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Assuming Global Nuclear Disarmament, What Wars Would We Fear?

Yesterday I wrote a post questioning the need for so many countries in the 21st Century, particular vulgar, repressive military dictatorships, to have nuclear weapons. My premise was not the relative civility of non-nuclear nations vis-à-vis those that possessed nuclear weapons but the proper use of U.S. military power. However, many nice places can be found that have no nuclear arms, nor are they signatories to any treaties that give them nuclear protection. These nuclear-free zones include all of Latin and South America, the Caribbean, Australia and Southeast Asia.

One reason suggested for the surprising Nobel Peace Prize award to President Obama was the Norwegian panel’s support of his global nuclear disarmament proposals. To convince all nations to abandon nuclear arms and to instead focus on the environmental health of the planet for the long-term benefit of all mankind is a laudable yet highly difficult odyssey for any world leader. However the panel felt so strongly about these global issues that they used their influence to strongly encourage their advancement by citing our President’s strong support of the same goals.

If as a species we collectively agreed upon a complete global nuclear disarmament, what would happen? Would we fear another conventional WWIII or multiple regional wars? Are human beings just itching to invade their neighbors to rebuild their economies, impose their religious, economic and political beliefs on others, establish direct ownership over natural resources controlled by others, or pursue “lebensraum” as in more real estate and territory for national growth or urban sprawl?

For discussion purposes, we will have to assume that all nations turn over their nuclear weapons to a powerful international organization that would secure and dismantle them. The existing nuclear powers would safely secure their plutonium and uranium not required for domestic electrical energy production. Finally, all nations would permit international inspectors to monitor all nuclear and military facilities to ensure these weapons are not produced again.

Religious zealots, angry jihadists and other extremists will naturally wish to keep waging wars or terrorist activities against their perceived enemies and to avenge long-ago affronts to their ancestors. They thrive on perpetual conflict and really would be lousy employees in any public or private enterprises as their skill sets are not easily transferrable. (”I said FIX the copier – not blow it up.”) But fortunately they constitute a very small percentage of humanity. With proper global nuclear safeguards, no individuals or groups would be able to obtain the materials to build any nuclear devices.

Most countries that acquired nuclear arsenals did so during the early part of the Cold War during the 1950s and 1960s. Building up a stockpile of warheads was based upon the theory of mutually-assured destruction. This theory stated that if one were fired, that would set off a chain reaction to launch all the rest so as much of the entire planet would be destroyed. After the 1980’s some thought we could successfully use tactical nuclear weapons in a limited way but that theory was thankfully never tried.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, most of its nuclear arsenal was divided between Russia who kept most of them and Ukraine who later gave them all up to Russia. Most nations have 200 warheads or fewer and only the U.S. and Russia still have over 5,000 nuclear warheads each as a well-informed commentator noted to my prior post. Even blowing up 100 bombs in a limited geographic area would cause global environmental havoc for several years under the rosiest scenarios. Underground and atmospheric testing are just not the same. But I digress. The essential question for readers of this post is what would humanity do if no one had Nukes?

Would Russia invade Europe even if it faced conventional war with NATO – and for what purpose? Would Germany invade France again? Would Italy invade Slovenia so to divert attention from Berlusconi’s sexual escapades? Would China invade North Korea, Taiwan or Australia? Would Japan invade China? Would India and Pakistan continue their perpetual war over Kashmir? Would various Arab countries invade Israel despite their winless record over the past 60 years? What visceral psychological benefits inure to those who start wars? What 21st century grievances can only be settled by military force?

Would the US invade Iran? Would the U.S. invade Canada to eliminate that pesky reminder of universal healthcare and seize all their oil reserves – something to warm the hearts of many conservatives? Would Canada invade the U.S. and force universal health insurance upon us in a sinister socialist plot with Great Britain? Would the U.S. invade Lichtenstein, the Cayman Islands, and other well-known international tax havens to recoup billions of dollars in lost tax revenues? Just imagine our Marines leading a small army of auditors and accountants into downtown Grand Cayman to storm the modest office building where thousands of former U.S. businesses have their new “official” headquarters – it makes my heart go aflutter. What a great plot for a movie.

