Comments on: Peace and Nationalism in the Middle East http://themoderatevoice.com/51009/peace-and-nationalism-in-the-middle-east/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/51009/peace-and-nationalism-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-1/#comment-226106 DLS Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:32:08 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=51009#comment-226106 There won't be peace so long as Israel's enemies refuse to accept it and insist on destroying it.<br><br>That other Arab nations will continue to exploit the refugees as political pawns is no surprise at all.<br><br>As for nationalism, it's so typical for leftists to disparage nationalism and the nation-state (except where they prefer authoritarian government of all kinds, as well as submission of viable nations to something larger and more collectivist, namely world government), while they find it convenient as Hitler did in the past, to use sometimes as a political weapon, as often the case with the concept of a Palestinian state. There won't be peace so long as Israel's enemies refuse to accept it and insist on destroying it.

That other Arab nations will continue to exploit the refugees as political pawns is no surprise at all.

As for nationalism, it's so typical for leftists to disparage nationalism and the nation-state (except where they prefer authoritarian government of all kinds, as well as submission of viable nations to something larger and more collectivist, namely world government), while they find it convenient as Hitler did in the past, to use sometimes as a political weapon, as often the case with the concept of a Palestinian state.

]]> By: adesnik http://themoderatevoice.com/51009/peace-and-nationalism-in-the-middle-east/comment-page-1/#comment-226092 adesnik Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:38:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=51009#comment-226092 Spencer seems to be avoiding the fairly obvious point that no matter how many Palestinians there are in the West Bank and Gaza, they cannot gain citizenship without Israeli consent. Thus, they cannot force Israel to choose between being a democracy and being a Jewish homeland.<br><br>Sadly, it is entirely possible for millions of Palestinians to go on living in stateless limbo as they have for the past 40 years.<br><br>Also, I'm perfectly glad to take the "pro-Israel" label away from those who don't want it. If someone with Catholic parents says he is an atheist who rejects organized religion, would I still insist on describing him as Catholic? Spencer seems to be avoiding the fairly obvious point that no matter how many Palestinians there are in the West Bank and Gaza, they cannot gain citizenship without Israeli consent. Thus, they cannot force Israel to choose between being a democracy and being a Jewish homeland.

Sadly, it is entirely possible for millions of Palestinians to go on living in stateless limbo as they have for the past 40 years.

Also, I'm perfectly glad to take the “pro-Israel” label away from those who don't want it. If someone with Catholic parents says he is an atheist who rejects organized religion, would I still insist on describing him as Catholic?

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