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		<title>By: PrintMediaCentr.com &#8212; Blog &#8212; Leaked ACTA Internet Provisions: Three Strikes and a Global DMCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrintMediaCentr.com &#8212; Blog &#8212; Leaked ACTA Internet Provisions: Three Strikes and a Global DMCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leaked ACTA Internet Provisions: Three Strikes and a Global DMCA &#124; Digital Asset Management</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaked ACTA Internet Provisions: Three Strikes and a Global DMCA &#124; Digital Asset Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51558/obama-administration-secret-proposal-on-copyright-puts-isp-at-center-of-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-228140</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. All three of my crashes have been slow speed: one cat, one slippery something on an off ramp, and one clueless elderly lady at a 4-way stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. All three of my crashes have been slow speed: one cat, one slippery something on an off ramp, and one clueless elderly lady at a 4-way stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Obama Administration Secret Proposal On Copyright Puts ISP At Center Of Debate &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Obama Administration Secret Proposal On Copyright Puts ISP At Center Of Debate &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tamera Bennett, TMV. TMV said: Obama Administration Secret Proposal On Copyright Puts ISP At Center Of Debate: Back in March, Declan McCullagh repo... http://bit.ly/10Ntp2 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tamera Bennett, TMV. TMV said: Obama Administration Secret Proposal On Copyright Puts ISP At Center Of Debate: Back in March, Declan McCullagh repo&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/10Ntp2" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/10Ntp2</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think so Kathy. That&#039;s good info. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;happy motorcycling incidentally. Used to ride a nice beemer, but head on. You know how that goes afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think so Kathy. That&#39;s good info. </p>
<p>happy motorcycling incidentally. Used to ride a nice beemer, but head on. You know how that goes afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama Administration Colludes With U.S. Entertainment Industry &#171; WiredPen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Administration Colludes With U.S. Entertainment Industry &#171; WiredPen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article also appeared at The Moderate Voice and Newsvine Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)A tale of two trade warsBlacklist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, here are the &lt;a href=&quot;http://keionline.org/node/660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;42 individuals your U.S. Trade Representative&lt;/a&gt; thinks are &quot;everyone who need[s] to see the documents&quot;. FOI request worked after Knowledge Ecology International was told the list was secret due to (wait for it) &quot;national security.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;KEI was surprised to learn in early September that the United States Trade Representative was using nondisclosure agreements (NDAs) to selectively share copies of the ACTA Internet text outside of the USTR formal advisory board system.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When questioned about this practice, USTR told KEI that it had &quot;consulted with an array of experts from various IP and tech industries and associations and NGOs in the process of deliberation regarding a US proposal on one section of the agreement.&quot; According to persons who have been approached by USTR, this included the opportunity to review the texts that the United States would present at the next round of ACTA negotiation. USTR did not extend KEI an offer to view the text under an NDA.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We asked USTR for the names of the persons who had signed the NDAs and had been given access to the text. USTR declined, on the grounds that the release of the names of persons who had seen the text would undermine the national security of the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, here are the <a href="http://keionline.org/node/660" rel="nofollow">42 individuals your U.S. Trade Representative</a> thinks are &#8220;everyone who need[s] to see the documents&#8221;. FOI request worked after Knowledge Ecology International was told the list was secret due to (wait for it) &#8220;national security.&#8221;<br />
<blockquote>KEI was surprised to learn in early September that the United States Trade Representative was using nondisclosure agreements (NDAs) to selectively share copies of the ACTA Internet text outside of the USTR formal advisory board system.</p>
<p>When questioned about this practice, USTR told KEI that it had &#8220;consulted with an array of experts from various IP and tech industries and associations and NGOs in the process of deliberation regarding a US proposal on one section of the agreement.&#8221; According to persons who have been approached by USTR, this included the opportunity to review the texts that the United States would present at the next round of ACTA negotiation. USTR did not extend KEI an offer to view the text under an NDA.</p>
<p>We asked USTR for the names of the persons who had signed the NDAs and had been given access to the text. USTR declined, on the grounds that the release of the names of persons who had seen the text would undermine the national security of the United States.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archangel, I&#039;m still trying to find out if this treaty has to be ratified by the Senate. If so, calling would have more potential impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archangel, I&#39;m still trying to find out if this treaty has to be ratified by the Senate. If so, calling would have more potential impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51558/obama-administration-secret-proposal-on-copyright-puts-isp-at-center-of-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-227934</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Austin - see the EFF quote. Account termination based on *alleged* copyright violates due process and U.S. law. Moreover, making ISPs the heavy (liable) in this scenario is just flat wrong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;problem&quot; isn&#039;t copyright violation so much as extortion on the part of the entertainment industry. Copyright was only 14 years at the time of the Constitution. Now it&#039;s up to 125 years for a corporation, and life+70 years for an individual. That&#039;s too bloody long and violates the spirit of the U.S. Constitution, which grants LIMITED copyright.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, the U.S. doesn&#039;t like to be reminded that we broke copyright, brazenly, in the early days of the country. The folks &quot;hurt&quot; by our breaking copyright were British publishers and authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Austin &#8211; see the EFF quote. Account termination based on *alleged* copyright violates due process and U.S. law. Moreover, making ISPs the heavy (liable) in this scenario is just flat wrong.</p>
