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		<title>By: newtothis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51542/veteran-suicide-witness-to-the-isle-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-228472</link>
		<dc:creator>newtothis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you dr. e for your ministry to the veterans.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Veteran Suicide: Witness To The Isle of the Dead &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Hans Spee and TMV, Bill Brandon. Bill Brandon said: &quot;Veteran Suicide: Witness to the Isle of the Dead&quot; http://bit.ly/1jyVaM Compassionate Mother, remember us. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Hans Spee and TMV, Bill Brandon. Bill Brandon said: &quot;Veteran Suicide: Witness to the Isle of the Dead&quot; <a href="http://bit.ly/1jyVaM" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1jyVaM</a> Compassionate Mother, remember us. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome.  Truly awesome.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a veteran, let me personally thank you, Doc, for the work you have done and continue to do.&lt;br&gt;You have earned my respect.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;May God continue to bless you in your endeavors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome.  Truly awesome.</p>
<p>As a veteran, let me personally thank you, Doc, for the work you have done and continue to do.<br />You have earned my respect.</p>
<p>May God continue to bless you in your endeavors.</p>
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		<title>By: LionAslan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51542/veteran-suicide-witness-to-the-isle-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-227863</link>
		<dc:creator>LionAslan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUDAN&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;coalition of Sudanese Islamist militants carry out 250 suicide attacks in which they kill themselves&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;lost boys of Sudan,&quot; often conscripted...  high suicide rate after &#039;rescue.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;two decades of civil war during which Arab Muslims in the north attacked, and enslaved black tribespeople in the south. Many committed suicide rather than escape&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.5 million people died in the war, deserted military, were captured by own people, escaped, killed themselves, murdered others, and still do...  then came famine killing 1 million more. Another 4 million were displaced.</description>
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<p>coalition of Sudanese Islamist militants carry out 250 suicide attacks in which they kill themselves</p>
<p>&#8220;lost boys of Sudan,&#8221; often conscripted&#8230;  high suicide rate after &#39;rescue.&#39;</p>
<p>two decades of civil war during which Arab Muslims in the north attacked, and enslaved black tribespeople in the south. Many committed suicide rather than escape</p>
<p>1.5 million people died in the war, deserted military, were captured by own people, escaped, killed themselves, murdered others, and still do&#8230;  then came famine killing 1 million more. Another 4 million were displaced.</p>
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		<title>By: spirasol</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirasol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward Tick, a clinical psychotherapist, presents some healing techniques that could prove salutary for veterans of our many wars. Here is an excerpt on shadow.&lt;br&gt;&quot;Worldwide, 3.6 million people have been killed in wars since 1990, many in the fifty-five civil wars during that period. Nearly half of the dead have been children, &#039;reflecting the fact that civilians have increasingly become the victims in contemporary conflicts.&#039; &lt;br&gt;&quot;In a personal communication, Vietnam War air force veteran Jim Helt writes: &quot; &#039;For me &quot;collateral damage&quot; is one of the most insidious phrases in the English language. At first brush it seems rather innocuous, but it means dead and wounded noncombatant women, children, men, elderly. It sanitizes death. &lt;br&gt;&quot;The technology of destruction has progressed so far that, even if a combatant or civilian survives physically unscathed, he or she is bound to be gravely impacted by the terror it evokes. Richard Gabriel, a former intelligence officer in the Pentagon&#039;s Directorate of Foreign Intelligence and an expert on combat psychiatry, states, &#039;War has simply become too stressful for even the strongest among us to stand for very long.&#039; Every participant in modern war inevitably experiences some degree of psychological, moral, or spiritual breakdown. William Manchester, a marine veteran of the Pacific theatre in World War II, comments regarding combatants in particular, &#039;No man in battle is really sane. The mind-set of the soldier on the battlefield is a highly disturbed mind, and this is an epidemic insanity which afflicts everybody there, and those not afflicted by it die very quickly.&#039; Gabriel says bluntly: &lt;br&gt;&quot; &#039;The simple fact is that men are crushed by the strain of modern war . . . All men are at risk of becoming psychiatric casualties and, in fact, most men will collapse given enough exposure to battle stress. There is no such thing as getting used to combat .. . . Studies of World War II soldiers revealed that about 2 percent [did] not collapse. But these men were already mad, for most of them were aggressive psychopathic personalities before they entered battle. It is only the sane who break down.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The archetypal dimensions of war — legends of heroic deeds, divine mentoring of the warrior inspired by elders, and battle conditions where these patterns could be lived out sufficiently to shape the soul — have been handed down through the generations to our present day. Yet modern conditions make the realization of these ancient and proven archetypes anachronistic, if not impossible. In modern war, combatants cannot become larger-than-life heroes. Rather, they are miniscule globules of armed protoplasm hurled at enemies in uncountable numbers. Massive death numbers, a scorched earth policy, and the technological weaponry to accomplish both are the hallmarks of modern war.