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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51769/lessons-learned-well-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-228328</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For moderate Republicans, or peanut gallery liberals, to suggest that this is a repudiation of conservative electoral viability is to suggest you can&#039;t read vote tallies.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wishful, and often hateful, thinking and Feeling is what is happening in such cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For moderate Republicans, or peanut gallery liberals, to suggest that this is a repudiation of conservative electoral viability is to suggest you can&#39;t read vote tallies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wishful, and often hateful, thinking and Feeling is what is happening in such cases.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51769/lessons-learned-well-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-228327</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dem mouthpieces have been making too much hype about this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First and foremost, we have to ask if this wasn&#039;t a case primarily about resentment toward outsiders.  Note the vote totals for Scozzafava, even though she quit the race.  A protest vote -- against what?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was a special case.  Interestingly, it isn&#039;t just an issue about the non-primary &quot;selection&quot; method of putting a candidate on the ballot.  In the case of New York, it&#039;s the presence of the Conservative party for ages as recognition that Republicans there have been Dems Lite too much, too often.  (&quot;Rockefeller Republican&quot; is rightly used as a pejorative.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding &quot;Southern&quot; imagery and related matters, it merits mention here as well that we shouldn&#039;t read too much into the Virginia elections insofar as it is a reversion to Religious-Right-dominated old-fashioned heavily Southern Republican (with a big Bible-Belt influence) caricature or stereotype the Left likes to use about the South or the GOP.  That it&#039;s something of a model for the Sun Belt and the nation&#039;s future is obvious, but the picture is more complex than prejudiced lefties imagine (or contrive).  Virginia actually has two large metro areas, one of which in particular (&quot;northern Virginia&quot; = DC metro) is known for electing Democrats, not only Republicans, and this change from the stereotype is what needs to be anticipated elsewhere in the South[east] and the rest of the Sun Belt &quot;Red Nation&quot; eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dem mouthpieces have been making too much hype about this.</p>
<p>First and foremost, we have to ask if this wasn&#39;t a case primarily about resentment toward outsiders.  Note the vote totals for Scozzafava, even though she quit the race.  A protest vote &#8212; against what?</p>
<p>It was a special case.  Interestingly, it isn&#39;t just an issue about the non-primary &#8220;selection&#8221; method of putting a candidate on the ballot.  In the case of New York, it&#39;s the presence of the Conservative party for ages as recognition that Republicans there have been Dems Lite too much, too often.  (&#8220;Rockefeller Republican&#8221; is rightly used as a pejorative.)</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;Southern&#8221; imagery and related matters, it merits mention here as well that we shouldn&#39;t read too much into the Virginia elections insofar as it is a reversion to Religious-Right-dominated old-fashioned heavily Southern Republican (with a big Bible-Belt influence) caricature or stereotype the Left likes to use about the South or the GOP.  That it&#39;s something of a model for the Sun Belt and the nation&#39;s future is obvious, but the picture is more complex than prejudiced lefties imagine (or contrive).  Virginia actually has two large metro areas, one of which in particular (&#8220;northern Virginia&#8221; = DC metro) is known for electing Democrats, not only Republicans, and this change from the stereotype is what needs to be anticipated elsewhere in the South[east] and the rest of the Sun Belt &#8220;Red Nation&#8221; eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51769/lessons-learned-well-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-228180</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a former resident of NY 23, I&#039;ve found this entire episode utterly bizarre -- primarily because the North Country really is VERY unlike anywhere else in the US.  And they know it.  Not only that, but they really have NO liking for outsiders muscling their way in and trying to drive their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a former resident of NY 23, I&#39;ve found this entire episode utterly bizarre &#8212; primarily because the North Country really is VERY unlike anywhere else in the US.  And they know it.  Not only that, but they really have NO liking for outsiders muscling their way in and trying to drive their business.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51769/lessons-learned-well-maybe/comment-page-1/#comment-228152</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as NY 23 goes, I think it unfounded for anyone to draw hard conclusions.......for all the non-traditional elements it involved as well as the fact that the number of votes cast is less than a lot of races for the office of county coroner.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;For moderate Republicans, or peanut gallery liberals, to suggest that this is a repudiation of conservative electoral viability is to suggest you can&#039;t read vote tallies.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;For conservatives to think they can readily set up a credible candidate of their choosing in races of their choosing is to suggest they have no grasp on time, money and logistics.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The Althouse blog has a few posts from NY 23 voters. Even after reading those, I still don&#039;t see any consensus. I suspect this election took place at a moment of cusp. Therefore too soon to tell whether the status quo gets to hang around and a more thorough shakeup is brewing.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as NY 23 goes, I think it unfounded for anyone to draw hard conclusions&#8230;&#8230;.for all the non-traditional elements it involved as well as the fact that the number of votes cast is less than a lot of races for the office of county coroner.</p>
<p>For moderate Republicans, or peanut gallery liberals, to suggest that this is a repudiation of conservative electoral viability is to suggest you can&#39;t read vote tallies.</p>
<p>For conservatives to think they can readily set up a credible candidate of their choosing in races of their choosing is to suggest they have no grasp on time, money and logistics.</p>
<p>The Althouse blog has a few posts from NY 23 voters. Even after reading those, I still don&#39;t see any consensus. I suspect this election took place at a moment of cusp. Therefore too soon to tell whether the status quo gets to hang around and a more thorough shakeup is brewing.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The local Republican Party nominated a candidate who has actually won elections in this area. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;It was national, not local, organizations that drove her out of the race.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, all Republican incumbents should anticipate primary challenges from Club for Growth style candidates. Even if they come from relatively liberal states, like New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The local Republican Party nominated a candidate who has actually won elections in this area. </p>
<p><i>It was national, not local, organizations that drove her out of the race.</i></p>
<p>Now, all Republican incumbents should anticipate primary challenges from Club for Growth style candidates. Even if they come from relatively liberal states, like New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the incumbent headed off for a DC job, otherwise the problem never would have come up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the incumbent headed off for a DC job, otherwise the problem never would have come up</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belay my last.  I thought she was the incumbent but was indeed a state assemblyman.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Duh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belay my last.  I thought she was the incumbent but was indeed a state assemblyman.</p>
<p>Duh!</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We got a chance to see how letting the party big shots choose the candidates would work out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They chose the incumbent who been elected several times.   What should they have done, given the laws on the books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We got a chance to see how letting the party big shots choose the candidates would work out.</p></blockquote>
<p>They chose the incumbent who been elected several times.   What should they have done, given the laws on the books?</p>
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		<title>By: vey9</title>
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		<dc:creator>vey9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Party bosses hate primaries. Absolutely despise them and try to undermine them at every turn. They aren&#039;t supposed to choose sides in primaries, but they do. We got a chance to see how letting the party big shots choose the candidates would work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Party bosses hate primaries. Absolutely despise them and try to undermine them at every turn. They aren&#39;t supposed to choose sides in primaries, but they do. We got a chance to see how letting the party big shots choose the candidates would work out.</p>
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