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		<title>By: New Taxes Added to Pelosi Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Taxes Added to Pelosi Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m no longer christian but some of these lessons have stayed with me &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, that&#039;s quite obvious.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Monetary gifts to the Church are to support the work of the Church - and ONLY as you have been prospered.  If you haven&#039;t prospered, you give nothing.  You must have been absent that one day you actually went to Bible study.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And we Christians do take care of our brothers and sisters.  It is our duty as CHRISTIANS, not our duty as AMERICANS per the Constitution.  As I&#039;ve exhaustedly tried to get across to Kathy Kattenburg.  This is why America is the most generous nation on planet Earth.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We give more to charity than any other country.&lt;br&gt;Why?&lt;br&gt;Is it because we have more social programs?&lt;br&gt;No.&lt;br&gt;Is it because we have so many government bureacracies?&lt;br&gt;Nope.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is because we remain a nation of faith - and faithful Christians give without end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#39;m no longer christian but some of these lessons have stayed with me &#8220;</p>
<p>Oh, that&#39;s quite obvious.</p>
<p>Monetary gifts to the Church are to support the work of the Church &#8211; and ONLY as you have been prospered.  If you haven&#39;t prospered, you give nothing.  You must have been absent that one day you actually went to Bible study.</p>
<p>And we Christians do take care of our brothers and sisters.  It is our duty as CHRISTIANS, not our duty as AMERICANS per the Constitution.  As I&#39;ve exhaustedly tried to get across to Kathy Kattenburg.  This is why America is the most generous nation on planet Earth.  </p>
<p>We give more to charity than any other country.<br />Why?<br />Is it because we have more social programs?<br />No.<br />Is it because we have so many government bureacracies?<br />Nope.  </p>
<p>It is because we remain a nation of faith &#8211; and faithful Christians give without end.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, they&#039;ll need to raise taxes. No more getting something for nothing.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Geez, Shannon.....  I don&#039;t know about you, but I already pay TOO MUCH in taxes.&lt;br&gt;We should all be aware that with FICA, Social Security, Medicare, State Taxes, County property taxes, Sales Taxes, and all of the fees from other bureacracies (DMV, etc);  add up to way more than 50% of our salaries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my case it&#039;s way more than 50% (if my math is correct).  Don&#039;t you find that a tad bit unacceptable?  I&#039;ve worked hard for that money.  Over half of my pay is not worth what I get from the government. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Out of the less than half of my pay, I must also pay for my family to live.&lt;br&gt;This is a form of slavery.  I&#039;m tired of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, they&#39;ll need to raise taxes. No more getting something for nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Geez, Shannon&#8230;..  I don&#39;t know about you, but I already pay TOO MUCH in taxes.<br />We should all be aware that with FICA, Social Security, Medicare, State Taxes, County property taxes, Sales Taxes, and all of the fees from other bureacracies (DMV, etc);  add up to way more than 50% of our salaries.</p>
<p>In my case it&#39;s way more than 50% (if my math is correct).  Don&#39;t you find that a tad bit unacceptable?  I&#39;ve worked hard for that money.  Over half of my pay is not worth what I get from the government. </p>
<p>Out of the less than half of my pay, I must also pay for my family to live.<br />This is a form of slavery.  I&#39;m tired of it.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfElwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfElwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but giving and getting robbed aren&#039;t equal concepts. Giving to charity improves your health, being forced to pay taxes just makes you poor. I have a choice of which charity to give to, and I take the time to check them out. When a charity shows a problem, like the United Way did a decade or so ago, it reacts quickly to fix the problem and get their vital reputation back. When a public program, like farm subsidies, is proven to be welfare for the rich, well, tough luck: you&#039;re &quot;giving&quot; to it anyway. And good luck getting your loving representative to hurt their own campaign financing by fixing it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, don&#039;t get me started on the &quot;charities&quot; of bank and union bailouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but giving and getting robbed aren&#39;t equal concepts. Giving to charity improves your health, being forced to pay taxes just makes you poor. I have a choice of which charity to give to, and I take the time to check them out. When a charity shows a problem, like the United Way did a decade or so ago, it reacts quickly to fix the problem and get their vital reputation back. When a public program, like farm subsidies, is proven to be welfare for the rich, well, tough luck: you&#39;re &#8220;giving&#8221; to it anyway. And good luck getting your loving representative to hurt their own campaign financing by fixing it.</p>
<p>Now, don&#39;t get me started on the &#8220;charities&#8221; of bank and union bailouts.</p>
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		<title>By: adelinesdad</title>