&lt;br&gt;&quot;In the moral and spiritual vacuum caused by this much destruction, the only meaning that remains is mere survival. And survival, now reduced to an accident in the midst of global carnage, is laden with a sense of unworthiness and guilt. As Manchester said about the battle for Okinawa during World War II, &#039;The fact remains that more than seventy-seven thousand civilians died here during the battle, and no one comes out of a fight like that with clean hands.&#039; Under such conditions, the ancient mythic heroism, spirituality, and initiatory values of warfare are canceled out.&lt;br&gt;&quot;Yet the mythic dimensions of war remain very much with us as universal patterns in the human psyche that we attempt to replicate in every epoch of history. Young men, and now women, too, still march off as individual combatants striving to live out the model of the mythic warrior-hero. Whether enlisted as recruits for official or paramilitary, military or insurgent, guerilla or terrorist forces, they are taught, and still believe, that their wills, values, and small arms can stand as Excaliburs against evil. But into what kind of arena do they carry their patriotism and their impulse for heroism and initiation? We are trapped in a terrible tension between the soul&#039;s craving for realization of the warrior archetype and the realities of a warfare that devastates the soul who seeks it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward Tick, a clinical psychotherapist, presents some healing techniques that could prove salutary for veterans of our many wars. Here is an excerpt on shadow.<br />&#8220;Worldwide, 3.6 million people have been killed in wars since 1990, many in the fifty-five civil wars during that period. Nearly half of the dead have been children, &#39;reflecting the fact that civilians have increasingly become the victims in contemporary conflicts.&#39; <br />&#8220;In a personal communication, Vietnam War air force veteran Jim Helt writes: &#8221; &#39;For me &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; is one of the most insidious phrases in the English language. At first brush it seems rather innocuous, but it means dead and wounded noncombatant women, children, men, elderly. It sanitizes death. <br />&#8220;The technology of destruction has progressed so far that, even if a combatant or civilian survives physically unscathed, he or she is bound to be gravely impacted by the terror it evokes. Richard Gabriel, a former intelligence officer in the Pentagon&#39;s Directorate of Foreign Intelligence and an expert on combat psychiatry, states, &#39;War has simply become too stressful for even the strongest among us to stand for very long.&#39; Every participant in modern war inevitably experiences some degree of psychological, moral, or spiritual breakdown. William Manchester, a marine veteran of the Pacific theatre in World War II, comments regarding combatants in particular, &#39;No man in battle is really sane. The mind-set of the soldier on the battlefield is a highly disturbed mind, and this is an epidemic insanity which afflicts everybody there, and those not afflicted by it die very quickly.&#39; Gabriel says bluntly: <br />&#8221; &#39;The simple fact is that men are crushed by the strain of modern war . . . All men are at risk of becoming psychiatric casualties and, in fact, most men will collapse given enough exposure to battle stress. There is no such thing as getting used to combat .. . . Studies of World War II soldiers revealed that about 2 percent [did] not collapse. But these men were already mad, for most of them were aggressive psychopathic personalities before they entered battle. It is only the sane who break down.&#39;<br />&#8220;The archetypal dimensions of war — legends of heroic deeds, divine mentoring of the warrior inspired by elders, and battle conditions where these patterns could be lived out sufficiently to shape the soul — have been handed down through the generations to our present day. Yet modern conditions make the realization of these ancient and proven archetypes anachronistic, if not impossible. In modern war, combatants cannot become larger-than-life heroes. Rather, they are miniscule globules of armed protoplasm hurled at enemies in uncountable numbers. Massive death numbers, a scorched earth policy, and the technological weaponry to accomplish both are the hallmarks of modern war.<br />&#8220;In the moral and spiritual vacuum caused by this much destruction, the only meaning that remains is mere survival. And survival, now reduced to an accident in the midst of global carnage, is laden with a sense of unworthiness and guilt. As Manchester said about the battle for Okinawa during World War II, &#39;The fact remains that more than seventy-seven thousand civilians died here during the battle, and no one comes out of a fight like that with clean hands.&#39; Under such conditions, the ancient mythic heroism, spirituality, and initiatory values of warfare are canceled out.<br />&#8220;Yet the mythic dimensions of war remain very much with us as universal patterns in the human psyche that we attempt to replicate in every epoch of history. Young men, and now women, too, still march off as individual combatants striving to live out the model of the mythic warrior-hero. Whether enlisted as recruits for official or paramilitary, military or insurgent, guerilla or terrorist forces, they are taught, and still believe, that their wills, values, and small arms can stand as Excaliburs against evil. But into what kind of arena do they carry their patriotism and their impulse for heroism and initiation? We are trapped in a terrible tension between the soul&#39;s craving for realization of the warrior archetype and the realities of a warfare that devastates the soul who seeks it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: spirasol</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51542/veteran-suicide-witness-to-the-isle-of-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-227851</link>
