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		<title>By: keelaay</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229792</link>
		<dc:creator>keelaay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats clearly an issue.. but so is Lieberman because of is seniority and power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats clearly an issue.. but so is Lieberman because of is seniority and power.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229565</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don&#039;t have to be a leftie to observe that Lieberman&#039;s self serving about-faces scrape the bottom of the barrel.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, the big issue here that is lurking behind Lieberman and every other example (more evident in the case of GOP RINOs and should-be-Dems, primarily in the Northeast) is that such people are adapting to a permenent establishment of themselves in office (able even to change with the various political trends or brief shifts of the political winds), because of the incumbency problem, which really is related to what is the ultimate problem, too much power and influence being centered in the federal government in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don&#39;t have to be a leftie to observe that Lieberman&#39;s self serving about-faces scrape the bottom of the barrel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, the big issue here that is lurking behind Lieberman and every other example (more evident in the case of GOP RINOs and should-be-Dems, primarily in the Northeast) is that such people are adapting to a permenent establishment of themselves in office (able even to change with the various political trends or brief shifts of the political winds), because of the incumbency problem, which really is related to what is the ultimate problem, too much power and influence being centered in the federal government in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229564</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He&#039;s our sixtieth vote right?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And imagine if he were to vote not only for &quot;reform&quot; legislation, but for a (suitably neutered) public option:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;JOE LIEBERMAN, REJOINING THE FAMILY.  JOE LIEBERMAN -- HERO -- PATRIOT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He&#39;s our sixtieth vote right?&#8221;</p>
<p>And imagine if he were to vote not only for &#8220;reform&#8221; legislation, but for a (suitably neutered) public option:</p>
<p>JOE LIEBERMAN, REJOINING THE FAMILY.  JOE LIEBERMAN &#8212; HERO &#8212; PATRIOT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: keelaay</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229448</link>
		<dc:creator>keelaay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the calling out the Joe Lieberman hand wringers on the left.  (See my post above concerning the glass house, &quot;I am shocked&quot; Dems and their two-timin&#039; pal Joe...)   But let us not forget that Joe Lieberman has clearly proven himself over the years to be a rudderless and opportunistic pol of the worst kind.   Am I delusional or was Joe not the Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee with Al Gore!  Not exactly a moderate ticket.  The liberal wing ideals of the party didn&#039;t bother him one bit when he had a personal shot at top power.  Nor did he mind jumping ship to support the Republicans eight year later and campaign against the the Democratic nominee -- all for same shot at power, but with very different stripes.   Joe doesn&#039;t vote his conscience or his convictions... he plays for self promotion with whoever is in power.  You don&#039;t have to be a leftie to observe that Lieberman&#039;s self serving about-faces scrape the bottom of the barrel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the calling out the Joe Lieberman hand wringers on the left.  (See my post above concerning the glass house, &#8220;I am shocked&#8221; Dems and their two-timin&#39; pal Joe&#8230;)   But let us not forget that Joe Lieberman has clearly proven himself over the years to be a rudderless and opportunistic pol of the worst kind.   Am I delusional or was Joe not the Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee with Al Gore!  Not exactly a moderate ticket.  The liberal wing ideals of the party didn&#39;t bother him one bit when he had a personal shot at top power.  Nor did he mind jumping ship to support the Republicans eight year later and campaign against the the Democratic nominee &#8212; all for same shot at power, but with very different stripes.   Joe doesn&#39;t vote his conscience or his convictions&#8230; he plays for self promotion with whoever is in power.  You don&#39;t have to be a leftie to observe that Lieberman&#39;s self serving about-faces scrape the bottom of the barrel.</p>
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		<title>By: keelaay</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229445</link>
		<dc:creator>keelaay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very reasoned.  Definitely glass house shots from the Dems on &quot;litmus tests&quot; and &quot;purging&quot;.  Not that I care for our egocentric break-his-arm-patting-himself-on-the-back heretic from the fine state of Connecticut, but what makes the &quot;I am shocked&quot; crowd even worse is that ol&#039; Joe is not a Democrat!  They voted his two-timin&#039; ass out of the primary and he took his ball and went home... only to the win the game as an Independent.   If the Dems have had enough of our former-VP-nominee stabbing us in the rear, we should boot his ass from the caucus.  But nooooooooooo.   He&#039;s our sixtieth vote right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very reasoned.  Definitely glass house shots from the Dems on &#8220;litmus tests&#8221; and &#8220;purging&#8221;.  Not that I care for our egocentric break-his-arm-patting-himself-on-the-back heretic from the fine state of Connecticut, but what makes the &#8220;I am shocked&#8221; crowd even worse is that ol&#39; Joe is not a Democrat!  They voted his two-timin&#39; ass out of the primary and he took his ball and went home&#8230; only to the win the game as an Independent.   If the Dems have had enough of our former-VP-nominee stabbing us in the rear, we should boot his ass from the caucus.  But nooooooooooo.   He&#39;s our sixtieth vote right?</p>
