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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;spoke well and looked good in front of the camera&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s all that matters to some.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On another note, there&#039;s always the &quot;replicating home&quot; theme to consider.  Bill Clinton ran his administration like Arkansas (corruption, cronyism, sleaze).  Bush ran it like Texas (a &quot;Good Time Charliie&quot; governor, at least until September 2001).  Obama may be running some of it like the city of Chicago (corruption, obsolescent model, a lot of Sixties-relic-radical-oriented play-pen elitist liberals trying to run things like a giant old Blue Nation dead central city City Hall, with ineptitude coming with the naive idealism underlying so much &quot;progressive activist&quot; politics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;spoke well and looked good in front of the camera&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s all that matters to some.</p>
<p>On another note, there&#39;s always the &#8220;replicating home&#8221; theme to consider.  Bill Clinton ran his administration like Arkansas (corruption, cronyism, sleaze).  Bush ran it like Texas (a &#8220;Good Time Charliie&#8221; governor, at least until September 2001).  Obama may be running some of it like the city of Chicago (corruption, obsolescent model, a lot of Sixties-relic-radical-oriented play-pen elitist liberals trying to run things like a giant old Blue Nation dead central city City Hall, with ineptitude coming with the naive idealism underlying so much &#8220;progressive activist&#8221; politics).</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deeds rather than words?  Substance rather than style, the normal lib &amp; Dem rule?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re all still waiting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, note: to the extent that Obama has done (and even said) more lately, it&#039;s not been good.  He has joined the lib Dems in Congress in insisting (facts and thought be damned -- adhering to his party and ideology) in the insistence on rushing to approve all kinds of bad legislation seeking bad and wrong things -- or else, we face disaster.  (We can&#039;t wait; we can&#039;t afford to wait, or not to do something, aieee!).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He notably disturbed people by allying himself with loonier House lib Dems with &quot;climate&quot; legislation in particular, as well as joining them in overreach and fumbling on health care &quot;reform&quot; [sic; federal takeover].  He has descended low lately, attacking all kinds of opposition in dishonest, scummy ways (rather than try to actually achieve something and say something positive and truly progressive, in the correct sense of these words) and threatens more wrongful interventionism and destruction of the private sector.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But to the superficial, low-IQ, and faithful adorers, more public image and personality-cult manipulation is okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deeds rather than words?  Substance rather than style, the normal lib &#038; Dem rule?</p>
<p>We&#39;re all still waiting.</p>
<p>However, note: to the extent that Obama has done (and even said) more lately, it&#39;s not been good.  He has joined the lib Dems in Congress in insisting (facts and thought be damned &#8212; adhering to his party and ideology) in the insistence on rushing to approve all kinds of bad legislation seeking bad and wrong things &#8212; or else, we face disaster.  (We can&#39;t wait; we can&#39;t afford to wait, or not to do something, aieee!).</p>
<p>He notably disturbed people by allying himself with loonier House lib Dems with &#8220;climate&#8221; legislation in particular, as well as joining them in overreach and fumbling on health care &#8220;reform&#8221; [sic; federal takeover].  He has descended low lately, attacking all kinds of opposition in dishonest, scummy ways (rather than try to actually achieve something and say something positive and truly progressive, in the correct sense of these words) and threatens more wrongful interventionism and destruction of the private sector.</p>
<p>But to the superficial, low-IQ, and faithful adorers, more public image and personality-cult manipulation is okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my take also. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conservatives are such liars it&#039;s unbelievable. Layer over layer of lies and subterfuge.  People just don’t want to believe that those that wave the flag up people’s butt would be anything other than tried and true patriots. Fact is they are just full of crap.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Martha Mahar on Lou Dobbs was EXCELLENT yesterday because she actually read and comprehended the evolving healthcare bill. She shut down her opponent and Lou Dobbs both and was a wealth of information! For one, the tax on the wealthy will be on only the top 1.5% income earners. She has written a book but heck I want her on ALL the political talk shows as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s my take also. </p>
<p>Conservatives are such liars it&#39;s unbelievable. Layer over layer of lies and subterfuge.  People just don’t want to believe that those that wave the flag up people’s butt would be anything other than tried and true patriots. Fact is they are just full of crap.</p>
<p>Martha Mahar on Lou Dobbs was EXCELLENT yesterday because she actually read and comprehended the evolving healthcare bill. She shut down her opponent and Lou Dobbs both and was a wealth of information! For one, the tax on the wealthy will be on only the top 1.5% income earners. She has written a book but heck I want her on ALL the political talk shows as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s either-or though with regard to the powers of the Executive branch. I agree that the presidency has become too powerful and the voters&#039; expectations too high...but still, if we&#039;re stuck with a federal govt that yields so much power, the President and Vice President are the only elected officials that can claim a national mandate. In that sense, the Executive branch has to represent some sort of guiding force for the legislative agenda. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suppose if we had decent Congressional leadership then Obama&#039;s hands off style might be effective, but in the hands of partisans who are beholden to special interests and their political base, the results are abysmal IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s either-or though with regard to the powers of the Executive branch. I agree that the presidency has become too powerful and the voters&#39; expectations too high&#8230;but still, if we&#39;re stuck with a federal govt that yields so much power, the President and Vice President are the only elected officials that can claim a national mandate. In that sense, the Executive branch has to represent some sort of guiding force for the legislative agenda. </p>
