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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-2/#comment-222205</link>
		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Cornyn opposes any form of governmental health care...except his own.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great letter from a Dallas resident in this morning&#039;s hometown newspaper:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Cornyn&#039;s great health care plan &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Located inside the U.S. Capitol is a little-known medical facility called the Office of the Attending Physician. For a low annual premium of only $503, members of Congress have access to the finest doctors and specialists the U.S. Navy has to offer. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no additional fees. That&#039;s considerably less than I pay every month for health insurance with a $7,000 deductible. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, is an outspoken critic of any sort of government-run health care, I called his office and was shocked to learn that he uses the OAP. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For a lawmaker to oppose government-run health care while benefiting from the finest government-run health care program our nation has to offer is the very definition of hypocrisy.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, of course, Cornyn is pushing for the &quot;greater good&quot; for our nation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Cornyn opposes any form of governmental health care&#8230;except his own.</p>
<p>Great letter from a Dallas resident in this morning&#39;s hometown newspaper:</p>
<p>&#8220;Cornyn&#39;s great health care plan </p>
<p>Located inside the U.S. Capitol is a little-known medical facility called the Office of the Attending Physician. For a low annual premium of only $503, members of Congress have access to the finest doctors and specialists the U.S. Navy has to offer. </p>
<p>There are no additional fees. That&#39;s considerably less than I pay every month for health insurance with a $7,000 deductible. </p>
<p>Because Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, is an outspoken critic of any sort of government-run health care, I called his office and was shocked to learn that he uses the OAP. </p>
<p>For a lawmaker to oppose government-run health care while benefiting from the finest government-run health care program our nation has to offer is the very definition of hypocrisy.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, of course, Cornyn is pushing for the &#8220;greater good&#8221; for our nation</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-2/#comment-222170</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Blah, now you are just playing with semantics an attempt to talk down to me.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been doing nothing of the kind.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; Insurance isn&#039;t health care...yeah I know. Which is why I would rather see the health care insurance industry blown away and replaced with single payer....and they can raise my taxes to do it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s no doubt part of the motive behind any and all &quot;play or pay&quot; and &quot;mandatory participation&quot; details of any legislation that is forthcoming -- it gets everyone used to paying, i.e., being effectively (if not by name or legally) taxed to pay for everyone&#039;s health care.  The moment participation and payment is made a requirement is when the people are starting to be &quot;trained&quot; to pay taxes for universal care.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Side note again...while I would prefer single payer, I argue for a public option along with private because I know single payer will never happen ;)&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The obvious choice the Dems faced now was incrementalism of one kind or another (be it Universality Lite, which is what the &quot;public option&quot; crowd-out strategy is, or a piecemeal &quot;iterative&quot; process where only portions of the population at any time are made beneficiaries, but all of them at once -- children, the poor, the uninsured, the unemployed, people between ages 50-65, Medicaid, VA, all the obvious groups of choice).  The public option strategy is seeking universalism, but indirectly and less immediately than instant &quot;Medicare for All&quot; (&quot;single-payer&quot;), at which the public would recoil currently.  (In no small part due to the lib Dems&#039; track record so far this year!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Blah, now you are just playing with semantics an attempt to talk down to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been doing nothing of the kind.</p>
<p>&#8221; Insurance isn&#39;t health care&#8230;yeah I know. Which is why I would rather see the health care insurance industry blown away and replaced with single payer&#8230;.and they can raise my taxes to do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s no doubt part of the motive behind any and all &#8220;play or pay&#8221; and &#8220;mandatory participation&#8221; details of any legislation that is forthcoming &#8212; it gets everyone used to paying, i.e., being effectively (if not by name or legally) taxed to pay for everyone&#39;s health care.  The moment participation and payment is made a requirement is when the people are starting to be &#8220;trained&#8221; to pay taxes for universal care.</p>
<p>&#8220;Side note again&#8230;while I would prefer single payer, I argue for a public option along with private because I know single payer will never happen <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>The obvious choice the Dems faced now was incrementalism of one kind or another (be it Universality Lite, which is what the &#8220;public option&#8221; crowd-out strategy is, or a piecemeal &#8220;iterative&#8221; process where only portions of the population at any time are made beneficiaries, but all of them at once &#8212; children, the poor, the uninsured, the unemployed, people between ages 50-65, Medicaid, VA, all the obvious groups of choice).  The public option strategy is seeking universalism, but indirectly and less immediately than instant &#8220;Medicare for All&#8221; (&#8220;single-payer&#8221;), at which the public would recoil currently.  (In no small part due to the lib Dems&#39; track record so far this year!)</p>