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		<dc:creator>adelinesdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know how to respond to Sil&#039;s comment.  I&#039;ll need to let it sink in.  For now, all I can say is that we seriously need a &quot;Dislike&quot; button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t even know how to respond to Sil&#39;s comment.  I&#39;ll need to let it sink in.  For now, all I can say is that we seriously need a &#8220;Dislike&#8221; button.</p>
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		<title>By: adelinesdad</title>
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		<dc:creator>adelinesdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the medical device tax.  Who are the ones most likely to need medical devices?  People who are sick.  So we are paying to help those who are sick by taxing the sick?  Now, I&#039;m not one to say that the world is going to end because we&#039;re imposing an additional 2.5% tax.  But I just don&#039;t get it.  Why would you do that?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I usually don&#039;t like to get into the details of my family medical situation, but I think I have to say this in order to express my frustration.  My son is kept alive and well thanks to an innovative enteral feeding pump.  As I read the list of taxed devices, I felt sure that enteral feeding pumps would not be among the list.  Surely they would just tax things they consider to be unnecessary medical extravagances.   Nope.  Apparently, the government thinks families like mine don&#039;t have enough to deal with already.  We should pay an extra 2.5% (which on some of these expensive devices is not chump change).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand that all of these new programs and services need to be paid for.  I just don&#039;t understand why anyone would target those who are already paying out the nose for devices they need because they are sick.  Please tell me this is just right-wing fear mongering.  I thought the point was to make health care less expensive, not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t understand the medical device tax.  Who are the ones most likely to need medical devices?  People who are sick.  So we are paying to help those who are sick by taxing the sick?  Now, I&#39;m not one to say that the world is going to end because we&#39;re imposing an additional 2.5% tax.  But I just don&#39;t get it.  Why would you do that?</p>
<p>I usually don&#39;t like to get into the details of my family medical situation, but I think I have to say this in order to express my frustration.  My son is kept alive and well thanks to an innovative enteral feeding pump.  As I read the list of taxed devices, I felt sure that enteral feeding pumps would not be among the list.  Surely they would just tax things they consider to be unnecessary medical extravagances.   Nope.  Apparently, the government thinks families like mine don&#39;t have enough to deal with already.  We should pay an extra 2.5% (which on some of these expensive devices is not chump change).  </p>
<p>I understand that all of these new programs and services need to be paid for.  I just don&#39;t understand why anyone would target those who are already paying out the nose for devices they need because they are sick.  Please tell me this is just right-wing fear mongering.  I thought the point was to make health care less expensive, not more.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the ones I listed don&#039;t have much credibility in the book of anyone other than left wing ideologues. But they are all darling of the Left and the Democrats, aren&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the ones I listed don&#39;t have much credibility in the book of anyone other than left wing ideologues. But they are all darling of the Left and the Democrats, aren&#39;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly comment, AR. Grover Norquist, the would be drowner of government, just doesn&#039;t have much credibility in the book of anyone other than right wing ideologues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly comment, AR. Grover Norquist, the would be drowner of government, just doesn&#39;t have much credibility in the book of anyone other than right wing ideologues.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, AR. I posted in the wrong thread and tried to delete. Only the text deleted; I couldn&#039;t delete the frame.</description>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to hear from someone from the real world.  I wonder what could happen if  the lawyers and accountants spoke to people like you and insurance people (the people in the trenches, not only the execs) when considering monster bills like this.  I have used the analogy of a Frankenstein in the past.  After seeing parts of this one, my new analogy will now be Godzilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s nice to hear from someone from the real world.  I wonder what could happen if  the lawyers and accountants spoke to people like you and insurance people (the people in the trenches, not only the execs) when considering monster bills like this.  I have used the analogy of a Frankenstein in the past.  After seeing parts of this one, my new analogy will now be Godzilla.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Kathy!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Kathy!  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Americans for Tax Reform? How low can you go for sources, Jazz?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What? The only groups you think are valid are those that are mouthpieces of the Democrats. Let me guess, ACORN, MoveOn, SEIU, etc., are your idea of independent organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Americans for Tax Reform? How low can you go for sources, Jazz?</i></p>