<p>The &#8220;problem&#8221; isn&#39;t copyright violation so much as extortion on the part of the entertainment industry. Copyright was only 14 years at the time of the Constitution. Now it&#39;s up to 125 years for a corporation, and life+70 years for an individual. That&#39;s too bloody long and violates the spirit of the U.S. Constitution, which grants LIMITED copyright.</p>
<p>Also, the U.S. doesn&#39;t like to be reminded that we broke copyright, brazenly, in the early days of the country. The folks &#8220;hurt&#8221; by our breaking copyright were British publishers and authors.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51558/obama-administration-secret-proposal-on-copyright-puts-isp-at-center-of-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-227933</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. I&#039;ve learned a little more. Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three-strikes-and-&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EFF&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;The safe harbors in the US Copyright law require ISPs to adopt and reasonably implement a policy for termination of “repeat infringers” “in appropriate circumstances”. US law currently gives ISPs considerable flexibility to determine what are “appropriate circumstances” justifying the termination of a customer’s Internet account. If the leak reports are correct, this would no longer be true. Instead, ISPs would be required to automatically terminate a customer upon a rightsholders’ repeat allegation of copyright infringement at a particular IP address.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. I&#39;ve learned a little more. Here&#39;s <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three-strikes-and-" rel="nofollow">EFF</a>:<br />
<blockquote>The safe harbors in the US Copyright law require ISPs to adopt and reasonably implement a policy for termination of “repeat infringers” “in appropriate circumstances”. US law currently gives ISPs considerable flexibility to determine what are “appropriate circumstances” justifying the termination of a customer’s Internet account. If the leak reports are correct, this would no longer be true. Instead, ISPs would be required to automatically terminate a customer upon a rightsholders’ repeat allegation of copyright infringement at a particular IP address.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ProfElwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfElwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it, but I can see where this is leading to. There&#039;s only one entity that can make itself immune to lawsuits -- the government. First, the laws are made that put tremendous burdens on the private system and twists it into knots. Then a government ISP is created for its own offices, then expanded until the entire system is government run. It even sounds familiar somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it, but I can see where this is leading to. There&#39;s only one entity that can make itself immune to lawsuits &#8212; the government. First, the laws are made that put tremendous burdens on the private system and twists it into knots. Then a government ISP is created for its own offices, then expanded until the entire system is government run. It even sounds familiar somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyright abuse is not new to Obama or W. This has been getting worse and worse over the years. It is ironically very bipartisan, as the front-line companies that want extended copyright laws have huge creative elements and tend to be solid Democratic supporters, and the corporate owners who also want it tend to be large Republican supporters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The people? Hah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright abuse is not new to Obama or W. This has been getting worse and worse over the years. It is ironically very bipartisan, as the front-line companies that want extended copyright laws have huge creative elements and tend to be solid Democratic supporters, and the corporate owners who also want it tend to be large Republican supporters.</p>
<p>The people? Hah.</p>
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		<title>By: michaelD</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;change&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;for the worse&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;you can believe in&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;and fear&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>change</b> <i>for the worse</i> <b>you can believe in</b> <i>and fear</i></p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calling your congress people/ writing the White House is a useful call, but is unlikely to be effective, as are most call/write ins. There are huge multinational corps involved in all this, not just the US, and not to mention huge cable coms et al... who are way more ferocious than the music industry has ever been.  Follow the case in Calif against Comcast to see where &#039;carrier&#039; responsibilty and &#039;free capacity without being slowed or rationed&#039; is going legally. Follow the p2p bills currently winding through congress. That some users even now think they are not being tracked by keystroke and by cookies and other means, is a sad state of awareness. Most dont even realize that there is money to be made not only by hacking and theiving, but more so by counter hacking the hackers. Spy vs Spy in Mad magazine comes to mind just right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calling your congress people/ writing the White House is a useful call, but is unlikely to be effective, as are most call/write ins. There are huge multinational corps involved in all this, not just the US, and not to mention huge cable coms et al&#8230; who are way more ferocious than the music industry has ever been.  Follow the case in Calif against Comcast to see where &#39;carrier&#39; responsibilty and &#39;free capacity without being slowed or rationed&#39; is going legally. Follow the p2p bills currently winding through congress. That some users even now think they are not being tracked by keystroke and by cookies and other means, is a sad state of awareness. Most dont even realize that there is money to be made not only by hacking and theiving, but more so by counter hacking the hackers. Spy vs Spy in Mad magazine comes to mind just right.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post appeared first at &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/1r4tg5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WiredPen&lt;/a&gt;, then &lt;a href=&quot;http://uspolitics.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/03/3457539-obama-administration-colludes-with-entertainment-titans?threadId=715944&amp;commentId=10455760&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Newsvine&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post appeared first at <a href="http://bit.ly/1r4tg5" rel="nofollow">WiredPen</a>, then <a href="http://uspolitics.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/03/3457539-obama-administration-colludes-with-entertainment-titans?threadId=715944&#038;commentId=10455760" rel="nofollow">Newsvine</a></p>
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