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		<title>By: HemmD</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-2/#comment-222120</link>
		<dc:creator>HemmD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your right, we were inundated by all those Republican cost cutting amendments.  No wonder nothing has been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J</p>
<p>Your right, we were inundated by all those Republican cost cutting amendments.  No wonder nothing has been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-2/#comment-222115</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no data points, GD.  Show me a country that adopted a single payer system and saw costs fall and performance rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no data points, GD.  Show me a country that adopted a single payer system and saw costs fall and performance rise.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-2/#comment-222114</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>disagree DJ. Single payer successfully lowers costs and increases performance worldwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disagree DJ. Single payer successfully lowers costs and increases performance worldwide.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-222113</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And in the meantime, people suffer.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The longer we wait to get on with meaningful efficiency reforms, the long &quot;the meantime&quot; will last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And in the meantime, people suffer.</i></p>
<p>The longer we wait to get on with meaningful efficiency reforms, the long &#8220;the meantime&#8221; will last.</p>
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		<title>By: HemmD</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-222091</link>
		<dc:creator>HemmD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; When we&#039;ve driven the costs down far enough that the middle class can afford it and only the genuinely poor need subsidies.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And in the meantime, people suffer while they wait for the right and the left.  The only group healthy in this situation is the private health industry because they are free to manipulate costs to their benefit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If wishes were fishes, no man would starve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J</p>
<p>&#8221; When we&#39;ve driven the costs down far enough that the middle class can afford it and only the genuinely poor need subsidies.&#8221;</p>
<p>And in the meantime, people suffer while they wait for the right and the left.  The only group healthy in this situation is the private health industry because they are free to manipulate costs to their benefit.</p>
<p>If wishes were fishes, no man would starve.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-222047</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no health insurance experts in private industry. There are only pretenders who provide excuses to constantly increase premiums at rates far higher than even the rate of inflation of medical care. Jazz says that the insurance industry trade group can be believed. Sure they can. Just like Enron never did anything to artificially raise the price of electricity in California to enrich their energy trading division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no health insurance experts in private industry. There are only pretenders who provide excuses to constantly increase premiums at rates far higher than even the rate of inflation of medical care. Jazz says that the insurance industry trade group can be believed. Sure they can. Just like Enron never did anything to artificially raise the price of electricity in California to enrich their energy trading division.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-222015</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do we want everyone to have access to health care or not?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the right would rather Obama fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do we want everyone to have access to health care or not?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the right would rather Obama fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-222010</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No one on the right, not in Congress, and certainly not here, has EVER presented an idea that could cover sick people without raising costs.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nor has anyone on the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No one on the right, not in Congress, and certainly not here, has EVER presented an idea that could cover sick people without raising costs.</i></p>
