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	<title>Comments on: A Tax on Red Meat? Oh No You Don&#8217;t.</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226139</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our standard of living is much higher than just about any country in Europe&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Europe has seen improvements since a generation ago, when everything was not only more expensive there but often old and often too small!  (Back then, Motel 6 was a palace by European standards.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While Europe has climbed, it still has an inferior economic system and worse unemployment normally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, we don&#039;t want much higher taxes and government interventionism (or nearly all retirement income coming from government, etc., as in European countries, something it won&#039;t be able to sustain in its current form).  Other nations also have higher TB or HIV infection rates, so should we seek these, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our standard of living is much higher than just about any country in Europe&#8221;</p>
<p>Europe has seen improvements since a generation ago, when everything was not only more expensive there but often old and often too small!  (Back then, Motel 6 was a palace by European standards.)</p>
<p>While Europe has climbed, it still has an inferior economic system and worse unemployment normally.</p>
<p>No, we don&#39;t want much higher taxes and government interventionism (or nearly all retirement income coming from government, etc., as in European countries, something it won&#39;t be able to sustain in its current form).  Other nations also have higher TB or HIV infection rates, so should we seek these, too?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226138</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And can those who disagree with abortion remove their money from Planned Parenthood funding? Those who oppose war withdraw their money from funding the Pentagon? After all - fair IS fair.....&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NOTE:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It has customarily been the Right that has expressed favor for &quot;earmarking&quot; of expenditures by taxpayers, when discussing the frequent behavior by government (notably, Washington) in defiance of what the people want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And can those who disagree with abortion remove their money from Planned Parenthood funding? Those who oppose war withdraw their money from funding the Pentagon? After all &#8211; fair IS fair&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>NOTE:</p>
<p>It has customarily been the Right that has expressed favor for &#8220;earmarking&#8221; of expenditures by taxpayers, when discussing the frequent behavior by government (notably, Washington) in defiance of what the people want.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226120</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh no. We are 4th among nations unless healthcare is added to the statistic and then we are sixth in standard of living statistics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I actually lived in Europe for a decade. Not in some American community either. Irrelevant though, Since these statistics are widely known and easily researched. We are listed higher than Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh no. We are 4th among nations unless healthcare is added to the statistic and then we are sixth in standard of living statistics.</p>
<p>I actually lived in Europe for a decade. Not in some American community either. Irrelevant though, Since these statistics are widely known and easily researched. We are listed higher than Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: BeaElliott</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226119</link>
		<dc:creator>BeaElliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure you can LL - You first! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure you can LL &#8211; You first! <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LadyLogician</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226051</link>
		<dc:creator>LadyLogician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;can I withdraw all my VEGAN money from the meat subsidies &amp; from animal agriculture? &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And can those who disagree with abortion remove their money from Planned Parenthood funding?  Those who oppose war withdraw their money from funding the Pentagon?  After all - fair IS fair.....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;can I withdraw all my VEGAN money from the meat subsidies &#038; from animal agriculture? &#8220;</p>
<p>And can those who disagree with abortion remove their money from Planned Parenthood funding?  Those who oppose war withdraw their money from funding the Pentagon?  After all &#8211; fair IS fair&#8230;..</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: LadyLogician</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226050</link>
		<dc:creator>LadyLogician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The European&#039;s tax is higher than ours and so is their standard of living because of it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Speaking as someone who has actually LIVED in Europe (and not just read either sides propaganda about it) you are dead wrong Father Time.  Our standard of living is much higher than just about any country in Europe - except maybe Ireland&#039;s.....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The European&#39;s tax is higher than ours and so is their standard of living because of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who has actually LIVED in Europe (and not just read either sides propaganda about it) you are dead wrong Father Time.  Our standard of living is much higher than just about any country in Europe &#8211; except maybe Ireland&#39;s&#8230;..</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: LadyLogician</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226049</link>
