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		<title>By: christopherrussomd</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopherrussomd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not pretend I have all of the answers. I will leave that to folks who are smarter than I am. I do know that just the threat of getting sued plays a huge role in how physicians conduct themselves on a day to day basis. With today&#039;s medicolegal climate, when I go to work and see a fairly routine patient with a fairly routine complaint, I am much more inclined to order a $10,000 work-up to get a 99% diagnosis, than to spend $200 to get a 97% diagnosis. Knowing that there are dozens of malpractice attorneys around the corner salivating to get their hands on me. Knowing full well, that although I may be innocent of any wrong doing, I may be tied up in court for years and that a judgement may be settled out of court because it is cheaper than actually defending myself. This is &#039;lawsuit lotto&#039;, and the attorneys know this. They will tell you that they are protecting patient&#039;s rights, yet take 60% or more of any award. Make no mistake, I agree with compensating a person who is a victim of gross negligence, however, the trial lawyers have the current system rigged and flood Congress with money to keep it that way. Shine it up any way you want, but it still stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not pretend I have all of the answers. I will leave that to folks who are smarter than I am. I do know that just the threat of getting sued plays a huge role in how physicians conduct themselves on a day to day basis. With today&#39;s medicolegal climate, when I go to work and see a fairly routine patient with a fairly routine complaint, I am much more inclined to order a $10,000 work-up to get a 99% diagnosis, than to spend $200 to get a 97% diagnosis. Knowing that there are dozens of malpractice attorneys around the corner salivating to get their hands on me. Knowing full well, that although I may be innocent of any wrong doing, I may be tied up in court for years and that a judgement may be settled out of court because it is cheaper than actually defending myself. This is &#39;lawsuit lotto&#39;, and the attorneys know this. They will tell you that they are protecting patient&#39;s rights, yet take 60% or more of any award. Make no mistake, I agree with compensating a person who is a victim of gross negligence, however, the trial lawyers have the current system rigged and flood Congress with money to keep it that way. Shine it up any way you want, but it still stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: christopherrussomd</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopherrussomd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any bill that is produced that does not include real tort reforms can not be taken seriously. At this very moment, on the cover of the Tampa Bay Yellow Pages, there are three different advertisements for three different malpractice firms. JUST ON THE COVER! On my way to work, I see SIX roadside billboards, advertising the services of malpractice attorneys. This along a four mile stretch of northbound 275. If you don&#039;t think physicians think about these things, you are wrong. I know I do. I know my colleagues do. What a shame. You can bet I am going to order every test in the book to CMA with little regard to the cost. I am not about to give away what took me over a decade and a half to earn. Not a chance. The arguments against real tort reforms are old, tired, and stopped holding water a long time ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christopher Russo, M.D.&lt;br&gt;University of Michigan Medical School &#039;94</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any bill that is produced that does not include real tort reforms can not be taken seriously. At this very moment, on the cover of the Tampa Bay Yellow Pages, there are three different advertisements for three different malpractice firms. JUST ON THE COVER! On my way to work, I see SIX roadside billboards, advertising the services of malpractice attorneys. This along a four mile stretch of northbound 275. If you don&#39;t think physicians think about these things, you are wrong. I know I do. I know my colleagues do. What a shame. You can bet I am going to order every test in the book to CMA with little regard to the cost. I am not about to give away what took me over a decade and a half to earn. Not a chance. The arguments against real tort reforms are old, tired, and stopped holding water a long time ago.</p>
<p>Christopher Russo, M.D.<br />University of Michigan Medical School &#39;94</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now it&#039;s time to look at the other side of this -- to foresee and forestall &quot;patient dumping.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;States should be able to opt out, and not have to pay taxes if they opt out, certainly.  But a detail would have to be included, prohibiting, then, people in those opt-out states from buying insurance elsewhere (in other states, that is).  Otherwise critics may rightly suspect some states may prefer to opt-out and leave (force) those with little recourse to rely on buying insurance from other states (whose systems would use federal money as well as have subsidized or otherwise cost-reduced &quot;insurance&quot; available to all).  It is a variant, in other words, of a &quot;race to the bottom&quot; scenario -- in this case, opting out of the federal public system but (with a wink and a nudge and even the open encouragement of it by their own states&#039; own public service personnel), to have people who need help and could benefit from a public system in their own state, to resort to getting insurance from other states with public systems, if interstate purchase was allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it&#39;s time to look at the other side of this &#8212; to foresee and forestall &#8220;patient dumping.&#8221;</p>
