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	<title>Comments on: Bush&#8217;s Doctrine of Preemptive Attack About to Be Changed?</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223376</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But don&#039;t people on the right call it the Bush Doctrine also? &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, they do.  I&#039;m unsure how much of it is merely a response to use of it by the Left (and defense of Bush against sordid-excess abuse) and how much of it actually is due to righty initiative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s nothing novel (not to mention, nothing truly controversial) about such a normal, logical policy.  (What&#039;s wrong is when it is the basis for a wrongful naming or descriptor for something else, instead.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But don&#39;t people on the right call it the Bush Doctrine also? &#8220;</p>
<p>Yes, they do.  I&#39;m unsure how much of it is merely a response to use of it by the Left (and defense of Bush against sordid-excess abuse) and how much of it actually is due to righty initiative.</p>
<p>There&#39;s nothing novel (not to mention, nothing truly controversial) about such a normal, logical policy.  (What&#39;s wrong is when it is the basis for a wrongful naming or descriptor for something else, instead.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223307</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If I have to punch someone in the face in order to keep them from punching my wife in the face...preemptive strike it is!&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And when that someone sees you walking down the street the following week, grabs a shotgun from his car and empties it in you belly...preemptive strike it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I have to punch someone in the face in order to keep them from punching my wife in the face&#8230;preemptive strike it is!</p></blockquote>
<p>And when that someone sees you walking down the street the following week, grabs a shotgun from his car and empties it in you belly&#8230;preemptive strike it is!</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223275</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been a big fan of absoluteness because it is too hard to manage the grey areas.  Who decides...well, either the international community or the kid with the bigger bat.  That is reality.  If I have to punch someone in the face in order to keep them from punching my wife in the face...preemptive strike it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve never been a big fan of absoluteness because it is too hard to manage the grey areas.  Who decides&#8230;well, either the international community or the kid with the bigger bat.  That is reality.  If I have to punch someone in the face in order to keep them from punching my wife in the face&#8230;preemptive strike it is!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223271</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That is one hell of a logic leap. You went from me saying sometimes it is okay to you thinking that I would agree with Pearl Harbor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am just pointing out that one man&#039;s sneak attack is another man&#039;s preemptive strike...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Once you decide that US preemptive strikes are acceptable, what do you do/say  when country X launches a preemptive strike on country Y, or after having seen the US launch a preemptive strike on country Y, country Z decides to launch a preemptive strike against the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is one hell of a logic leap. You went from me saying sometimes it is okay to you thinking that I would agree with Pearl Harbor.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am just pointing out that one man&#39;s sneak attack is another man&#39;s preemptive strike&#8230;</p>
<p>Once you decide that US preemptive strikes are acceptable, what do you do/say  when country X launches a preemptive strike on country Y, or after having seen the US launch a preemptive strike on country Y, country Z decides to launch a preemptive strike against the US.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223264</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one hell of a logic leap.  You went from me saying sometimes it is okay to you thinking that I would agree with Pearl Harbor.  I would use the 6 day war as a better example to when it is sometimes appropriate...not PH nor Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one hell of a logic leap.  You went from me saying sometimes it is okay to you thinking that I would agree with Pearl Harbor.  I would use the 6 day war as a better example to when it is sometimes appropriate&#8230;not PH nor Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a growing perception of weakness by those that may want to take advantage of such perception regarding the United states and our military. I wonder if now is the time to start reducing our military’s ability to defend us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a growing perception of weakness by those that may want to take advantage of such perception regarding the United states and our military. I wonder if now is the time to start reducing our military’s ability to defend us?</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From their perspective, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From their perspective, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223210</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I do agree...sometimes preemptive military strikes are acceptable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the Japanese were right to bomb Pearl Harbor in 1941... After all it was only a preemptive strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I do agree&#8230;sometimes preemptive military strikes are acceptable.</p></blockquote>
<p>So the Japanese were right to bomb Pearl Harbor in 1941&#8230; After all it was only a preemptive strike.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223132</link>
		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Query...how many lefties require how many months to read and redraft the words contained in 7 sentences?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I may be wrong, but the man leading the QDR and who will make the final decision on any Doctrine changes (on the part of DoD), is a Republican...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Query&#8230;how many lefties require how many months to read and redraft the words contained in 7 sentences?&#8221;</p>
