? Massively expanding the number of healthcare consumers without making due provision for the production of more healthcare providers means that we're hurtling toward a staggering logjam of de facto rationing. Steel yourself for the deafening screams from the careerist professional class of limousine liberals when they get stranded for hours in the jammed, jostling anterooms of doctors' offices. They'll probably try to hire Caribbean nannies as ringers to do the waiting for them.


    Read the whole thing, its pretty entertaining. Camille is a very interesting feminist author, who I always find interesting, and often find myself agreeing with, despite her liberalism. In fact, I can't think of a more impressive liberal intellectual than her, although I like Glenn Greenwald almost as much and consider him, at least somewhat, to be an intellectual.
  • JSpencer
    If Supak's amendment would shut the anti-choice people up and give them some encouragement to mind their own business then fine - especially since the alternative could end up being another foot-shooting exercise for the D's. Also, the points made by Camille are important ones. (thanks Leonidas) That said, if the republicans had any genuine desire for healthcare reform, why didn't they do anything about it all those years when they had the power and opportunity to do so? They've been MIA on the issue for decades now.
  • redbus
    If Supak's amendment would shut the anti-choice people up


    Are we back to name-calling again? Anti-choice? LOL. Funny, you called Tidbits out on another thread for using the term "pro-life," for goodness sakes, because it implied that their opponents are "pro-death." But no such subtlety with your labels, just put it out there: "anti-choice." Sigh...
  • ProfElwood
    Careful Leonidas, now everyone's going to say that the Gallup poll showed 55% of Americans in favor of this bill, since Republicans and Independents are too small a minority to make a difference.
  • JSpencer
    Redbus, I didn't "call" anyone out; besides, the expression "pro-life" was hardly coined by tidbits. I was very clear about the downside of the term. If you have a problem with the expression, "anti-choice", then please try to be equally clear about why that is. To me it's simply an accurate description, and not "name-calling" at all.
  • ProfElwood
  • JeffersonDavis
    You are typically one of the more level-headed ones here, Redbus... So let me pose a question to you:

    Is there anything in this bill that addresses the pharmaceutical industry? I already know that tort reform is not in it, even when Obama said he'd consider it as part of a bigger package. I mean.... If the entities that caused the high cost of health insurance are known, why doesn't Congress attack those items?

    This is extremely frustrating.
  • Leonidas
    If Supak's amendment would shut the anti-choice people up and give them some encouragement to mind their own business then fine


    As long as they are paying taxes to fund a public option in the proposed legislation, it is very much their business.

    That said, if the republicans had any genuine desire for healthcare reform, why didn't they do anything about it all those years when they had the power and opportunity to do so? They've been MIA on the issue for decades now.


    I suggest a simple 4 step program:

    1. Ask yourself, who has had more control of Congress all those year and decades......

    2 Follow this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_pres...

    3. Look at the section entitled "Comparing presidential ranking with congressional control and terms won/served"

    4. Redirect you anger towards the Democratic party to match the argument you made.
  • Leonidas

    Are we back to name-calling again? Anti-choice? LOL. Funny, you called Tidbits out on another thread for using the term "pro-life," for goodness sakes, because it implied that their opponents are "pro-death." But no such subtlety with your labels, just put it out there: "anti-choice." Sigh...


    Well lets just follow his example and call the other side anti-life =P
  • Leonidas
    Careful Leonidas, now everyone's going to say that the Gallup poll showed 55% of Americans in favor of this bill, since Republicans and Independents are too small a minority to make a difference.


    They have made such false claims before:

    Liberal Ad Misleads with Poll Numbers
    http://factcheck.org/2009/06/liberal-ad-mislead...
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    I am actually with JSpencer on this which actually surprises me(we often agree but I figured I would be alone on this one). First to be honest I had no idea that any insurance covered abortion and to be perfectly honest no person that I know that has had one has paid for it in any other way than out of pocket. I think that is proper for an abortion.

