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On SCOTUS Cases And Juveniles In Jail For Life

My social work field placement was in the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court in 1989-1990.  A large chunk of my work was conducting a part of the process performed that leads to the clinicians providing information to the jurists so that they can decide whether or not a minor is “amenable” to treatment or other juvenile court options if the minor is “found delinquint” or should be “bound over” to adult court.

I’ve used a lot of quotation marks because these are all terms of art.

I’m not familiar with the two cases to be heard tomorrow in the Supreme Court of the United States (aka SCOTUS), but here is an excellent post at the always excellent SCOTUSblog about the cases.

Like any risk management assessment, it’s almost impossible to be 100% certain that someone won’t ever do something “like that” or that they will absolutely continue to be that dangerous for the rest of their natural life. Just think about some of the most heinous events of the past 12 months – the Holocaust museum shooter, the Fort Hood event, the shooting of Army recruiters, the killing of George Tiller. From the clinical side, we have laws to protect the professionals who make the assessments about whether someone will or will not injure or do worse to others specifically because it is known that they cannot predict with 100% certainty and must be allowed to carry out their professional duties without constant fear of being sued when their assessments prove wrong. (Don’t worry – there is still plenty of room to sue – always, for better or worse.)

But juvenile recidivism is a topic I’ve researched since 1979, when I was in high school, literally (it was my first-ever independent study for a social sciences class). And the fact that 30 years later, this kind of case is coming before the Supreme Court just demonstrates how conflicted we remain and the evidence remains about what to do when juveniles commit crimes.

If anything, that fact alone indicates to me that we leave discretion intact for the jurists with the option to always review a case and so no cases where a sentence of life without parole is handed down to a minor, just as former Republican Senator Alan Simpson has said, he of the Simpson-Mazzoli immigration law that I worked on in the Reagan administration while working at the USDOJ. From Simpson’s WaPo op-ed:

When I was a teen, we rode aimlessly around town, shot things up, started fires and generally raised hell. It was only dumb luck that we never really hurt anyone. At 17, I was caught destroying federal property and was put on probation. For two years, my probation officer visited me and my friends at home, in the pool hall, at school and on the basketball court. He was a wonderful guy who listened and really cared. I did pretty well on probation. At 21, though, I got into a fight in a tough part of town and ended up in jail for hitting a police officer.

I spent only one night in jail, but that was enough. I remember thinking, “I don’t need too much more of this.”

I had a chance to turn my life around, and I took it. This term, the U.S. Supreme Court will decide whether other young people get that same chance.

When a young person is sent “up the river,” we need to remember that all rivers can change course.

I’d like to see studies about whether the possibility of the life without the possibility of parole sentence has worked as a deterrent. That’s usually the place I start when analyzing this kind of issue – does it actually do what it’s supposed to.

What do you think? Should the option to send a minor to prison without a possibility of parole be eliminated?

  • JWindish
    My post on this is here. I answered my few commenters with this, which I repost here to be part of the conversation...

    Young people are reflection of their parents and the culture into which they are born. Maturity is a complex gradual biological and learning process. There are difference between physical, emotional, and intellectual maturity, both across age groups and individuals. The law draws a single line, if for no other reason, because it's easier that way.

    By the logic of the comments so far, these kids would be better off being put to death. What I read here is that they should pay for their offenses. I see payment as pointless. My goal is that they not commit a crime again. Our system, as it stand now, serves only to warehouse and train hardened criminals.

    My interpretation of "cruel and unusual," indeed any interpretation other than that of the courts', is irrelevant. But a life spent in prison seems more cruel than a life cut short through a quick execution. I wouldn't be surprised to find you agree a quick execution is preferable. And I wouldn't be surprised if a culture dominated by people with that view is a violent, criminal, and cruel one.

    From that you can guess that I oppose life without the possibility of parole for juvenile offenses. My research has not been lifelong, but I have spent the past 2 years serving on the advisory board of a state juvenile detention center.
  • Joe - thanks for sharing your post's link and this comment. One question, is this sentence, "I wouldn't be surprised to find you agree a quick execution is preferable." directed at me or just the folks in your thread's comments (I'll go over there and check as well).

    During law school, we spend a decent amount of time in criminal law class examining what it is that people want out of sentencing. Punishment is big, of course, but there are other reasons, and of course not all lawyers - or people - support all or even the same sanctions for different or even the same crimes. And when it's you or someone you love involved, well then, there's that too.

