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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-227159</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for going off topic, but the better question is why doesn&#039;t Obama follow Teddy&#039;s example and collect the award when he leaves office.  This would take the pressure ( and some critics, like me) off his back, give him breathing room and give him that time to get some real accomplishments done.  And, I hope he really does, he is still my president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for going off topic, but the better question is why doesn&#39;t Obama follow Teddy&#39;s example and collect the award when he leaves office.  This would take the pressure ( and some critics, like me) off his back, give him breathing room and give him that time to get some real accomplishments done.  And, I hope he really does, he is still my president.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing, in the NYT article yesterday, they did NOT say coup.  However the little squib on the front page did say coup referring to the following article.  So, maybe the &quot;entire world&quot; (the NYT, included) may start dropping this erroneous characterization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing, in the NYT article yesterday, they did NOT say coup.  However the little squib on the front page did say coup referring to the following article.  So, maybe the &#8220;entire world&#8221; (the NYT, included) may start dropping this erroneous characterization.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226886</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the serious reply, no, it is not the entire world that refers to it as a coup. The only &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/2009-002965HNRPT.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;official report by a U.S. government agency&lt;/a&gt; does not for instance, and actually takes the same position I have advocated from the beginning, and reiterated on this thread.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To quote from the conclusions of that report:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;V. Was the removal of Honduran President Zelaya legal, in accordance with Honduran constitutional and statutory law?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Available sources indicate that the judicial and legislative branches applied constitutional and statutory law in the case against President Zelaya in a manner that was judged by the Honduran authorities from both branches of the government to be in accordance with the Honduran legal system.&lt;br&gt;However, removal of President Zelaya from the country by the military is in direct violation of the Article 102 of the Constitution, and apparently this action is currently under investigation by the Honduran authorities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Only the Left and Left-sympathizers refer to it as a coup. Of course, that is all that exists to the Left, their opinions, especially when the facts turn out to be &#039;an inconvenient truth&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the serious reply, no, it is not the entire world that refers to it as a coup. The only <a href="http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/2009-002965HNRPT.pdf" rel="nofollow">official report by a U.S. government agency</a> does not for instance, and actually takes the same position I have advocated from the beginning, and reiterated on this thread.</p>
<p>To quote from the conclusions of that report:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>V. Was the removal of Honduran President Zelaya legal, in accordance with Honduran constitutional and statutory law?</b><br />Available sources indicate that the judicial and legislative branches applied constitutional and statutory law in the case against President Zelaya in a manner that was judged by the Honduran authorities from both branches of the government to be in accordance with the Honduran legal system.<br />However, removal of President Zelaya from the country by the military is in direct violation of the Article 102 of the Constitution, and apparently this action is currently under investigation by the Honduran authorities.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only the Left and Left-sympathizers refer to it as a coup. Of course, that is all that exists to the Left, their opinions, especially when the facts turn out to be &#39;an inconvenient truth&#39;.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226885</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dduck coup, with crackers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dduck coup, with crackers!</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire world has referred to it as a coup, dduck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire world has referred to it as a coup, dduck.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226861</link>
		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would Oslo want to rethink the award? Is negotiated conflict resolution war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Oslo want to rethink the award? Is negotiated conflict resolution war?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226838</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We both do tend to talk past each other, and misread each other at times. I admit to being guilty of that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s keep up the good fight for our respective perspectives though. (wow, &quot;respective perspectives&quot; - what a GREAT band name!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We both do tend to talk past each other, and misread each other at times. I admit to being guilty of that.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s keep up the good fight for our respective perspectives though. (wow, &#8220;respective perspectives&#8221; &#8211; what a GREAT band name!)</p>
<p> <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to be moderate (grimace).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to be moderate (grimace).</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226833</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t you guess that already cut a deal for some kind of immunity to get the U.S&#039;s . nose out of this mess?&lt;br&gt;In other words, we drop sanctions, you drop the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#39;t you guess that already cut a deal for some kind of immunity to get the U.S&#39;s . nose out of this mess?<br />In other words, we drop sanctions, you drop the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226832</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50 years from now? Try today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 years from now? Try today.</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can they charge Zelaya with a crime? I was following the exchange between you and Austin Roth, and that came to me. Is his removal from the presidency the only punishment for breaking the law, or can he also be charged with something under Honduran law?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any other govt office they could remove citizenship and bar him from any position for 10 years. That&#039;s from memory only so I may be off a little. Manny of the things he has done may be criminal also, but the violation of the constitution by attempting to retain power doesn&#039;t come with a criminal charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can they charge Zelaya with a crime? I was following the exchange between you and Austin Roth, and that came to me. Is his removal from the presidency the only punishment for breaking the law, or can he also be charged with something under Honduran law?&#8221;</p>
