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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222730</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear some first hand praise about our health system. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to hear some first hand praise about our health system. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222651</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But healthcare is already the most heavily regulated and least functional industry we have. That&#039;s no coincidence.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Imagine the &quot;public utility&quot; as well as &quot;managed cartel&quot; model that logical reform might lead toward.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[cringing]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But healthcare is already the most heavily regulated and least functional industry we have. That&#39;s no coincidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imagine the &#8220;public utility&#8221; as well as &#8220;managed cartel&#8221; model that logical reform might lead toward.</p>
<p>[cringing]</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222650</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lay on the Pork!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ah, yes, &quot;sweeteners&quot; (a permissible term if it passes Dem legislation, even in PC-food-lunacy times).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, even though they aren&#039;t as &quot;disconnected&quot; as Sil and her statements are, the &quot;progressives&quot; on far-lefty talk radio are pretty enthusiastic (as well as impatient and exasperated) in wanting to see a good effort being made, and the avoidance of conceding anything much toward people like Olympia Snowe just to have a token (and bogus) &quot;R&quot; stamped along with the big &quot;D&quot; on the final legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lay on the Pork!&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, yes, &#8220;sweeteners&#8221; (a permissible term if it passes Dem legislation, even in PC-food-lunacy times).</p>
<p>Actually, even though they aren&#39;t as &#8220;disconnected&#8221; as Sil and her statements are, the &#8220;progressives&#8221; on far-lefty talk radio are pretty enthusiastic (as well as impatient and exasperated) in wanting to see a good effort being made, and the avoidance of conceding anything much toward people like Olympia Snowe just to have a token (and bogus) &#8220;R&#8221; stamped along with the big &#8220;D&#8221; on the final legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: redbus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222581</link>
		<dc:creator>redbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Stein notes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Underlying all the din will be the central question: How much control over American health care will remain in the hands of the profiteers who have made it the most expensive and one of the worst systems in the world?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve lived outside of the U.S. for more than a decade, and have sought medical care in three other countries. That experience has shown me that Stein&#039;s statement is over-the-top. U.S. health care is top-notch. (One can always cherry-pick exceptions). On the other hand, living overseas has also shown that our system is too expensive. My American employer encourages us to seek equivalent treatments (as available) when posted overseas, and not when back in the U.S. on leave. Why? Because it&#039;s more cost-effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Stein notes:</p>
<p><i>Underlying all the din will be the central question: How much control over American health care will remain in the hands of the profiteers who have made it the most expensive and one of the worst systems in the world?</i></p>
<p>I&#39;ve lived outside of the U.S. for more than a decade, and have sought medical care in three other countries. That experience has shown me that Stein&#39;s statement is over-the-top. U.S. health care is top-notch. (One can always cherry-pick exceptions). On the other hand, living overseas has also shown that our system is too expensive. My American employer encourages us to seek equivalent treatments (as available) when posted overseas, and not when back in the U.S. on leave. Why? Because it&#39;s more cost-effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222565</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had a light amount of regulation now, calling for more might qualify as moderation.  But healthcare is already the most heavily regulated and least functional industry we have.  That&#039;s no coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had a light amount of regulation now, calling for more might qualify as moderation.  But healthcare is already the most heavily regulated and least functional industry we have.  That&#39;s no coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222539</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a moderate.  Well, I would say being a conservative Democrat would make me a moderate in any case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You don&#039;t have to be Limbaugh to agree that the direction they are going sucks.&lt;br&gt;Public Option sucks.  Baucus sucks.  Status quo sucks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a MODERATE position:&lt;br&gt;Regulate what we have now!  Bust open the lobbyist-congress cartel by hitting the entities that line their pockets - namely the Insurance industry, the Pharmaceutical Industry, the Healthcare Industry, and the Tort/Trial Lawyer Industry.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If any of them had the sack to do that, the problem would be gone!&lt;br&gt;Is that moderate?  I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m a moderate.  Well, I would say being a conservative Democrat would make me a moderate in any case.</p>
<p>You don&#39;t have to be Limbaugh to agree that the direction they are going sucks.<br />Public Option sucks.  Baucus sucks.  Status quo sucks.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s a MODERATE position:<br />Regulate what we have now!  Bust open the lobbyist-congress cartel by hitting the entities that line their pockets &#8211; namely the Insurance industry, the Pharmaceutical Industry, the Healthcare Industry, and the Tort/Trial Lawyer Industry.</p>
<p>If any of them had the sack to do that, the problem would be gone!<br />Is that moderate?  I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful that in their desperation to get any bill signed, that you don&#039;t drown (in debt) in the &quot;high water&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful that in their desperation to get any bill signed, that you don&#39;t drown (in debt) in the &#8220;high water&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may do what they like but We Majority will have our Public Option come hell or high water.  And there will be a website each election cycle where voters can check how different incumbants weighed in [or not] on the matter until we have this basic human right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may do what they like but We Majority will have our Public Option come hell or high water.  And there will be a website each election cycle where voters can check how different incumbants weighed in [or not] on the matter until we have this basic human right.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly? You haven&#8217;t SEEN ugly. &#171; The Alabama Moderate</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222464</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly? You haven&#8217;t SEEN ugly. &#171; The Alabama Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by ALmod on October 14, 2009  Robert Stein has a great writeup on how we ain&#8217;t seen nothing yet as far as health insurance interests rallying opposition to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by ALmod on October 14, 2009  Robert Stein has a great writeup on how we ain&#8217;t seen nothing yet as far as health insurance interests rallying opposition to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222438</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lay on the Pork!  they need moderate democrat votes.  Bribe them with more taxpayer money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lay on the Pork!  they need moderate democrat votes.  Bribe them with more taxpayer money!</p>
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		<title>By: Now for the Ugly Part… China Best Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now for the Ugly Part… China Best Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the original:  Now for the Ugly Part…          By admin &#124; category: Tea? &#124; tags: 600-local, congressional, current, hoboken, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49565/now-for-the-ugly-part/comment-page-1/#comment-222426</link>
		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Mr. Limburger have an alter ego? the above piece makes it seem so.  Yes, that is an insult to your thoughts on the matter. Any moderates left around here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Mr. Limburger have an alter ego? the above piece makes it seem so.  Yes, that is an insult to your thoughts on the matter. Any moderates left around here?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rationality became impossible given the lib Dems at the forefront of news-making in DC this year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to the ugly, hard stuff still to come:  Well, it&#039;s time for the real work to start.  I look forward to hearing what Ed Schultz has to say to spur the foot soldiers of the far Left (in support of the public option); Thom Hartmann was already on the air and on record insisting that lefties need to tell Harry Reid they want to see action and real results now.  (While I don&#039;t support the crazier lib Dem craziness this year, at least far lefties like Hartmann and Schultz are direct and forceful about what it is that they want with health care.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rationality became impossible given the lib Dems at the forefront of news-making in DC this year.</p>
<p>As to the ugly, hard stuff still to come:  Well, it&#39;s time for the real work to start.  I look forward to hearing what Ed Schultz has to say to spur the foot soldiers of the far Left (in support of the public option); Thom Hartmann was already on the air and on record insisting that lefties need to tell Harry Reid they want to see action and real results now.  (While I don&#39;t support the crazier lib Dem craziness this year, at least far lefties like Hartmann and Schultz are direct and forceful about what it is that they want with health care.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Now for the Ugly Part… &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Now for the Ugly Part… &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Hans Spee, TMV. TMV said: Now for the Ugly Part…: The assembly line in the Congressional sausage factory is ready to roll, to stuff what .. http://bit.ly/1bYW3y [...]</description>
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