    I strongly believe in keeping abortion legal so that we can keep track of and regulate it but the procedure offends me on multiple levels, though not as deeply as a lack of personal control over half of the populations own bodies. Having said all of that not only do I think this should not be allowed to kill the bill I think it is the best option that Dems could ever dream of. From a political calculation point of view the Dems will have passed the most sweeping anti-choice(it would not be pro-life but it would take away certain healthcare choices hence anti-choice) legislation since Roe V Wade. The Pro-choicers have no where else to go and by separating the healthcare debate from the abortion debate it will in my opinion protect both from one another which is also important. From where I sit this is not about selling out women but good policy and good politics though it greatly infringes on the rights of consumers but you will not hear that argument made since it would come from the Repubs and they cant make it on that issue. There is even a ready made easy fix, why not start a charity to help pay for abortions for women that cant afford them? Two birds ladies and gents with one meager stone. And as an added bonus the Dems will be able to point out on a regular basis that they have given more to the pro-life movement(JSpencer is right about pro-choice/anti-choice as far as technical truth but I will use the old vernacular to avoid that debate) than the GOP has since the 1970's with a single bill. Which could hurt the GOP with those voters that stayed away from Dems purely on the abortion stance.
  • JSpencer
    I'm not sure why anyone would be offended by the term "anti-choice" since it's an entirely appropriate and accurate description of pro-choice opponents. I'm still waiting for an explanation of why this isn't the case. Since you jumped in on this one Leonidas, you, as well as redbus, can feel free to clarify your comments. Very simply, what exactly is it about the expression, "anti-choice" that is either inaccurate or "name-calling"? I'm genuinely interested in hearing the basis for the reaction, so please try to be specific. And btw, this time I am calling someone out. ;-)
  • Leonidas
    but it would take away certain healthcare choices hence anti-choice.


    Nope. There is no choice at present to use taxpayer money to fund abortions, the Hyde Amendment forbids it. You can't take away what isn't there.

    There is even a ready made easy fix, why not start a charity to help pay for abortions for women that cant afford them? Two birds ladies and gents with one meager stone. And as an added bonus the Dems will be able to point out on a regular basis that they have given more to the pro-life movement(JSpencer is right about pro-choice/anti-choice as far as technical truth but I will use the old vernacular to avoid that debate) than the GOP has since the 1970's with a single bill. Which could hurt the GOP with those voters that stayed away from Dems purely on the abortion stance.


    Well said. I agree 100% with your plan. It is so refreshing to see a Democrat come up with a solution that involves personal responsibility, using their own resources to to carry out their agenda and not forcing it on others and without being intolerant of the view of others. I want to hug you right now TheMagicalSkyFather. Its like I just saw a pig fly.

    Anyhow, I wish you all the luck in the world convincing other Democrats, and once more I salute you. If you can make political gains by this type of stance I begrude you not those gains, as you will have earned them with principled efforts and sacrifice.

    P.S. while your at it, convince the Liberals to form some private insurance companies and run them according to liberal principles. Competition is good for the country. Let the ideas meet in the marketplace and let the people decide.
  • DaGoat
    I'm not sure why anyone would be offended by the term "anti-choice" since it's an entirely appropriate and accurate description of pro-choice opponents. I'm still waiting for an explanation of why this isn't the case.

    Both "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are euphemisms. Almost everyone is for life and for choices in a broad sense. It's inconsistent to have trouble with one term and not the other, as they both are equally inexact. Really we need better terms to describe the issue.
  • DLS
    Choice?

    Turn left or right, or proceed straight, at an intersection? Red or blue tie? Coke or Pepsi? McD's or BK?

    We have plenty of choices we face and make every waking hour.

    The correct terms with respect to abortion have always been "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion."

    Ignorant, evasive, cowardly, or debilitated language, and users of such, are corrected again. [sigh]
  • Leonidas
    The correct terms with respect to abortion have always been "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion."


    Doesn't quite work that neatly, many folks on the "Pro Choice" side are not Pro abortion, they are pro-abortion as an option to a point. Some in that camp oppose late term abortions, I call myself "Pro Choice" in a very loose sense as I support abortion rights of the mother until about 8-9 weeks when a mental synapse becomes possibe (the point where I believe the life of a distinct human being begins) and then I switch over to the other side. "Anti-abortion" is also not fully accurate since the majority of that side is not opposed to abortion in the case of danger to the mothers health, incest, and rape.