<p>In any other govt office they could remove citizenship and bar him from any position for 10 years. That&#39;s from memory only so I may be off a little. Manny of the things he has done may be criminal also, but the violation of the constitution by attempting to retain power doesn&#39;t come with a criminal charge.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226821</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame on the NYT.  They are a newspaper of record, and 50 years from now people will think it was a coup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame on the NYT.  They are a newspaper of record, and 50 years from now people will think it was a coup.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226818</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dduck12 - &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I can&#039;t blame her, since the NYT keeps referring to it as a &quot;coup&quot;. Perhaps they and others set her opinion on this event and she ignores, as they did, the only official U.S report on the matter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Correct. This is otherwise known as &#039;The Big Lie&#039;. Say it loud enough, often enough, and with enough conviction, and it becomes accepted as fact by most in the face all contrary evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dduck12 &#8211; </p>
<blockquote><p>I can&#39;t blame her, since the NYT keeps referring to it as a &#8220;coup&#8221;. Perhaps they and others set her opinion on this event and she ignores, as they did, the only official U.S report on the matter.</p></blockquote>
<p>Correct. This is otherwise known as &#39;The Big Lie&#39;. Say it loud enough, often enough, and with enough conviction, and it becomes accepted as fact by most in the face all contrary evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226813</link>
		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sorry kathy, it was you.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps you are right. It may very well be the case that your meaning is clear and I simply cannot parse that clear meaning. In which case, I think it would make sense for me to stop trying to do so. I apologize for letting the argument drag on so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sorry kathy, it was you.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps you are right. It may very well be the case that your meaning is clear and I simply cannot parse that clear meaning. In which case, I think it would make sense for me to stop trying to do so. I apologize for letting the argument drag on so long.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226812</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After, Obama&#039;s stand on this issue, anyone in Oslo want to rethink the award?&lt;br&gt;Viva Honduras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After, Obama&#39;s stand on this issue, anyone in Oslo want to rethink the award?<br />Viva Honduras.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226798</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Seems to me this is a case of the Left feeling the ends justified the means.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Morality- as well as intelligence-free is standard.  I&#039;m surprised and disappointed that the Left didn&#039;t just say that Chavez should be in charge of all of Latin America and supervise binding arbitration of &quot;events&quot; and &quot;controversies&quot; such as this in the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Seems to me this is a case of the Left feeling the ends justified the means.&#8221;</p>
<p>Morality- as well as intelligence-free is standard.  I&#39;m surprised and disappointed that the Left didn&#39;t just say that Chavez should be in charge of all of Latin America and supervise binding arbitration of &#8220;events&#8221; and &#8220;controversies&#8221; such as this in the region.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226797</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More leftie exposure of its dark nature.  Congrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More leftie exposure of its dark nature.  Congrats.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t blame her, since the NYT keeps referring to it as a &quot;coup&quot;.  Perhaps they and others set her opinion on this event and she ignores, as they did, the only official U.S  report on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t blame her, since the NYT keeps referring to it as a &#8220;coup&#8221;.  Perhaps they and others set her opinion on this event and she ignores, as they did, the only official U.S  report on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/51245/agreement-reached-in-honduras-to-restore-status-quo-ante/comment-page-1/#comment-226704</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry kathy, it was you. There is nothing ambiguous about &lt;b&gt;The Legislative and Judicial branches united in their actions and opinions that Zelaya had violated their Constitution, and that they had the authority to remove him, using legal means.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is nothing in that statement that anyone could somehow read to mean &#039;they did not have the authority to remove him from office&#039;, or that a &#039;settlement&#039; that puts him back in office was needed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The confusion is yours, or rather the desire to read into what I said your point of view rather than mine, which I had clearly stated, and my condescending tone towards your bias and inability to successfully parse clear-meaning words was and is justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry kathy, it was you. There is nothing ambiguous about <b>The Legislative and Judicial branches united in their actions and opinions that Zelaya had violated their Constitution, and that they had the authority to remove him, using legal means.</b> </p>
<p>There is nothing in that statement that anyone could somehow read to mean &#39;they did not have the authority to remove him from office&#39;, or that a &#39;settlement&#39; that puts him back in office was needed.</p>
<p>The confusion is yours, or rather the desire to read into what I said your point of view rather than mine, which I had clearly stated, and my condescending tone towards your bias and inability to successfully parse clear-meaning words was and is justified.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity, Kat....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can they charge Zelaya with a crime?  I was following the exchange between you and Austin Roth, and that came to me.  Is his removal from the presidency the only punishment for breaking the law, or can he also be charged with something under Honduran law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, Kat&#8230;.</p>
<p>Can they charge Zelaya with a crime?  I was following the exchange between you and Austin Roth, and that came to me.  Is his removal from the presidency the only punishment for breaking the law, or can he also be charged with something under Honduran law?</p>
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