<p>Nor has anyone on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-222000</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There really is no surprise here. The insurance companies don&#039;t WANT to insure sick people, just as they don&#039;t want to insure old people. If you force them to, and prevent them from cherrypicking, OF COURSE it will raise premiums. Insurance company profit relies on avoiding &quot;medical loss,&quot; that is, paying claims. No one on the right, not in Congress, and certainly not here, has EVER presented an idea that could cover sick people without raising costs. Ultimately, the PI industry might just support the &quot;public option&quot; as a way for THEM to continue to opt out on people they consider poor risks. Do we want everyone to have access to health care or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really is no surprise here. The insurance companies don&#39;t WANT to insure sick people, just as they don&#39;t want to insure old people. If you force them to, and prevent them from cherrypicking, OF COURSE it will raise premiums. Insurance company profit relies on avoiding &#8220;medical loss,&#8221; that is, paying claims. No one on the right, not in Congress, and certainly not here, has EVER presented an idea that could cover sick people without raising costs. Ultimately, the PI industry might just support the &#8220;public option&#8221; as a way for THEM to continue to opt out on people they consider poor risks. Do we want everyone to have access to health care or not?</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-221988</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know there is one in Germany right now.  My family will be moving there in a couple of months and we have been trying to decide whether to go with the public or private plan.  In Germany, the private plan cost more than the public, but you get instant access to your health care provider.  Because of the extra cost, private insurers require that you make a certain income to qualify.  In order keep the wealthier(which might mean healthier) customers, the public plan dropped its price for people making private qualified income.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That, is how it is supposed to work.  That is how competition gives me the consumer a better product for less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know there is one in Germany right now.  My family will be moving there in a couple of months and we have been trying to decide whether to go with the public or private plan.  In Germany, the private plan cost more than the public, but you get instant access to your health care provider.  Because of the extra cost, private insurers require that you make a certain income to qualify.  In order keep the wealthier(which might mean healthier) customers, the public plan dropped its price for people making private qualified income.</p>
<p>That, is how it is supposed to work.  That is how competition gives me the consumer a better product for less.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-221985</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why Obama should have never agreed to such a thing...lack of experience problem on his part.  &quot;We&#039;ll fix the health care problem and you can still make billions in profit&quot;...yeah, brilliant starting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why Obama should have never agreed to such a thing&#8230;lack of experience problem on his part.  &#8220;We&#39;ll fix the health care problem and you can still make billions in profit&#8221;&#8230;yeah, brilliant starting point.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least you didn&#039;t say &quot;70 per cent&quot; or some other bogus figure this time who support the public option, Sil; the latest actual figures remain in the low-to-mid-fifties per cent, slightly favoring the public option at this time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;... 55% say they favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans, which is largely unchanged from late July (52%).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://people-press.org/report/551/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://people-press.org/report/551/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even more than this fact, that the lib Dems have been increasingly lib &#039;n&#039; loony this year and that they haven&#039;t given up on the public option and blamed evil insurers and Republicans for its loss yet are why I say it is not dead yet -- the House has yet to begin bargaining with Senate in conference negotiations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The cause is noble so the effect will be beneficial.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wow, the means justify and will insure good ends.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Health Care Opponents Prefer Compromise to Obstruction&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A clear majority of opponents [of health-care reform] (62%) – many of whom say they very strongly oppose health care reform proposals – say they would prefer to see opponents compromise with supporters to make the legislation better, rather than try to prevent a bill from passing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Health Care Supporters Favor Stronger Bill over Compromise&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fewer than four-in-ten [supporters of health-care reform] (38%) say policymakers who support health care reform should compromise with opponents, while 57% say they should try to make the bill as strong as possible.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Pew)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least you didn&#39;t say &#8220;70 per cent&#8221; or some other bogus figure this time who support the public option, Sil; the latest actual figures remain in the low-to-mid-fifties per cent, slightly favoring the public option at this time.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; 55% say they favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans, which is largely unchanged from late July (52%).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/report/551/" rel="nofollow">http://people-press.org/report/551/</a></p>
<p>Even more than this fact, that the lib Dems have been increasingly lib &#39;n&#39; loony this year and that they haven&#39;t given up on the public option and blamed evil insurers and Republicans for its loss yet are why I say it is not dead yet &#8212; the House has yet to begin bargaining with Senate in conference negotiations.</p>
<p>&#8220;The cause is noble so the effect will be beneficial.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, the means justify and will insure good ends.</p>
<p>&#8220;Health Care Opponents Prefer Compromise to Obstruction</p>