    I've never ever thought in terms of "which is preferable" in terms of which is more or less cruel, depending on what we're seeking to accomplish (in other words, some people I suspect want to be as cruel as they can be when thinking about sentencing, others don't and so on). So if you're saying you think that I personally would "prefer" a quick execution - I have to tell you, I really can't even get into the mindset of thinking about that. I just don't look at sentences that way, at all.

    As I wrote, I think Alan Simpson is far closer to what we should be thinking about when it comes to juveniles. It's our job, those of us who feel that way, to project and protect and persuade toward that belief as best we can. If we don't, who will?
  • jfd8
    In Florida there is concern
    Of juvenile justice too stern;
    But kids prefer jail
    To having to tail
    Old drivers who blink but won't turn.

    News Short n' Sweet by JFD8
    http://twitter.com/JFD8
  • JWindish
    Jill, I got lazy and just copied and pasted the same comment from my post to here. Sorry! I thought maybe the comment thread from mine could be shifted to here. I should have edited because, no, I emphatically did not mean that portion of my comment to be responding to you. I, too, agree with Alan Simpson. But what I see happening now is far, far away from Simpson's experience. The justice machine today would not so easily set him free. And that's what saddens me.

    I have personally spoken with the parents of kids who did nothing worse than Simpson suggests he did, but once in the system they ended up in a state facility. I have spoken with parents who thought they would teach their kid a Simpson-type lesson, only to find that once the police were involved, there was no way out. Our culture has clearly moved from a Restorative Justice place (if only minimally so) to a wholly Retributive Justice system. It's far simpler to have a black and white, zero tolerance, absolute position than it is to navigate the reality of a world where circumstances matter.

    We don't pay for the justice system we need to manage the punitive laws we pass, and that inevitably means innocents swept into it. (Read the details of the 13-year-old Joe Sullivan conviction.) Even if you disagree with that inevitability, you might agree that the result of warehoused criminals is not likely to be reformed citizens, chastened and contributing to the community when they're released.

    Now, I'm ranting to the choir rather than responding directly to you. I apologize. I agree with you that we need to live and act to project and protect and persuade. I'm glad you're doing that, too! My ranting comes from how big and impossible that job seems in the face of the far easier "lock them up and teach them a lesson" mentality.
  • I could not agree with you more, Joe, regarding how big and impossible the job seems of conveying to people that most minors are amenable to treatment of some type wrapped up with other kinds of sentencing options. It is true that there are those few who are not amenable - that is a fact. But even so, as Simpson suggests, why not review the case periodically, why must there be no chance of parole?

    I don't know - I'm always wanting a little more research. And even here in Cleveland, we have this absolutely horrific case of the guy who is alleged to have raped and murdered 11 women, after having already served for rape and then being judged okay to be released. So...you know, the "mistakes" in judgement are what scare everyone. And those mistakes result in scary consequences, no question.

    But even so...we have to ask ourselves what kind of people we are and what are we willing to trade off. And then there's the whole reality that people in general just don't give enough thought to these issues.

    Which is why we have TMV! :) Thanks for the discussion. I think that's very cool that you serve on a state juvie detention center's board.
  • DLS
    What else will be sought to be struck down by having the Supreme Court (or earlier, some other court) find something "cruel or unusual"? Whose standards really should apply?

    The scope of this isn't limited to this extremism-leaning effort currently, but to others, and we need to keep in mind other details I listed earlier, elsewhere, when considering this and the necessity by those objecting to the details in this case not to risk extremism in the name of "reform" -- to put things into their proper perspective (which dispels so much of and so many claims of "cruel" or "unusual"):


    We know about maturation of the frontal lobes of the cerebral cortex and of judgment. (Yet, lefties constantly demand lowering of the age for things like not only drinking, but also voting, down often at least to age sixteen. Why?)

    That is not the only issue at stake. Also at issue is the nature of serious crimes committed, as well as the obvious fact about humanity, that after age 6-7 young people are expected to know the difference between right and wrong. Another item: murder is not the only crime that merits consideration for life imprisonment, or death, obviously. Nobody can claim with a straight face, or imply, that only murder is such a crime at issue here.

    Common sense and sound judgment should prevail. Age 6-7 is the "age of reason" and expectation of distinguishing between right and wrong, but we don't expect to execute or imprison for life anybody that young (this isn't old England, hanging little pickpockets or shoplifters). Age 12 or onward is where serious crimes merit serious sentences, or around the pre-teen or pre-pubescent to pubescent threshold. From there on, just as rights and privileges grow, so should responsibilities and penalties for crime -- obviously.
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