<p>I may be wrong, but the man leading the QDR and who will make the final decision on any Doctrine changes (on the part of DoD), is a Republican&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223125</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see here......according to wiki, there are 7 sentences comprising the Bush Doctrine.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Query...how many lefties require how many months to read and redraft the words contained in 7 sentences?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Answer........until the public catches on to the fact that they really have no earthly idea of what the hell to do, they will continue to make comments about how wrong those 7 sentences are from a prior administration and pat themselves on the back that they are doing a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#39;s see here&#8230;&#8230;according to wiki, there are 7 sentences comprising the Bush Doctrine.</p>
<p>Query&#8230;how many lefties require how many months to read and redraft the words contained in 7 sentences?</p>
<p>Answer&#8230;&#8230;..until the public catches on to the fact that they really have no earthly idea of what the hell to do, they will continue to make comments about how wrong those 7 sentences are from a prior administration and pat themselves on the back that they are doing a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223119</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The only solution is to try to downplay this option and say it will be reserved for the most extreme cases and even then pursued only with as much international backing and legitimacy as possible,&quot; O&#039;Hanlon said.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The only solution is to try to downplay this option and say it will be reserved for the most extreme cases and even then pursued only with as much international backing and legitimacy as possible,&#8221; O&#39;Hanlon said.</i></p>
<p>Makes sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223114</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pendulum swings to the left.  I&#039;d like to think Gore would have been as pissed as bush was on 9/11.  Perhaps he also would have taken, what in retrospect appear to be overly strong measures to protect and defend our country.  Bush/Cheney&#039;s probably erred by not easing off the trigger after a while.  We Americans as a country have a short attention span and tend to be overly forgiving at times.  (Former enemies can attest to that (Germany, Japan.)  I am not defending Bush, he probably screwed up big time, but it doesn&#039;t mean we have to let our guard down completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pendulum swings to the left.  I&#39;d like to think Gore would have been as pissed as bush was on 9/11.  Perhaps he also would have taken, what in retrospect appear to be overly strong measures to protect and defend our country.  Bush/Cheney&#39;s probably erred by not easing off the trigger after a while.  We Americans as a country have a short attention span and tend to be overly forgiving at times.  (Former enemies can attest to that (Germany, Japan.)  I am not defending Bush, he probably screwed up big time, but it doesn&#39;t mean we have to let our guard down completely.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49802/bushs-doctrine-of-preemptive-attack-about-to-be-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-223040</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that pose an actual mortal threat to the U.S.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, though you&#039;re close to the truth about why the Bush policy could be faulted.  Almost!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A valid pre-emption doesn&#039;t require weapons of mass destruction (nuke, chem, bio) about to be used against the US itself, obviously.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any threat, against any interest, not only the US territory specifically, is what matters.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(So is proportionality!  But that arguably is outside the essence of pre-emption, the strike or no-strike decision.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is what&#039;s needed, where Bush arguably failed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;that pose an actual threat to the U.S.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that pose an actual mortal threat to the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, though you&#39;re close to the truth about why the Bush policy could be faulted.  Almost!</p>
<p>A valid pre-emption doesn&#39;t require weapons of mass destruction (nuke, chem, bio) about to be used against the US itself, obviously.</p>
<p>Any threat, against any interest, not only the US territory specifically, is what matters.  </p>
<p>(So is proportionality!  But that arguably is outside the essence of pre-emption, the strike or no-strike decision.)</p>
<p>Here is what&#39;s needed, where Bush arguably failed:</p>
<p>&#8220;that pose an actual threat to the U.S.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lurxst</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurxst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the Bush Doctrine was that in most cases any policy like that should only be reserved for strikes against nations that pose an actual mortal threat to the U.S. (read: nukes) and shouldn&#039;t allow the same standards to be used against a country that can only minimally impact our interests through terrorist attacks. I think that despite any logic that might be contained in the Bush Doctrine it is irrevocably attached to the act of using lies and trumped up intel to launch attacks against a country that DIDN&#039;T pose a mortal threat to the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the Bush Doctrine was that in most cases any policy like that should only be reserved for strikes against nations that pose an actual mortal threat to the U.S. (read: nukes) and shouldn&#39;t allow the same standards to be used against a country that can only minimally impact our interests through terrorist attacks. I think that despite any logic that might be contained in the Bush Doctrine it is irrevocably attached to the act of using lies and trumped up intel to launch attacks against a country that DIDN&#39;T pose a mortal threat to the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But don&#039;t people on the right call it the Bush Doctrine also?  Maybe it makes sense to them because in their eyes, &quot;Bush&quot; brings positive feelings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do agree...sometimes preemptive military strikes are acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But don&#39;t people on the right call it the Bush Doctrine also?  Maybe it makes sense to them because in their eyes, &#8220;Bush&#8221; brings positive feelings.</p>
<p>I do agree&#8230;sometimes preemptive military strikes are acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others are saying there is nothing wrong with the Bush doctrine, the problems arise in it&#039;s application.  In the case of Iraq (and Bosnia too if you want to be honest) the concept was stretched to justify something the president wanted to do instead of the other way around.  I&#039;m not sure I understand the Pentagon studying it though, since they should not be involved in the decision to apply it other than to advise on the military aspects.