<p>States should be able to opt out, and not have to pay taxes if they opt out, certainly.  But a detail would have to be included, prohibiting, then, people in those opt-out states from buying insurance elsewhere (in other states, that is).  Otherwise critics may rightly suspect some states may prefer to opt-out and leave (force) those with little recourse to rely on buying insurance from other states (whose systems would use federal money as well as have subsidized or otherwise cost-reduced &#8220;insurance&#8221; available to all).  It is a variant, in other words, of a &#8220;race to the bottom&#8221; scenario &#8212; in this case, opting out of the federal public system but (with a wink and a nudge and even the open encouragement of it by their own states&#39; own public service personnel), to have people who need help and could benefit from a public system in their own state, to resort to getting insurance from other states with public systems, if interstate purchase was allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and I agree totally. This is actually a plan that belongs on this site: The MODERATE Voice.&lt;BR&gt;As I said, if they don&#039;t require payment (or higher federal taxes) from those that opt-out, I&#039;d tell my representatives to go for it.&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and I agree totally. This is actually a plan that belongs on this site: The MODERATE Voice.<br />As I said, if they don&#39;t require payment (or higher federal taxes) from those that opt-out, I&#39;d tell my representatives to go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Medicare is running in deficit, and it&#039;s general funds that have to make up the difference.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nobody sane expected Medicare (or Social Security) reform and rescue before attempting something much more ambitious and larger in scope like health care for more people, did they?  (Or believed the vows by Obama and anyone else who said reform was needed and would be done)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Medicare is running in deficit, and it&#39;s general funds that have to make up the difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody sane expected Medicare (or Social Security) reform and rescue before attempting something much more ambitious and larger in scope like health care for more people, did they?  (Or believed the vows by Obama and anyone else who said reform was needed and would be done)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there should be no &quot;presumed consent&quot; (nor taxation without associated consent), and rather than an &quot;opt-out&quot; feature, it should be an &quot;opt-in&quot; feature.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note that the foregoing should be done with so many &quot;grand&quot; things people want the nation to do (which they presume should be done by the federal government).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And note the more fundamental issue here, which is that government health care proponents are failing to try to get this kind of thing done by state governments, where they should be looking always first before ever considering the federal government.  But a federal approach, it is going to be.  This &quot;opt-out&quot; (or an &quot;opt-in&quot; superior alternative, for that matter) is obviously adding another measure of incrementalism to the (already-incrementalist) current effort in order to progress through opposition (which makes prompt universal federal health care, replacing the private insurers, impossible).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What this is (&quot;opt-out&quot;) is an added qualification on the public option and certainly the public option remains alive at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there should be no &#8220;presumed consent&#8221; (nor taxation without associated consent), and rather than an &#8220;opt-out&#8221; feature, it should be an &#8220;opt-in&#8221; feature.</p>
<p>Note that the foregoing should be done with so many &#8220;grand&#8221; things people want the nation to do (which they presume should be done by the federal government).</p>
<p>And note the more fundamental issue here, which is that government health care proponents are failing to try to get this kind of thing done by state governments, where they should be looking always first before ever considering the federal government.  But a federal approach, it is going to be.  This &#8220;opt-out&#8221; (or an &#8220;opt-in&#8221; superior alternative, for that matter) is obviously adding another measure of incrementalism to the (already-incrementalist) current effort in order to progress through opposition (which makes prompt universal federal health care, replacing the private insurers, impossible).</p>