		<dc:creator>LadyLogician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;90-plus per cent (more like 99-plus per cent, it seems) of food poisonings involve meat, milk, eggs, fish -- animal biologicals.  That is something vegeterians and vegans avoid.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re kidding right?  Vegans and vegeterians have been the ones hit HARDEST lately with all the e-coli scares - or have you forgotten all of the tainted lettuce, tomatoes and peppers of the last two summers?  That is why I grow my own.  Too many big growers using organic fecal matter to fertilize their crops!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;90-plus per cent (more like 99-plus per cent, it seems) of food poisonings involve meat, milk, eggs, fish &#8212; animal biologicals.  That is something vegeterians and vegans avoid.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#39;re kidding right?  Vegans and vegeterians have been the ones hit HARDEST lately with all the e-coli scares &#8211; or have you forgotten all of the tainted lettuce, tomatoes and peppers of the last two summers?  That is why I grow my own.  Too many big growers using organic fecal matter to fertilize their crops!</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-226028</link>
		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you DLS. Bowhunters. What ruth hunters, usually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you DLS. Bowhunters. What ruth hunters, usually.</p>
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		<title>By: BVegan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225970</link>
		<dc:creator>BVegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A meat diet is not clearly good for our health and for the environment. Please check this out: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%2520and%2520Climate%2520Change.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%2...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A meat diet is not clearly good for our health and for the environment. Please check this out: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%2520and%2520Climate%2520Change.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%2&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225925</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It isn&#039;t good for me. It takes a lot of energy and grain to raise a cow, not to mention the carbon footprint.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Carbon&quot; is a false demon of environmental extremism (&quot;global warming&quot; or &quot;climate change&quot; religion).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s safe to say that it requires heavy use of resources like water and plants (food-chain climbing), which is another reason besides its mere richness why I say it should be viewed in the old-fashioned way, as a premium food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It isn&#39;t good for me. It takes a lot of energy and grain to raise a cow, not to mention the carbon footprint.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Carbon&#8221; is a false demon of environmental extremism (&#8220;global warming&#8221; or &#8220;climate change&#8221; religion).</p>
<p>It&#39;s safe to say that it requires heavy use of resources like water and plants (food-chain climbing), which is another reason besides its mere richness why I say it should be viewed in the old-fashioned way, as a premium food.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;when we teach boy scouts at the range for their shooting badges,&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank God, sanity still prevails somewhere.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And you&#039;re right about the hunting.  Not just the respect for the quarry, but the stalking and other effort (which is why bowhunters value what they do), which doesn&#039;t even require a gun; a camera does it, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when we teach boy scouts at the range for their shooting badges,&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank God, sanity still prevails somewhere.</p>
<p>And you&#39;re right about the hunting.  Not just the respect for the quarry, but the stalking and other effort (which is why bowhunters value what they do), which doesn&#39;t even require a gun; a camera does it, too.</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225923</link>
		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when we teach boy scouts at the range for their shooting badges, we use NRA standards toward teaching about animals including those that intrude. The attitude is that if in your judgement you have to kill, and not for meat, then one does it clean, with no crowing, and with various ways of handling the animal&#039;s body afterward that make it safe for other humans and other animals, esp if the animal is diseased, or might be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ps fathertime, some people liked your poem over on the other article. go see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when we teach boy scouts at the range for their shooting badges, we use NRA standards toward teaching about animals including those that intrude. The attitude is that if in your judgement you have to kill, and not for meat, then one does it clean, with no crowing, and with various ways of handling the animal&#39;s body afterward that make it safe for other humans and other animals, esp if the animal is diseased, or might be.</p>
<p>ps fathertime, some people liked your poem over on the other article. go see.</p>
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		<title>By: BeaElliott</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225859</link>
		<dc:creator>BeaElliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... at the very least - If your red meat cannot be taxed - in all fairness, can I withdraw all my VEGAN money from the meat subsidies &amp; from animal agriculture? Can I reserve my share of health costs to not cover illnesses related to an omnivore diet? Can I withhold my &quot;contribution&quot; to government bailouts to the pork industry? To the dairy industry? Fair is fair. Let the true cost of burgers, chops and wings be seen! Eliminate the grant money to animal agriculture! Demand that the animal &quot;farmers&quot; pay for the destruction to ground water and eco system! Stop the sponsership of &quot;research&quot; in the meat &quot;sciences&quot;! End the cattle grazing on public lands at pennies an acre! No. I didn&#039;t think so. No one wants to pay the true cost of flesh without Uncle Sam&#039;s handouts... Sickening isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; at the very least &#8211; If your red meat cannot be taxed &#8211; in all fairness, can I withdraw