<p>A clear majority of opponents [of health-care reform] (62%) – many of whom say they very strongly oppose health care reform proposals – say they would prefer to see opponents compromise with supporters to make the legislation better, rather than try to prevent a bill from passing.</p>
<p>Health Care Supporters Favor Stronger Bill over Compromise</p>
<p>Fewer than four-in-ten [supporters of health-care reform] (38%) say policymakers who support health care reform should compromise with opponents, while 57% say they should try to make the bill as strong as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Pew)</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, Shannon, there&#039;s another example you can give that would probably work better, and would appeal more quickly to people than more complex arguments about what &quot;insurance&quot; means &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blah, now you are just playing with semantics an attempt to talk down to me.  Insurance isn&#039;t health care...yeah I know.  Which is why I would rather see the health care insurance industry blown away and replaced with single payer....and they can raise my taxes to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, Shannon, there&#39;s another example you can give that would probably work better, and would appeal more quickly to people than more complex arguments about what &#8220;insurance&#8221; means &#8220;</p>
<p>Blah, now you are just playing with semantics an attempt to talk down to me.  Insurance isn&#39;t health care&#8230;yeah I know.  Which is why I would rather see the health care insurance industry blown away and replaced with single payer&#8230;.and they can raise my taxes to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<dc:creator>dduck12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is with the intense political partisanship and mistrust on both sides of the aisle these days, it&#039;s: &quot;my proposal is good because it&#039;s from my party&quot;.  &quot;Your proposal stinks since it&#039;s from your party.&quot;&lt;br&gt;So much for current politicians bringing us together.  Too bad Nixon-Kennedy didn&#039;t go anywhere, they may had a more congenial atmosphere.  Oh well, if pigs could fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is with the intense political partisanship and mistrust on both sides of the aisle these days, it&#39;s: &#8220;my proposal is good because it&#39;s from my party&#8221;.  &#8220;Your proposal stinks since it&#39;s from your party.&#8221;<br />So much for current politicians bringing us together.  Too bad Nixon-Kennedy didn&#39;t go anywhere, they may had a more congenial atmosphere.  Oh well, if pigs could fly.</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family and I have been enjoying the best public option health care plan the U.S. government can provide---the best in the world---for peanuts or compeletly free.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder why so many of you wouldn&#039;t want to have a similar health care plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I have been enjoying the best public option health care plan the U.S. government can provide&#8212;the best in the world&#8212;for peanuts or compeletly free.</p>
<p>I wonder why so many of you wouldn&#39;t want to have a similar health care plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the public option is enacted, all will work itself out.  The cause is noble so the effect will be beneficial.  There&#039;s no more to say.  In every situation involving change someone loses while another gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the public option is enacted, all will work itself out.  The cause is noble so the effect will be beneficial.  There&#39;s no more to say.  In every situation involving change someone loses while another gains.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-221962</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope -- not fair to me.  There&#039;s no guarantee we&#039;ll end up with a public option.  But it&#039;s far from dead.  The lib Dems in the House, shacked by their overreach, remain far from dead.  Don&#039;t forget that there may be a burst of intelligence there and they may relinquish their insanely tight grasp on the term, &quot;public option&quot; if they realize someday they can achieve the same thing, just without that name, such as by modifying any co-op or state-federal &quot;exchange&quot; to suit their needs or wants better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope &#8212; not fair to me.  There&#39;s no guarantee we&#39;ll end up with a public option.  But it&#39;s far from dead.  The lib Dems in the House, shacked by their overreach, remain far from dead.  Don&#39;t forget that there may be a burst of intelligence there and they may relinquish their insanely tight grasp on the term, &#8220;public option&#8221; if they realize someday they can achieve the same thing, just without that name, such as by modifying any co-op or state-federal &#8220;exchange&#8221; to suit their needs or wants better.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/49280/surprise-propose-health-insurance-reform-will-raise-premiums/comment-page-1/#comment-221950</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@@The public option is far from dead at this time@@&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ok, I&#039;m in a betting mood. I&#039;ll deliver to you a 1971 lime green AMC Gremlin, the pride of Kenosha, Wisconsin, if there is a public option passed this year beyond just something that possibly triggers in 2013. Should there be none, you will deliver to me a 1947 Morgan, concours condition.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sound fair?</description>
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<p>Ok, I&#39;m in a betting mood. I&#39;ll deliver to you a 1971 lime green AMC Gremlin, the pride of Kenosha, Wisconsin, if there is a public option passed this year beyond just something that possibly triggers in 2013. Should there be none, you will deliver to me a 1947 Morgan, concours condition.</p>
<p>Sound fair?</p>
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