<p>I suppose if we had decent Congressional leadership then Obama&#39;s hands off style might be effective, but in the hands of partisans who are beholden to special interests and their political base, the results are abysmal IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with tidbits and CStanley.  During the campaign there was a concern Obama was a &quot;style over substance&quot; candidate, empty suit, etc.  That perception has been borne out by his presidency so far.  So far the phenomenon of Obama is greater than the man himself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I commented a few months ago Obama seemed like a presidency by committee, and that still seems accurate.  He has rubber stamped everything that Reid and Pelosi have given him, and Geithner and Summers seem to be the driving forces behind the bailouts and other financial items.  When faced with a major decision in Afghanistan, he continues to waffle while our troops die.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama was a minimally experienced junior senator who spoke well and looked good in front of the camera, and that&#039;s still what he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with tidbits and CStanley.  During the campaign there was a concern Obama was a &#8220;style over substance&#8221; candidate, empty suit, etc.  That perception has been borne out by his presidency so far.  So far the phenomenon of Obama is greater than the man himself.</p>
<p>I commented a few months ago Obama seemed like a presidency by committee, and that still seems accurate.  He has rubber stamped everything that Reid and Pelosi have given him, and Geithner and Summers seem to be the driving forces behind the bailouts and other financial items.  When faced with a major decision in Afghanistan, he continues to waffle while our troops die.</p>
<p>Obama was a minimally experienced junior senator who spoke well and looked good in front of the camera, and that&#39;s still what he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Zzzzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zzzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This argument from liberals (and I lean that way) drives me nuts.  I want an executive with LESS power, not more.  Stop expecting him to wave a magic wand and produce perfect legislation.  Our entire democratic system is built on debate and compromise by legislators, who it is much easier to kick out of office when they don&#039;t represent us.  The president is supposed to be a commander in chief and a cheerleader, not a legislator.  He isn&#039;t supposed to be some great dictator who can wave his hand and make your policy dreams come true.  I hated that view when Bush and his un-democratic (in my mind, unconstitutional) signing statements were in effect.  I hate that view when people on my side are advocating the same cr@p.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument from liberals (and I lean that way) drives me nuts.  I want an executive with LESS power, not more.  Stop expecting him to wave a magic wand and produce perfect legislation.  Our entire democratic system is built on debate and compromise by legislators, who it is much easier to kick out of office when they don&#39;t represent us.  The president is supposed to be a commander in chief and a cheerleader, not a legislator.  He isn&#39;t supposed to be some great dictator who can wave his hand and make your policy dreams come true.  I hated that view when Bush and his un-democratic (in my mind, unconstitutional) signing statements were in effect.  I hate that view when people on my side are advocating the same cr@p.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tidbits is right. Many of us who weren&#039;t supporters of Obama during the campaign asked then, &quot;where&#039;s the beef?&quot; with this candidate. The most common reply to that which I heard was that there was something about his style that was going to bridge all of the partisan divide and bring people together. I didn&#039;t believe that then, and I see no evidence of it now. People are polarized not only because of the way the fights have been fought, but also because people actually have widely variant opinions about the ways to approach our vast problems. Polarization isn&#039;t just a style problem, it&#039;s a substance problem- and Obama really hasn&#039;t brought anything to the table in terms of bridging the real policy differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tidbits is right. Many of us who weren&#39;t supporters of Obama during the campaign asked then, &#8220;where&#39;s the beef?&#8221; with this candidate. The most common reply to that which I heard was that there was something about his style that was going to bridge all of the partisan divide and bring people together. I didn&#39;t believe that then, and I see no evidence of it now. People are polarized not only because of the way the fights have been fought, but also because people actually have widely variant opinions about the ways to approach our vast problems. Polarization isn&#39;t just a style problem, it&#39;s a substance problem- and Obama really hasn&#39;t brought anything to the table in terms of bridging the real policy differences.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire country has ADD. He has no choice but to go out and keep reminding people of what he wants to do and why. With conservatives constantly making up whatever they want, he has to go out and make sure Americans understand that he doesn&#039;t want death panels, that he was born in America, that he isn&#039;t Muslim, and he isn&#039;t trying to take away their Medicare.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Obama will shut up when conservatives stop tell fibs about him and his policies.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire country has ADD. He has no choice but to go out and keep reminding people of what he wants to do and why. With conservatives constantly making up whatever they want, he has to go out and make sure Americans understand that he doesn&#39;t want death panels, that he was born in America, that he isn&#39;t Muslim, and he isn&#39;t trying to take away their Medicare.</p>