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		<title>By: keelaay</title>
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		<dc:creator>keelaay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me only hopes the good people of Connecticut care...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me only hopes the good people of Connecticut care&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo, rather than erupt in foam about Club for Growth, the Obamaniacs and other hard-core lefties need to form their own beefier (apologies to vegans and animal-rights activists) &quot;progressive&quot; activist and lobbying groups.  With the reality of people like George Soros, Al Gore, or John Edwards, they can afford to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo, rather than erupt in foam about Club for Growth, the Obamaniacs and other hard-core lefties need to form their own beefier (apologies to vegans and animal-rights activists) &#8220;progressive&#8221; activist and lobbying groups.  With the reality of people like George Soros, Al Gore, or John Edwards, they can afford to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve listened to Limbaugh as well as a number of far-lefty commenters.  The lefties are obviously more extremist than Limbaugh is (Limbaugh is the object of hatred and delusional thinking and accusations by his many enemies -- he&#039;s the Original Heterodox Heretic of liberal loathing).  The lefties in fact are on a par with and sometimes worse than professionally provocative and controversial Ann Coulter.  (When they are loud but not wacky, I like them, as well as when they rarely are insightful and valuable.  Following Ed Schultz on health care &quot;reform&quot; and later on other issues is currently quite interesting.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve listened to Limbaugh as well as a number of far-lefty commenters.  The lefties are obviously more extremist than Limbaugh is (Limbaugh is the object of hatred and delusional thinking and accusations by his many enemies &#8212; he&#39;s the Original Heterodox Heretic of liberal loathing).  The lefties in fact are on a par with and sometimes worse than professionally provocative and controversial Ann Coulter.  (When they are loud but not wacky, I like them, as well as when they rarely are insightful and valuable.  Following Ed Schultz on health care &#8220;reform&#8221; and later on other issues is currently quite interesting.)</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more liberal wing of the  Democrats us identical in their behavior to the more Conservative wing of the GOP.  And they wonder why moderates don&#039;t care for either one of them much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more liberal wing of the  Democrats us identical in their behavior to the more Conservative wing of the GOP.  And they wonder why moderates don&#39;t care for either one of them much.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229365</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lefties are at their typically low level.  This is not hard for others to discern immediately:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Snowe: Acceptable Republican&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lieberman: Traitor Democrat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lefties are at their typically low level.  This is not hard for others to discern immediately:</p>
<p>Snowe: Acceptable Republican</p>
<p>Lieberman: Traitor Democrat</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the First Issue, &quot;the gunman was a terrorist&quot;, I think there is plenty of evidence of that. An embracing of radical Islam by the gunman seems apparent.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the Second Issue, &quot;healthcare reform&quot;, it would appear that not many people care what Joe thinks about this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the First Issue, &#8220;the gunman was a terrorist&#8221;, I think there is plenty of evidence of that. An embracing of radical Islam by the gunman seems apparent.</p>
<p>On the Second Issue, &#8220;healthcare reform&#8221;, it would appear that not many people care what Joe thinks about this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the shooting spree “was not part of a terrorist plot,”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;That seems to be true on the surface, but apparently not for a lack of trying - &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the shooting spree “was not part of a terrorist plot,”</p></blockquote>
<p>That seems to be true on the surface, but apparently not for a lack of trying &#8211; <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873" rel="nofollow">Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda</a></p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Lieberman is as out of touch on this issue as he was on Iraq. His partisanship centers around himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Lieberman is as out of touch on this issue as he was on Iraq. His partisanship centers around himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/52361/lodestar-lieberman/comment-page-1/#comment-229282</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its natural that folks would be curious as to what the least partisan members of the Senate like Liebermann will do, especially when he may well be the swing vote.  Snowe got a lot of attention when it was thought she would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its natural that folks would be curious as to what the least partisan members of the Senate like Liebermann will do, especially when he may well be the swing vote.  Snowe got a lot of attention when it was thought she would be.</p>
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