<p>What? The only groups you think are valid are those that are mouthpieces of the Democrats. Let me guess, ACORN, MoveOn, SEIU, etc., are your idea of independent organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: imavettoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>imavettoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyb, I realize that spellcheck recognizes buss &amp; staring as words in the English language but if you are going to pose as an intellectual please write like one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyb, I realize that spellcheck recognizes buss &#038; staring as words in the English language but if you are going to pose as an intellectual please write like one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cibercore Cybercorrespondent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cibercore Cybercorrespondent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would happen if any other political party pushed for a cap and trade bill that could create green jobs of which 9 out of 10 created would be unsustainable, require government subsidizing and cost the nations economy millions of real jobs? And this is not to mention the increase in manufacturing costs that would be passed on to us in time of depression. No matter if you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or an Independent, what do you think is going to happen when the government revenues are down and spending is quadrupled? As one senator from Florida was categorized as, “One must be a fry short of a happy meal” to believe that wiping out the U.S. dollar and reducing the purchasing power of our salaries and retirement savings is a good thing. How do you think the media or yourself would react if the republicans were the majority party and were negotiating behind closed doors on a republican senator’s proposal to overhaul one of our economy&#039;s largest industries, especially when it hasn&#039;t been written yet? On an almost straight party-line vote, Democrats in the Senate Finance Committee squashed an amendment by Senator Jim Bunning that would have required the Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and the Baucus healthcare or “rob our children and their children bill” to be posted on the Internet for all Americans to read for 72 hours prior to the Committee voting on it. There are Republicans who should be voted out of office as well. They are the ones who didn’t listen to the American people and under the veil of &quot;negotiations,&quot; kept the “rob our children and their children” bill scheme to socialize the nation&#039;s health care system alive. And those are not the only ones. Every politician who allowed the Federal Reserve to loan two trillion dollars without knowing to whom, for what or the disclosure of terms should be investigated, made accountable for their irresponsibility and thrown out of office as well. Sleeping on the job is no excuse. The Federal Reserve has no real oversight and it’s time for these politicians to get the message loud and clear. We need to learn from our past mistakes and before voting, find out the candidate’s passed association’s, voting record, speeches made and most importantly, don’t let the progressives in the media or celebrities who receive bribes from the likes of George Soros brain wash you. The buss is speeding to go over a cliff and we need to get hold of the staring wheel and the brakes. Cybercorrespondent &lt;a href=&quot;http://cybercorrespondent.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cybercorrespondent.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen if any other political party pushed for a cap and trade bill that could create green jobs of which 9 out of 10 created would be unsustainable, require government subsidizing and cost the nations economy millions of real jobs? And this is not to mention the increase in manufacturing costs that would be passed on to us in time of depression. No matter if you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or an Independent, what do you think is going to happen when the government revenues are down and spending is quadrupled? As one senator from Florida was categorized as, “One must be a fry short of a happy meal” to believe that wiping out the U.S. dollar and reducing the purchasing power of our salaries and retirement savings is a good thing. How do you think the media or yourself would react if the republicans were the majority party and were negotiating behind closed doors on a republican senator’s proposal to overhaul one of our economy&#39;s largest industries, especially when it hasn&#39;t been written yet? On an almost straight party-line vote, Democrats in the Senate Finance Committee squashed an amendment by Senator Jim Bunning that would have required the Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and the Baucus healthcare or “rob our children and their children bill” to be posted on the Internet for all Americans to read for 72 hours prior to the Committee voting on it. There are Republicans who should be voted out of office as well. They are the ones who didn’t listen to the American people and under the veil of &#8220;negotiations,&#8221; kept the “rob our children and their children” bill scheme to socialize the nation&#39;s health care system alive. And those are not the only ones. Every politician who allowed the Federal Reserve to loan two trillion dollars without knowing to whom, for what or the disclosure of terms should be investigated, made accountable for their irresponsibility and thrown out of office as well. Sleeping on the job is no excuse. The Federal Reserve has no real oversight and it’s time for these politicians to get the message loud and clear. We need to learn from our past mistakes and before voting, find out the candidate’s passed association’s, voting record, speeches made and most importantly, don’t let the progressives in the media or celebrities who receive bribes from the likes of George Soros brain wash you. The buss is speeding to go over a cliff and we need to get hold of the staring wheel and the brakes. Cybercorrespondent <a href="http://cybercorrespondent.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://cybercorrespondent.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Tax_Reform&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Americans for Tax Reform?&lt;/a&gt; How low can you go for sources, Jazz?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Tax_Reform" rel="nofollow">Americans for Tax Reform?</a> How low can you go for sources, Jazz?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the &#039;$2.2M per word&#039; in the bill calculation. Given that it is such a huge bill, that is really something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the &#39;$2.2M per word&#39; in the bill calculation. Given that it is such a huge bill, that is really something.</p>
