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	<title>Comments on: 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why?</title>
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		<title>By: Ghostdreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghostdreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m terribly sorry for the grief Frankcesa&#039;s family is suffering but according my belief system, the soul does not enter into the fetus until the time of birth so IMHO this is a terrible and heartbreaking added loss, but I don&#039;t believe it constitutes murder. &lt;br&gt;My two cents worth,&lt;br&gt;Ghost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m terribly sorry for the grief Frankcesa&#39;s family is suffering but according my belief system, the soul does not enter into the fetus until the time of birth so IMHO this is a terrible and heartbreaking added loss, but I don&#39;t believe it constitutes murder. <br />My two cents worth,<br />Ghost</p>
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		<title>By: azmom3x</title>
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		<dc:creator>azmom3x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because &quot;victim no 14&quot;, as you call him, had a heartbeat that was pumping blood through his tiny body.  If she had of lived and given birth to him on a remote island where there were no BIRTH CERTIFICATES, he&#039;d still be a living person still capable of being killed.  So your pathetic attempt at demeaning and devaluing his precious, innocent life is feeble and hollow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because &#8220;victim no 14&#8243;, as you call him, had a heartbeat that was pumping blood through his tiny body.  If she had of lived and given birth to him on a remote island where there were no BIRTH CERTIFICATES, he&#39;d still be a living person still capable of being killed.  So your pathetic attempt at demeaning and devaluing his precious, innocent life is feeble and hollow.</p>
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		<title>By: My thoughts on Hasan being charged with 13 counts of murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>My thoughts on Hasan being charged with 13 counts of murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why? (themoderatevoice.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I mourn this unborn child, as I mourn the execution of John Allen Muhammed, the D.C. Sniper. A consistent pro-life ethic can do no other.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can sorta respect that, redbus - well stated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I have to ask one question prior to absolute approval (not that you are looking for MY approval mind you):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it truly the same to mourn the death of an innocent, as it is to mourn the death of a non-innocent?&lt;br&gt;Yes, death is death.  But you tend to feel differently when a loved one dies in a car accident than when they die of a long bout of cancer.  Likewise, if a baby is killed, the feeling would be different than if a convicted cold-blooded murderer were killed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps I&#039;m wrong.  Regardless I do respect your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I mourn this unborn child, as I mourn the execution of John Allen Muhammed, the D.C. Sniper. A consistent pro-life ethic can do no other.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can sorta respect that, redbus &#8211; well stated.</p>
<p>But I have to ask one question prior to absolute approval (not that you are looking for MY approval mind you):</p>
<p>Is it truly the same to mourn the death of an innocent, as it is to mourn the death of a non-innocent?<br />Yes, death is death.  But you tend to feel differently when a loved one dies in a car accident than when they die of a long bout of cancer.  Likewise, if a baby is killed, the feeling would be different than if a convicted cold-blooded murderer were killed.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#39;m wrong.  Regardless I do respect your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: How many killed at Ft. Hood? - towdogInCal&#8217;s blog - RedState</title>
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		<dc:creator>How many killed at Ft. Hood? - towdogInCal&#8217;s blog - RedState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the actual number of 14? Was the fact the child had yet to see the light of day a reason it should remain unseen by the news networks (including Fox, to my knowledge)? Fourteen were killed at Fort Hood, not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How many killed at Ft. Hood? &#171; A TowDog&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>How many killed at Ft. Hood? &#171; A TowDog&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the actual number of 14? Was the fact the child had yet to see the light of day a reason it should remain unseen by the news networks (including Fox, to my knowledge)? Fourteen were killed at Fort Hood, not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JimTreacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimTreacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you talking about John Allen Muhammad? He had 7 years to repent. If he didn&#039;t do it in that time, what makes you think he ever would?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you talking about John Allen Muhammad? He had 7 years to repent. If he didn&#39;t do it in that time, what makes you think he ever would?</p>
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		<title>By: JimTreacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimTreacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you think this guy will.</description>
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		<title>By: Being a Patriot on Veterans Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being a Patriot on Veterans Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why? (themoderatevoice.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: redbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and dead men don&#039;t repent.</description>
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		<title>By: JimTreacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimTreacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This unborn child didn&#039;t murder 10 people.</description>
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		<title>By: spirasol</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirasol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, CP, the tragedy deepens...........and will deepen even more when the shooter, also a victim, is slain by the military.  They may not do so, particularly by recent reports, as the powers-that-be seem to have opted on the side of increasing their intelligence rather than protecting their soldiers; that they were well aware of his activities and could have detained or questioned him, thereby preventing the situation from occurring.  Maybe they were intending to track his activities in Afghanistan...... ????&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While heartfelt, the loss of Velez and the little soul inside her, particularly for her family, I feel it necessary nonetheless to say something about the underlying politics.   The issue of whether or not one believes in the need/right for a woman to decide and the question of when, if ever, that should/could be done--  colors the way one reads the story.  I know plenty of mothers/fathers who have, for a variety of reasons lost the little life and all its promise, and who set out to mark their hearts and mark the ground of their existence and their passing. It is thought of more normally as a personal matter, and they do this with ritual, photos, drawings, prayer and meditation, among other ways individually determined.  