I would recommend readers watch the 1995 movie “Canadian Bacon” written, directed and produced by Michael Moore. It was the last film released to star the late lovable comic John Candy. The premise of the film centered around a weak liberal President played perfectly by Alan Alda who needed to divert the country’s attention from a deep recession by starting a war. The only option left became an invasion of Canada. During the inane run-up propaganda period, several nut-jobs in Buffalo, NY jumped ahead of the military and launch their own inept attack on Canada. The film ended up in Toronto and uncovered a sinister doomsday machine that was diffused at the last moment by pure accident. I personally think this was the best film ever made by Mr. Moore who limited his on-screen participation to a few minor cameo roles.

Our conventional weapons carry far more punch than they did just 20 years ago and are far more lethal than those used during WWII – and the devastation in certain parts of the world was pretty severe. We also managed to kill between 60 and 80 million people worldwide during the early 1940’s, though that included internal wars of attrition by the Soviet Union under Stalin and Germany under Hitler to kill even their own citizens under fraudulent pretexts.

What prevents or encourages countries from going to war with each other? Wars during the 2nd half of the 20th Century and the past 9 years indicate that possessing nuclear weapons is not a deterrent to or an impediment to starting a conventional war. Certainly the US and other nations have effectuated foreign policy through conventional military means, and the pretext for the Iraqi invasion was to prevent its dictator from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Would a world free of nuclear weapons be less susceptible to waging conventional wars, or would this weapons void be filled with far more conventional wars? For those political leaders who would miss the pointless bragging rights of having more nuclear weapons, perhaps a better international competition would be comparing the total miles of operating high speed rail lines country to country.

I also recommend readers watch the disturbing yet excellent award-winning 2005 film “Lord of War” starring Nicholas Cage as an amoral private arms dealer working in 3rd world nations. I welcome all thoughts, ideas and possible predictions from TMV readers.

Marc Pascal in Phoenix, AZ.

  • Don Quijote
    Wars during the 2nd half of the 20th Century and the past 9 years indicate that possessing nuclear weapons is not a deterrent to or an impediment to starting a conventional war.


    That's not true...

    Since 1945, no one has invaded a nuclear armed state, Shrub and his cronies despite being eager for war (only started two in eight years) did not invade North Korea.

    Now that may just be that it's only been sixty odd years since we have had nukes, and we have been lucky or it could be that the Thomas Friedman adage that "Countries that have McDonalds don't go to war against each other" should be modified to "Countries that have Nukes don't go to war against each other"
  • AustinRoth
    "Assuming global nuclear disarmament"

    Why? What possible reason would any sane person have to assume that? Just because it sounds good? History teaches us one thing very clearly, and that is no weapon of warfare has EVER successfully been banned.

    You might as well ask us to assume there are unicorns. It is pure fantasy. That is the problem with the Utopian dream-based policies favored by hyper-Liberals. Despite how good they make one feel to dream about, they have no basis in reality.

    The whole point of the League of Nations and then the U.N. was driven by the same mind-set. That hasn't worked out as planned, has it?
  • Don Quijote
    History teaches us one thing very clearly, and that is no weapon of warfare has EVER successfully been banned.


    History also teaches us that a six kiloton bomb will level a mid-size city and kill a couple hundred thousand people. The thing with Nukes is that they make for great defense, but are totally useless on the offense. Any country that uses Nukes on the offense is pretty much guaranteed to be turned in a Nuclear Wasteland.

    Nukes, the weapon that we dare not use...
  • AustinRoth
    DQ - you forgot the word 'yet'. As more and more countries DO get nuclear weapons (as saying 'please don't do that, or we will be forced to write you a weak rebuke' doesn't seem to work), then eventually one of them, run by a leader with a personal messiah complex (say, a North Korea type, or even worse, some of the African nations that have no real functional government) will do so.

    And who, exactly, should they nuke one of their non-nuclear equipped neighbors (a very real scenario), is going to then act as the enforcer and nuke them back? Is the UN going to provide authorization for a retaliatory strike? Of course not.

    And we haven't even talked about the weapon of mass destruction that is truly more powerful in the ability to kill at large scale - biologicals. They just don't make as impressive an entry, and so do not get news cycles when discussed by politicians, so they don't get discussed much.