all my VEGAN money from the meat subsidies &#038; from animal agriculture? Can I reserve my share of health costs to not cover illnesses related to an omnivore diet? Can I withhold my &#8220;contribution&#8221; to government bailouts to the pork industry? To the dairy industry? Fair is fair. Let the true cost of burgers, chops and wings be seen! Eliminate the grant money to animal agriculture! Demand that the animal &#8220;farmers&#8221; pay for the destruction to ground water and eco system! Stop the sponsership of &#8220;research&#8221; in the meat &#8220;sciences&#8221;! End the cattle grazing on public lands at pennies an acre! No. I didn&#39;t think so. No one wants to pay the true cost of flesh without Uncle Sam&#39;s handouts&#8230; Sickening isn&#39;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225800</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know what you meant to link from the CIA or why you&#039;d think they&#039;d be authoritative on US income, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the IRS reports the same thing&lt;/a&gt;.  Of the 110,522,670 household returns they received in 2007, 1,040,998 (0.94%) made $500K or more, and only 0.14% made $2M or more.  Your numbers are off by a factor of 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t know what you meant to link from the CIA or why you&#39;d think they&#39;d be authoritative on US income, but <a href="http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521,00.html" rel="nofollow">the IRS reports the same thing</a>.  Of the 110,522,670 household returns they received in 2007, 1,040,998 (0.94%) made $500K or more, and only 0.14% made $2M or more.  Your numbers are off by a factor of 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225786</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two months ago I murdered a whole family of raccoons. Momma, papa and two crappy little brats with my daddy&#039;s old 22 auto.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;nuisance critters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Believe me I showed no respect. Tossed their carcasses in a land fill like they never existed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two months ago I murdered a whole family of raccoons. Momma, papa and two crappy little brats with my daddy&#39;s old 22 auto.</p>
<p>nuisance critters.</p>
<p>Believe me I showed no respect. Tossed their carcasses in a land fill like they never existed.</p>
<p>Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/50829/a-tax-on-red-meat-oh-no-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-225785</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to disagree....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;....too busy hanging on for the corners....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;....where we go&#039;n so fast anyway....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not going to disagree&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.too busy hanging on for the corners&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.where we go&#39;n so fast anyway&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please Wiki????&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Eat...https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ya bug eyed conservapinko....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please Wiki????</p>
<p>Eat&#8230;<a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/" rel="nofollow">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/</a></p>
<p>ya bug eyed conservapinko&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, so, why not?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The European&#039;s tax is higher than ours and so is their standard of living because of it. You are just not catching on are ya? Try taking a look around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, so, why not?</p>
<p>The European&#39;s tax is higher than ours and so is their standard of living because of it. You are just not catching on are ya? Try taking a look around.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, in less than one year in office, Obama HAS borrowed more from China than the entire 8 years of Bush. And he is only about 5% - 10% of the way along his deficit spending.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have said for years that Republicans had no more fiscal control than Democrats. Boy, was I wrong! Republicans do not have fiscal control either, but it is like speeding on the highway. The Republicans go 15 - 20 MPH above the limit; the Democrats go 2 -3 times the limit!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, in less than one year in office, Obama HAS borrowed more from China than the entire 8 years of Bush. And he is only about 5% &#8211; 10% of the way along his deficit spending.</p>
<p>I have said for years that Republicans had no more fiscal control than Democrats. Boy, was I wrong! Republicans do not have fiscal control either, but it is like speeding on the highway. The Republicans go 15 &#8211; 20 MPH above the limit; the Democrats go 2 -3 times the limit!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey we need to pay back our loans from Communist China. (thank you George Bush).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;The healthcare reform Tax Rise will be placed upon those with the highest 1.5% income. That’s income in the dozens of millions and up.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Father Time, I don&#039;t think your credibility could be in sorrier shape if you took it out and beat it against rocks.  I&#039;m no fan of Mr. Bush, but the fact are that Mr. Obama will be borrowing much more from China, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the top 1.5% of households&lt;/a&gt; start at about $250K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey we need to pay back our loans from Communist China. (thank you George Bush).</i></p>
<p><i>The healthcare reform Tax Rise will be placed upon those with the highest 1.5% income. That’s income in the dozens of millions and up.</i></p>
<p>Father Time, I don&#39;t think your credibility could be in sorrier shape if you took it out and beat it against rocks.  I&#39;m no fan of Mr. Bush, but the fact are that Mr. Obama will be borrowing much more from China, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States " rel="nofollow">the top 1.5% of households</a> start at about $250K.</p>
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