The newspapers, however, and large institutions, the military are operating under a different set of rules..........I guess we might call them what science has determined about a new life......I don&#039;t think it would hurt us to completely adopt and embrace a new way forward where all life is honored from conception.........but be sure and involve the coroner, the funeral director, the doctors, nurses, insurance companies, etc., etc......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What we are really taking about here is honoring and protecting innocence .........and if you go there with open eyes and open heart you will be crushed to realize what we do to each other as human beings is irreconcilable..........so we don&#039;t, we justify-- some killings MUST be done, we say, softly, regrettably......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder if the innocence of the Major&#039;s family and friends should be preserved.....and I wonder if any American soldier of Arab/Muslim descent can ever be trusted again.  And I wonder of this loss of innocence which I don&#039;t believe exists in the mind of the military, but in the mind of that Arab/Muslim soldier who thought, just for a minute, and maybe longer, that they/we trusted him, that he wouldn&#039;t have to look over his shoulder at every turn........I wouldn&#039;t say it is complete, but how could the soldier not be aware of his birthmark, his origins, and the suffering of his own people, often at the hands of the military he is now serving under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, CP, the tragedy deepens&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and will deepen even more when the shooter, also a victim, is slain by the military.  They may not do so, particularly by recent reports, as the powers-that-be seem to have opted on the side of increasing their intelligence rather than protecting their soldiers; that they were well aware of his activities and could have detained or questioned him, thereby preventing the situation from occurring.  Maybe they were intending to track his activities in Afghanistan&#8230;&#8230; ????</p>
<p>While heartfelt, the loss of Velez and the little soul inside her, particularly for her family, I feel it necessary nonetheless to say something about the underlying politics.   The issue of whether or not one believes in the need/right for a woman to decide and the question of when, if ever, that should/could be done&#8211;  colors the way one reads the story.  I know plenty of mothers/fathers who have, for a variety of reasons lost the little life and all its promise, and who set out to mark their hearts and mark the ground of their existence and their passing. It is thought of more normally as a personal matter, and they do this with ritual, photos, drawings, prayer and meditation, among other ways individually determined.  The newspapers, however, and large institutions, the military are operating under a different set of rules&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.I guess we might call them what science has determined about a new life&#8230;&#8230;I don&#39;t think it would hurt us to completely adopt and embrace a new way forward where all life is honored from conception&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;but be sure and involve the coroner, the funeral director, the doctors, nurses, insurance companies, etc., etc&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>What we are really taking about here is honoring and protecting innocence &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and if you go there with open eyes and open heart you will be crushed to realize what we do to each other as human beings is irreconcilable&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.so we don&#39;t, we justify&#8211; some killings MUST be done, we say, softly, regrettably&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I wonder if the innocence of the Major&#39;s family and friends should be preserved&#8230;..and I wonder if any American soldier of Arab/Muslim descent can ever be trusted again.  And I wonder of this loss of innocence which I don&#39;t believe exists in the mind of the military, but in the mind of that Arab/Muslim soldier who thought, just for a minute, and maybe longer, that they/we trusted him, that he wouldn&#39;t have to look over his shoulder at every turn&#8230;&#8230;..I wouldn&#39;t say it is complete, but how could the soldier not be aware of his birthmark, his origins, and the suffering of his own people, often at the hands of the military he is now serving under.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most on this board know that I am vehemently pro-choice. However, it is obvious from the story that this young woman had made the choice to carry this fetus to become a child, and she and her family were excited to do so.  All her choices were taken away from her, and the loss of the fetus as well as the young soldier carrying it are equally heartbreaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most on this board know that I am vehemently pro-choice. However, it is obvious from the story that this young woman had made the choice to carry this fetus to become a child, and she and her family were excited to do so.  All her choices were taken away from her, and the loss of the fetus as well as the young soldier carrying it are equally heartbreaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why? &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why? &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by TMV and NewsFifty National, Nate Nelson. Nate Nelson said: RT @TMV The forgotten 14th victim at Ft. Hood http://bit.ly/3lWXuU [...]</description>
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		<title>By: redbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-said, Dr. E. I mourn this unborn child, as I mourn the execution of John Allen Muhammed, the D.C. Sniper. A consistent pro-life ethic can do no other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-said, Dr. E. I mourn this unborn child, as I mourn the execution of John Allen Muhammed, the D.C. Sniper. A consistent pro-life ethic can do no other.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point, dr.e.  But, most important, what a caring thought!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dorian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point, dr.e.  But, most important, what a caring thought!</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that is a simple prosecutorial-oriented move. Classifying an unborn child as a death is not uncommon when pursuing murder charges, but certainly not for, say, using the carpool lane (yes, I choose something banal on purpose, rather than something more in)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does show the inconstancy society has for the classification of unborn children, i.e., sometimes they are persons, sometimes they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is a simple prosecutorial-oriented move. Classifying an unborn child as a death is not uncommon when pursuing murder charges, but certainly not for, say, using the carpool lane (yes, I choose something banal on purpose, rather than something more in)</p>
<p>It does show the inconstancy society has for the classification of unborn children, i.e., sometimes they are persons, sometimes they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have it right, Dr. E.</description>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No birth certificate for victim no 14, if you haven&#039;t been born how can you be killed?</description>
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