    You REALLY want to save the planet? Work to outlaw biological weapons. They are the ones that a small group of people really could use to cause world-wide mass death. But outlawing them effectively cannot happen either, for the same reasons as for nuclear weapons. You cannot stop countries and people from creating such tools.
  • shannonlee
    I completely agree...kind of a silly assumption. It won't happen. I could see a serious reduction of weapons, but never full disarmament. Does anyone think the US, China, Russia, or Israel will ever give up their nukes? No way. Nukes are why we haven't had a WWIII.
  • AustinRoth
    Just to make the point clearer: Russia to allow pre-emptive nukes

    Good thing Obama made the world safer by wanting to get rid of that pesky missile defense shield system designed to protect against first strike capabilities. At least some possibility of saner heads may be prevailing, as the article references "grumbling in Moscow over U.S. moves to modify plans for a missile shield near Russia's borders rather than ditch the idea outright."
  • DLS
    Assuming nuclear disarmament is to assume we're in some (typical lefty) alternative universe.

    Even in such an alternative universe, we would still see occasional resort to war.

    It's also assuming we're in some (typically lefty) alternative universe to assume we can eliminate war.
  • DLS
    "Just to make the point clearer: Russia to allow pre-emptive nukes."

    Come on, now. Agitation for "peace" and "disarmament" is directed only at the West and especially the Evil USA, after all. Besides, the West and especially the Evil USA is forcing the poor, sweet, innocent, misunderstood, victim-of-the-West-and-especially-the-Evil-USA Russians to practice defensive annexation and other forms of potential and real aggression.
  • Don Quijote
    Just to make the point clearer: Russia to allow pre-emptive nukes


    US defense paper justifies use of nuclear weapons

    AFP, WASHINGTON

    Monday, Sep 12, 2005

    A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to "prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively."

    The document, titled Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations and dated March 15, was put together by the Pentagon's Joint Staff in at attempt to adapt current procedures to the fast-changing world after the September 11, 2001, attacks, a defense official said.


    New US rules for first nuclear strike

    The Pentagon has drafted a revised doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons that allows commanders to request presidential approval to pre-empt an attack by a nation or terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction.

    The draft also includes the option of using nuclear arms to destroy stockpiles of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

    The document was written by the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff but has not been approved by the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. It would update nuclear weapons rules and procedures to reflect a pre-emption strategy announced by the Bush White House in December 2002.

    At a White House briefing that year, a spokesman said the US would "respond with overwhelming force" to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the US, its forces or allies, and said "all options" would be available to the president. The draft, dated March 15, would provide authoritative guidance for commanders to request presidential approval for the use of nuclear weapons.


    What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

    Good thing Obama made the world safer by wanting to get rid of that pesky missile defense shield system designed to protect against first strike capabilities.


    A) It does not work...

    B) If it did work, we would have a Nuclear war within twenty years of it being deployed, the people behind the shield would start a Nuclear war knowing/thinking that they were invulnerable.
  • JeffersonDavis
    In response to the article...
    We'd fear the same wars our ancestors did prior to nuclear weapons - those of tanks, guns, and planes; And prior to that, blimps; and prior to that arrows; and prior to that, rocks......and so on.
  • AustinRoth
    Well, the Obama administration seem to be rethinking the 'it does not work' meme. But it does not change my initial point - that I am hopeful that the Liberal pussies running foreign affairs can avoid too much more damage before the 2012 election, when Obama completes his Jimmy Carter impersonation.
  • DLS
    I'm still wondering to what extent the anti-nuclear stuff is naive silliness, and how much of it is uglier Sixties-inheritance US-and-Western self-loathing. (The same is true about ballistic missile defense.)

    I'm also wondering to what extent this is true when anti-nuclear bleating about the Middle East is in fashion. (To what extent is it simply another chance to bash and want to disarm and destroy Israel?)

    It makes me want to look again at my copy of "Dialogue",


    http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product...


    and consider how much of the propaganda projects in this book could be revived now, as well as applied toward "climate change" [rolling eyes].

    At least, I doubt ObamaCo would be so pathetic as to seek a re-run of the movie, "The Day After."
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