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		<title>By: VeratheGun</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeratheGun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read the bill.  I doubt very many people have.  But it all comes down to WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I work in health care.  I see it every single day.  The waste, the mismanagement of patients and funds.  EVERYONE wants something for nothing or next to nothing. EVERYONE.  Heck, I&#039;m probably just as guilty as the next person.  But if we keep going down the path we are on now, we are going to bankrupt ourselves, COMPLETELY.  It&#039;s unsustainable.  Absolutely unsustainable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone should be covered, everyone should PAY.  Health care costs--it costs a LOT of money.  But its the cost a civilized society bears, to call itself civilized.  A single night in our SICU costs $5000--and that&#039;s before any medications or procedures.  A single bottle of IVIg costs $12,000--and a couple of months ago, one of my patients got 8 of them, over a period of a few weeks.  On and on and on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look, I&#039;m just as conflicted as most people.  I&#039;ve gotten some heat for telling the truth about what it&#039;s like on the front lines, as one of the people who actually does the work of taking care of sick people.  There are people who abuse the system, in the most egregious ways, it would make you sick. But there are far many more people who are not getting the treatment they need and deserve.  We have the ability to tackle both problems at once.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We need to cover who we can cover, PAY for it, and then focus on the serial abusers of the system, either getting them outpatient treatment, psych treatment, placement, etc.  It&#039;s not going to be cheap, but it&#039;s costing us a fortune TODAY to keep the existing system in place.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;End of rant.  I wish some other health care workers would post here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read the bill.  I doubt very many people have.  But it all comes down to WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING!</p>
<p>I work in health care.  I see it every single day.  The waste, the mismanagement of patients and funds.  EVERYONE wants something for nothing or next to nothing. EVERYONE.  Heck, I&#39;m probably just as guilty as the next person.  But if we keep going down the path we are on now, we are going to bankrupt ourselves, COMPLETELY.  It&#39;s unsustainable.  Absolutely unsustainable.</p>
<p>Everyone should be covered, everyone should PAY.  Health care costs&#8211;it costs a LOT of money.  But its the cost a civilized society bears, to call itself civilized.  A single night in our SICU costs $5000&#8211;and that&#39;s before any medications or procedures.  A single bottle of IVIg costs $12,000&#8211;and a couple of months ago, one of my patients got 8 of them, over a period of a few weeks.  On and on and on.</p>
<p>Look, I&#39;m just as conflicted as most people.  I&#39;ve gotten some heat for telling the truth about what it&#39;s like on the front lines, as one of the people who actually does the work of taking care of sick people.  There are people who abuse the system, in the most egregious ways, it would make you sick. But there are far many more people who are not getting the treatment they need and deserve.  We have the ability to tackle both problems at once.  </p>
<p>We need to cover who we can cover, PAY for it, and then focus on the serial abusers of the system, either getting them outpatient treatment, psych treatment, placement, etc.  It&#39;s not going to be cheap, but it&#39;s costing us a fortune TODAY to keep the existing system in place.</p>
<p>End of rant.  I wish some other health care workers would post here.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no cause more directly biblical and of morality than to be thy brother&#039;s keeper in the most basic of ways: providing for his physical health&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In more ambitious days, it was presumed health care would be provided, eventually, on earth, while the truly celestial thing to do instead was to provide a guaranteed minimum income to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no cause more directly biblical and of morality than to be thy brother&#39;s keeper in the most basic of ways: providing for his physical health&#8221;</p>
<p>In more ambitious days, it was presumed health care would be provided, eventually, on earth, while the truly celestial thing to do instead was to provide a guaranteed minimum income to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sil, if you&#039;re proposing a tax rate of 10% (which is what tithing is)...I&#039;m in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sil, if you&#39;re proposing a tax rate of 10% (which is what tithing is)&#8230;I&#39;m in!</p>
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