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2009=1933?

In the day or two we”ll likely get an official announcement that the recession has ended. If it comes along as expected, it will be based on readings showing that the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rose in the recently ended third quarter.

Economists, a group where unemployment is currently unknown, will hail the report. So, too, will stock analysts whose expectations are invariably exceeded, along with officials in Washington whose own policies have allowed Wall Street to chalk up record bonuses, $140 billion worth, in the current year.

Will the back patting and hosannas of these worthies mean anything to the rest of us? Not much. Indeed, based on a previous analogous set of numbers, the present ones suggesting that a “recovery has indeed begun” will mean squat.

Here are these previous ones. After the crash of 1929, the country’s GDP dropped sharply, but again reached 1929 levels by the end of 1933. Which, according to economists, meant that the 1930s Depression was over. A couple of years later in 1937, investment levels had also exceeded those of 1929, another measure used by economists to measure the health of an economy. Oh, and after 1933, unemployment also began to drop gradually from its 24 percent high in 1933.

Does anyone except an economist really think the Great Depression ended in 1933? If so, let me suggest you rent or get from your local library videos of “Carnivale,” a visually extraordinary HBO series that captures many of the horrors of the post-1933 years to an amazing extent.

Now a suggestion to economists, the Wall Street crowd, and the folks in Beltway land. Don’t make too big a deal when official numbers say the present recession has ended and a recovery has officially begun — not when such claims go so directly against the reality felt by most Americans. It will only make you appear even less deserving of respect than is currently the case.

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  • mikkel
    "After the crash of 1929, the country’s GDP dropped sharply, but again reached 1929 levels by the end of 1933."

    Uh, that's not true. It did start rising from the trough then.

    For my money I think we're more like 1930-31 still...although it may be quite protracted. By that I mean I don't think we've hit bottom. I thought that we were going to start the descent two months ago, but all the stimulus worked better than I imagined, so maybe I'm wrong, but the underlying fundamentals are still decreasing.

    That's why the current situation index for consumer confidence is continuing to decrease.
  • DLS
    "all the stimulus worked better than I imagined, so maybe I'm wrong, but the underlying fundamentals are still decreasing"

    The credit card bomb has yet to explode, much stimulus has been [mis]used to prop up state government budgets*, and unemployment insurance has yet to run out.

    * Not only was it irresponsible to [mis]use stimulus money on a short-term basis to prop up state budgets this year, but in at least some cases like Michigan's, the budget problems are expected to be worse next year. Despite this being well-known, politicians in Michigan chose to [mis]spend most or all of the money this year, rather than sensibly at least holding most of the money in reserve for next year.
  • mikkel
    I should have been more specific. I was referring explicitly to propping up asset prices, which they think is the #1 most important thing for some reason.

    It is amazing how fast consumer debt is contracting, and it's picking up speed, with the credit card companies committing suicide by changing APR to 30%, charging fees for not carrying a balance, etc. There seems to be near full on revolt.

    I shudder to think what state budgets will look like next year. They were projected to be far worse than this year even with a return to above average growth. Needless to say that won't happen and even with "surprising" growth in the last quarter, their budgets for this year have already fallen out of whack again.

    That said, the banks do have nearly $1 trillion in excess reserves saved up, the government is still funneling billions of dollars into any company that claims to be important and we are back to bubble levels in many markets.

    I think it'll come down to chicken. Will people have the political will to stand up against entities that are stealing from current and future prosperity...which will surely lead to a severe and instant shock, or will they give in to propaganda and malaise and let there be prolonged (at least until the chinese stop buying bonds) misery?
  • DLS
    "I was referring explicitly to propping up asset prices, which they think is the #1 most important thing for some reason."

    Who knows -- most likely, trying to present people with numbers that look good (better), what can be done to manipulate public opinion. The question it raises is to what extent it may be cynical, just propping up assets to make people feel better while it can be done (as with state budgets), at least until the elections next year. (If they are not cynical in doing this, certainly it's cynical and realistic to view it this way!)
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