I don&#039;t have a problem with it being called the Bush Doctrine - he was the one to articulate it (or misarticulate it) most recently and it&#039;s attained common usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others are saying there is nothing wrong with the Bush doctrine, the problems arise in it&#8217;s application.  In the case of Iraq (and Bosnia too if you want to be honest) the concept was stretched to justify something the president wanted to do instead of the other way around.  I&#8217;m not sure I understand the Pentagon studying it though, since they should not be involved in the decision to apply it other than to advise on the military aspects.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with it being called the Bush Doctrine &#8211; he was the one to articulate it (or misarticulate it) most recently and it&#8217;s attained common usage.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why they call it the &#039;Bush Doctrine&#039;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was an emotive expression and an attempt to additionally tarnish the doctrine, which is perfectly logical and ethical and defends our interests properly, which (more than Bush&#039;s open support of it) is why so many Usual Suspects would have opposed it no matter who had been President.  (&quot;Bush&quot; was just &quot;icing on the cake&quot; -- the icky, toxic cake).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why they call it the &#39;Bush Doctrine&#39;&#8221;</p>
<p>It was an emotive expression and an attempt to additionally tarnish the doctrine, which is perfectly logical and ethical and defends our interests properly, which (more than Bush&#39;s open support of it) is why so many Usual Suspects would have opposed it no matter who had been President.  (&#8220;Bush&#8221; was just &#8220;icing on the cake&#8221; &#8212; the icky, toxic cake).</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;On the &quot;spinning,&quot; I&#039;ll try to read the QDR to be able to answer  that more informatively.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;On &quot;The neocons must be apoplectic over this,&quot; I am sure we&#039;ll get an earfull&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>On the &#8220;spinning,&#8221; I&#39;ll try to read the QDR to be able to answer  that more informatively.</p>
<p>On &#8220;The neocons must be apoplectic over this,&#8221; I am sure we&#39;ll get an earfull</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorian -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Very informative.  Thank you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;DOD, however, sounds like they are spinning this instead of just saying that they are re-evaluating whether the Bush Doctrine is appropriate.  The &quot;international environment is more complex than it was in 2002&quot;?  C&#039;mon.  The real change is not the extent of complexity, but rather that the authors of the Bush Doctrine, Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush, are no longer in power.  That they are gone gives DOD the opportunity to revisit and revise a bad policy.  The spin isn&#039;t necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorian -</p>
<p>Very informative.  Thank you.</p>
<p>DOD, however, sounds like they are spinning this instead of just saying that they are re-evaluating whether the Bush Doctrine is appropriate.  The &#8220;international environment is more complex than it was in 2002&#8243;?  C&#39;mon.  The real change is not the extent of complexity, but rather that the authors of the Bush Doctrine, Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush, are no longer in power.  That they are gone gives DOD the opportunity to revisit and revise a bad policy.  The spin isn&#39;t necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always wondered why they call it the &quot;Bush Doctrine&quot;.  It isn&#039;t as if Bush was the first world leader to ever invade a country because of made up threats.  And I also think putting &quot;Bush&quot; next to &quot;Doctrine&quot; is never a good idea.  There are more appropriate words to associate with Bush, not a word that implies intelligence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That being said, it is good that we are re-evaluating the policies of BushCheney.  Their twisted viewed the world is no way to run foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve always wondered why they call it the &#8220;Bush Doctrine&#8221;.  It isn&#39;t as if Bush was the first world leader to ever invade a country because of made up threats.  And I also think putting &#8220;Bush&#8221; next to &#8220;Doctrine&#8221; is never a good idea.  There are more appropriate words to associate with Bush, not a word that implies intelligence.</p>
<p>That being said, it is good that we are re-evaluating the policies of BushCheney.  Their twisted viewed the world is no way to run foreign policy.</p>
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