		<dc:creator>spirasol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Warrior&#039;s Path  by Edward Tick&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our troops do not enlist because they want to destroy or kill. No matter the political climate, most troops seek to serve traditional warrior values: to protect the country they love, its ideals, and especially their families, communities, and each other. If they must kill or be killed, they need transcendent reasons to do so. Throughout history, the only reason for fighting that has survived moral scrutiny is a direct attack with real, immediate threat to one&#039;s people. PTSD is, in part, the tortured conscience of good people who did their best under conditions that would dehumanize anyone.&lt;br&gt;Almost all cultures, past and present, have had warriors. They have also had complex stories and rituals to help them recover from combat and guide them through the life cycle. The occurrence of warriors is so universal that depth psychologists understand Warrior to be one of our foundational psycho-spiritual archetypes.&lt;br&gt;In traditional cultures, boys and men studied a &quot;warrior&#039;s path.&quot; In these societies a warrior was not the same as a soldier; not merely a member of a huge, anonymous military institution used for the violent execution of political ends. Rather, warrior was one of the foundational roles that kept societies whole and strong. Warriors were fundamentally protectors, not destroyers.&lt;br&gt;People respond to the same call today. Michael, a Marine who served in Afghanistan, proudly declares that at age 18 he was the first in his state to enlist after 9/11. Nick, an army officer who served in Iraq, enlisted because of a lifelong desire &quot;to be like Hector defending the gates of Troy.&quot;&lt;br&gt;Warriorhood, however, is not so valued or nurtured in modern society. &quot;Warrior&quot; is not even a recognized social class. A veteran, especially one with disabilities, appears to many, and sometimes to him or herself, as a failure in terms of normal civilian identity. Michael fears that, as an experienced combat veteran, the only place on the planet he now fits is in the French Foreign Legion.</description>
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<p>Our troops do not enlist because they want to destroy or kill. No matter the political climate, most troops seek to serve traditional warrior values: to protect the country they love, its ideals, and especially their families, communities, and each other. If they must kill or be killed, they need transcendent reasons to do so. Throughout history, the only reason for fighting that has survived moral scrutiny is a direct attack with real, immediate threat to one&#39;s people. PTSD is, in part, the tortured conscience of good people who did their best under conditions that would dehumanize anyone.<br />Almost all cultures, past and present, have had warriors. They have also had complex stories and rituals to help them recover from combat and guide them through the life cycle. The occurrence of warriors is so universal that depth psychologists understand Warrior to be one of our foundational psycho-spiritual archetypes.<br />In traditional cultures, boys and men studied a &#8220;warrior&#39;s path.&#8221; In these societies a warrior was not the same as a soldier; not merely a member of a huge, anonymous military institution used for the violent execution of political ends. Rather, warrior was one of the foundational roles that kept societies whole and strong. Warriors were fundamentally protectors, not destroyers.<br />People respond to the same call today. Michael, a Marine who served in Afghanistan, proudly declares that at age 18 he was the first in his state to enlist after 9/11. Nick, an army officer who served in Iraq, enlisted because of a lifelong desire &#8220;to be like Hector defending the gates of Troy.&#8221;<br />Warriorhood, however, is not so valued or nurtured in modern society. &#8220;Warrior&#8221; is not even a recognized social class. A veteran, especially one with disabilities, appears to many, and sometimes to him or herself, as a failure in terms of normal civilian identity. Michael fears that, as an experienced combat veteran, the only place on the planet he now fits is in the French Foreign Legion.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by TMV: Veteran Suicide: Witness To The Isle of the Dead: 
The subject of veteran suicides rises every so often, like a dark... http://bit.ly/2TRTnq...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by TMV: Veteran Suicide: Witness To The Isle of the Dead:<br />
The subject of veteran suicides rises every so often, like a dark&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/2TRTnq.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2TRTnq..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that in Sudan where the backward North Sudanese people war with the even more backward tribal Sudanese peoples, that the soldiers/veterans do not commit suicide. Suicide is virtually non-existent yet war has raged for decades in the most hellish personae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that in Sudan where the backward North Sudanese people war with the even more backward tribal Sudanese peoples, that the soldiers/veterans do not commit suicide. Suicide is virtually non-existent yet war has raged for decades in the most hellish personae.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any veteran whose path crosses yours is a lucky person&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kathy:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have to stop taking the words out of my mouth :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, thank you, and.especially, thank you Dr. e.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any veteran whose path crosses yours is a lucky person&#8221;</p>
<p>Kathy:</p>
<p>You have to stop taking the words out of my mouth <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But, thank you, and.especially, thank you Dr. e.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr E, stunning as usual. I don&#039;t know where you get this great heart. I wish more had it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any veteran whose path crosses yours is a lucky person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr E, stunning as usual. I don&#39;t know where you get this great heart. I wish more had it.</p>
<p>Any veteran whose path crosses yours is a lucky person.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. E -  Your personal experience in the field is an invaluable perspective.  I hope this piece is read and reflected upon by those at Kathy&#039;s post.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bless you for your service to those in need.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;g.c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. E &#8211;  Your personal experience in the field is an invaluable perspective.  I hope this piece is read and reflected upon by those at Kathy&#39;s post.</p>
<p>Bless you for your service to those in need.</p>
<p>g.c.</p>
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