    To be really accurate I think you'd have to call the two sides "Mother's rights advocates" and "Fetus rights advocates.
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    True the Hyde amendment does cover much of this but I still think it is a good idea in the bill for the reasons I stated. I also tend to think that the true fixes for most of these issues is in technology which is also why I push pro-lifers to invest in companies that research removal of the fetus(to be put into a willing recipient or a test tube whichever works and is acceptable/profitable) instead of making the process illegal which just hides it.

    As far as the insurance thing goes I actually like the basic structures being discussed currently though I think many things will need to be addressed in the future, for instance the tort reform that is so needed and lowering guards that block insurance companies from insuring people in all states but to me the fix is to have federal laws that impose realistic and good minimums instead of the race to the bottom we saw with credit cards in the early 80's which I think would actually make healthcare worse though it would cost less since it would do less and cost you more out of pocket. This is why I poll as a "conservative" though, I prefer incrementalism as a rule and minimal approaches and actually am waiting for Repubs or the conservative side to take the same approach. Meaning welfare is bad is a good bumper sticker but just melting it or cutting it does not resolve the real issue, what cheaper or better methods can they offer(charities for procedures are a good idea as they are more rare than say food and shelter). I do like for instance soup kitchens funded by the gov instead of food stamps and the like its just that the current Repub offers tend to be "charity" which I tend to find laughable or me-toisim where they do not try new ideas to solve old problems and those new ideas tend to be what I want to vote for since the old ones have failed or their would be no discussion. I also greatly prefer work programs to unemployment extensions and also to welfare since I respect and see value in work. I really think the future of the Repub party is in ideas like "they cant afford their water bills, dont pay the bills for them buy them a 1k subsidized water maker that gives them more then enough for survival and then leave them alone." When I hear that I will vote for that guy. It will save us money shrink our costs and put us back on our self sufficient legs that were destroyed largely by industrialization all while not ignoring the needs of the least among us.
  • JeffersonDavis
    "I'm not sure why anyone would be offended by the term "anti-choice" since it's an entirely appropriate and accurate description of pro-choice opponents"


    I think we've been over this, Spence.
    The opponents are for the "choice" not to have sex to avoid pregnancy - or at least safer sex to avoid it. The proponents are for "choice" after the fact to negate irresponsible behavior.

    If I steal a car - I will most likely get thrown in jail. Prognosis: Don't steal cars.
    If I touch a hot stove - I will get burned. Prognosis: Don't touch hot stoves.
    If I have unprotected sex - I will most likely get a child or a disease. Prognosis: Don't have unprotected sex or obstain altogether.

    The bottom line is personal responsibility. It is something that the ultra-liberal crowd has been against from the beginning. It's not the criminal's fault - it's society's fault, etc.
  • JeffersonDavis
    " I push pro-lifers to invest in companies that research removal of the fetus(to be put into a willing recipient or a test tube whichever works and is acceptable/profitable) instead of making the process illegal which just hides it. "

    Do you know of such companies?
    HOLY COW! I'd invest or even donate to a company like that!!!!!!!!!
    I'd even help to direct other Christians to invest in such an endeavor.

    That is an ingenious idea. Why haven't I heard that before!!!!!!???????
    Wow. That would work for everyone, would it not?
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    At this point you would need to either invest in current science research, if you would be interested let me know and I will research it with you for the best use of funds one of my emails is my name here at gmail just so ya know...

    No company yet exists that focuses on this research but in their defense the technology did not become realistic until the last 5-10 years and would still take 5-10 years of research but I am a believer in technology(also I have not heard anyone but me discussing it so the "meme" will need to get rolling as well but I am trying to get the message out). Religion saves your soul, the government saves themselves and technology saves the masses has become my bumper sticker phrase. Many good avenues exist though, even cloning research since the cell manipulations and DNA research will be needed to move the science forward.