<p>Obama will shut up when conservatives stop tell fibs about him and his policies.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other (fewer) words:  &quot;Mr. Obama, we want more action, less talk!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other (fewer) words:  &#8220;Mr. Obama, we want more action, less talk!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wishful thinking aside, we have as President the man the American people chose.  They knew of his votes of &quot;present&quot; when he wanted to avoid taking hard sides; they knew of his inexperience in legislating; they knew of his abhorrence for the rough and tumble of political infighting; they knew of his speechifying and media presence; they knew of his proposition of change through bipartisanship; they knew of his promise to listen to all views; they knew he was soft and intellectual, not obsessed in the tradition of FDR or LBJ; they knew his style was &quot;above the fray&quot;, not down and dirty; they knew, or should have, that he was better at running for office than governing from office.  Maybe, for some, it would be nice if he were something other than what he is, but it is not to be, all wishful thinking aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishful thinking aside, we have as President the man the American people chose.  They knew of his votes of &#8220;present&#8221; when he wanted to avoid taking hard sides; they knew of his inexperience in legislating; they knew of his abhorrence for the rough and tumble of political infighting; they knew of his speechifying and media presence; they knew of his proposition of change through bipartisanship; they knew of his promise to listen to all views; they knew he was soft and intellectual, not obsessed in the tradition of FDR or LBJ; they knew his style was &#8220;above the fray&#8221;, not down and dirty; they knew, or should have, that he was better at running for office than governing from office.  Maybe, for some, it would be nice if he were something other than what he is, but it is not to be, all wishful thinking aside.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me thinks he doth protest too much. (Pascal)</description>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me thinks he doth protest too much (Obama).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me thinks he doth protest too much (Obama).</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, I appreciate your frustration with the PR over substance thing, but in this day and age we as a country have sent the message loud and clear that we (excluding a minority who take it all more seriously) want instant results, and barring that want constant promises they will occur. I suppose the only voices in more evidence than Obama&#039;s are the constant and relentless voices of his detractors. The problems we face started long before Obama came on the scene though, and their solutions will require considerably more than 9 months. Maybe a little patience is in order...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, I appreciate your frustration with the PR over substance thing, but in this day and age we as a country have sent the message loud and clear that we (excluding a minority who take it all more seriously) want instant results, and barring that want constant promises they will occur. I suppose the only voices in more evidence than Obama&#39;s are the constant and relentless voices of his detractors. The problems we face started long before Obama came on the scene though, and their solutions will require considerably more than 9 months. Maybe a little patience is in order&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frontline was good tonight. Explained how this whole economic mess is the tar baby of Alan Greenspan&#039;s confessed error of unregulated markets. “The markets will regulate themselves” he testified before congress years ago.  Well they don’t and Conservative dogma is firmly dispelled forever because of it, but nobody is reading the flipping new gospel yet. IMO the next proponent of deregulated free in the breeze economics should be dragged out into the street and shot.  That will make a news worthy impression. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree that stuff needs to get done, but how? We have this problem with unrepentant conservatives called “blue dogs” wrecking our super majority. If the President does anything at all he must get the message out because there is a massive amount of disinformation flying around. At least I hope it is disinformation because to tell you the truth I just don’t know what the truth is anymore. I just keep sticking with the President….I keep clinging to Hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frontline was good tonight. Explained how this whole economic mess is the tar baby of Alan Greenspan&#39;s confessed error of unregulated markets. “The markets will regulate themselves” he testified before congress years ago.  Well they don’t and Conservative dogma is firmly dispelled forever because of it, but nobody is reading the flipping new gospel yet. IMO the next proponent of deregulated free in the breeze economics should be dragged out into the street and shot.  That will make a news worthy impression. </p>
<p>I agree that stuff needs to get done, but how? We have this problem with unrepentant conservatives called “blue dogs” wrecking our super majority. If the President does anything at all he must get the message out because there is a massive amount of disinformation flying around. At least I hope it is disinformation because to tell you the truth I just don’t know what the truth is anymore. I just keep sticking with the President….I keep clinging to Hope.</p>
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		<title>By: rachelmap</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachelmap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is somebody forcing you to watch him? That&#039;s a shame. Me, I just change the channel or go do something else until he&#039;s off my teevee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is somebody forcing you to watch him? That&#39;s a shame. Me, I just change the channel or go do something else until he&#39;s off my teevee.</p>
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