    The water makers already exist though and they do cost 1k, we now are creating printers that print 3d objects like say buildings which are estimated to be ready at the consumer level in the next 20-30yrs and that is not even touching the reality of nanites and the science behind them. The tech is new and in its infancy but if you see a use for it investing in the research will just bring it into reality more quickly. We truly live in an amazing age, in fact as a child my idea of heaven was a place where I could learn everything their was to know about anything. We are not there yet but I now know its name was the internet and I now live everyday in my childhood version of heaven. Tends to give a guy a bounce to his step and hope for the future. Also tends to send a guy off to college in his mid 30's with plans to stay in college for the next 20 yrs to help in any way I can.
  • DLS
    "Doesn't quite work that neatly, many folks on the "Pro Choice" side are not Pro abortion"

    Oh, you can make the distinction between how you view abortion itself and what the legality of it should be, or what is practical or realistic, and more frequently you can view it with respect to the amount of degree of support or opposition. That is why I have said that most people (which is true) are not "100% absolute anti-abortionists." (The same is true for the truly extreme and wacky 100% "pro" people, who don't even want limitations on minors, parental notification for minors, etc., and who typically insist on an unlimited federal government entitlement, to have this be provided at public expense on demand, as well as silly related demands such as that if abortion were restricted, society should be "obliged" to pay for raising any children than are born as a result.)

    What you can say can be additionally be elucidated by noting that often the phrase "abortion rights" is how the relevent issue of the time is described. (Whether or not you like or approve of the action or not, it's actually a separate issue whether or not it should be legal, and if so, what restrictions it may face, etc.)
  • DLS
    "It is something that the ultra-liberal crowd has been against from the beginning."

    That's part of it -- risk-free, responsibility-free living, cradle-to-grave security and a related entitlement, demanding mentality. More broadly, it's an infantilism trend associated with radicalism and how personal behavior is involved. I.e., consequences not only shouldn't even matter, they shouldn't even enter into the picture or situation at all...
  • JSpencer
    At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll comment on the terminology one more time and try to make it as clear as possible:

    On side A we have people who believe the decision of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy should be the province of the person whose body is pregnant, meaning it should be her choice. Those who support such an arrangement are obviously "pro-choice".

    On side B we have those who believe the decision of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy should not be the province of the person who is pregnant, meaning it should not be her choice. Those who support such an arrangement are obviously "anti-choice".

    It doesn't get any more simple than that folks. These are not inherently pejorative terms, only descriptive - albeit more accurate than most of the charged terms being thrown around.





  • JeffersonDavis
    Thanks, MSF. You rock. I'll do some digging around. You do the same. I'll email ya if I find something concrete, but it sounds as if you are WAY ahead of me.

    I quoted your comment above on another thread for Kattenburg's benefit.
    Hope you don't mind.

    Ya see.... This is what "The Moderate Voice" should be all about. Not the infighting of neo-cons and liberals - but actual solutions. I love it!
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    Thanks to Politico we now know that the RNC's insurance plan covers abortion though...funny that.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29456...
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    I totally agree, I am trying to find solutions that everyone can live with WHILE fighting for what I think is the best we can do right now but of course the last part is opinion and I admit to it openly. I know a good deal about what is going on in the tech world but microbiology other than nanites and their uses is still pretty closed to me but honestly I am in the research & put the idea out their mode. I do not think I am alone in these ideas but rocketing them around the internet is all that I have the power to do at this time. Once enough people agree or have the ideas themselves the rubber will meet the road if you will but finding companies investing in R&D for microbiology and general life science should not be to difficult until we can find one that focuses on our desired problem to fix. Another good resource for tech in this direction is the Transhumanist group on facebook, they do not know it but their chosen interest will be intriguel in moving this technology forward since transhumanisim is about blending man and machine if you will. Some in that movement have begun playing with microbiology in a D.I.Y. way since you can buy USB microscopes dirt cheap now.
  • ProfElwood
    To all of you arguing over terms: aaaaaaaaagh! Here's the real, truthful, "I'm not going to argue the @#$& obvious with you" terms: pro-legal, pro-illegal. Whether legal or not, the woman has a choice. Whether legal or not, the kid/fetus/bio-ball/zygote won't live. Any questions?
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    It seems that a good deal of the tech already exists, I have no idea how this is being missed. It does seem that research would need to be done on making the implantation window larger. For this reason investing in companies researching infertility and implantation tied to infertility may get the biggest bang for the buck with any research dollars thrown their way.

    http://www.drmalpani.com/book/chapter25c.html

    http://www.infertilityny.com/embryotransfer.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implantation
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