<p>What this is (&#8220;opt-out&#8221;) is an added qualification on the public option and certainly the public option remains alive at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr J -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;ll have to see what comes of this.  I&#039;m not sure Medicare is a good comparison because it is universal with no opt out.  There is also the issue about how premiums would be set and paid for within an opt-out public option.  My cynical hunch is that Congress is counting on those, &quot;young invincibles&quot; in particlular, who will pay the fine because it is cheaper than purchasing insurance, with that revenue then being used to fund, at least in part, the subsidies for others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For now, the &quot;opt-out&quot; proposal is an interesting idea.  How it would, or could, be implemented is where the rubber will hit the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr J -</p>
<p>We&#39;ll have to see what comes of this.  I&#39;m not sure Medicare is a good comparison because it is universal with no opt out.  There is also the issue about how premiums would be set and paid for within an opt-out public option.  My cynical hunch is that Congress is counting on those, &#8220;young invincibles&#8221; in particlular, who will pay the fine because it is cheaper than purchasing insurance, with that revenue then being used to fund, at least in part, the subsidies for others.</p>
<p>For now, the &#8220;opt-out&#8221; proposal is an interesting idea.  How it would, or could, be implemented is where the rubber will hit the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;States that opt out should be able to opt out cleanly, without having to pay for those that don&#039;t.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good luck with that.  You can make that true on the face of it, but medicare funding shows the problem.  Medicare is running in deficit, and it&#039;s general funds that have to make up the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>States that opt out should be able to opt out cleanly, without having to pay for those that don&#39;t.</i></p>
<p>Good luck with that.  You can make that true on the face of it, but medicare funding shows the problem.  Medicare is running in deficit, and it&#39;s general funds that have to make up the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We agree that this does not solve all the problems.  But, it looks like some sort of health bill is coming our way, and this could be an improvement over what we were talking about two days ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It will all be in the details as you point out.  States that opt out should be able to opt out cleanly, without having to pay for those that don&#039;t.  Like you, I&#039;d like to see Congress do something that didn&#039;t involve a bow and a courtsey to the insurance industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD -</p>
<p>We agree that this does not solve all the problems.  But, it looks like some sort of health bill is coming our way, and this could be an improvement over what we were talking about two days ago.</p>
<p>It will all be in the details as you point out.  States that opt out should be able to opt out cleanly, without having to pay for those that don&#39;t.  Like you, I&#39;d like to see Congress do something that didn&#39;t involve a bow and a courtsey to the insurance industry.</p>
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		<title>By: HemmD</title>
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		<dc:creator>HemmD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting if there was a table showing how much health insurance premiums cost per state.  I know the cost of  living varies regionally, but with that factored in, one could certainly imply some useful information.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting if there was a table showing how much health insurance premiums cost per state.  I know the cost of  living varies regionally, but with that factored in, one could certainly imply some useful information.  </p>
<p>IMO</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason for a public option is so that it can be subsidized with tax dollars and undercut the private sector.  That is why it will not start until 2013.  The Democrats want to push the job loses from shutting down most of the private insurers until after the next presidential election. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is laughable to hear Democrats talk about wanting to create jobs when they are wanting to shut down private medical insurance, manufacturing in the U.S., the oil and gas industry, and most segments of the private sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason for a public option is so that it can be subsidized with tax dollars and undercut the private sector.  That is why it will not start until 2013.  The Democrats want to push the job loses from shutting down most of the private insurers until after the next presidential election. </p>
<p>It is laughable to hear Democrats talk about wanting to create jobs when they are wanting to shut down private medical insurance, manufacturing in the U.S., the oil and gas industry, and most segments of the private sector.</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the states that opt out don&#039;t pay in  then it&#039;s very possible. Personally I would prefer that the States &quot;opt in&quot; but I&#039;m not such a stickler that it would be a deal breaker. It preserves one of the things I feel is so valuable about our system. That States can do things their own way to suit the people that live there and people can  also find the location that suits them best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the states that opt out don&#39;t pay in  then it&#39;s very possible. Personally I would prefer that the States &#8220;opt in&#8221; but I&#39;m not such a stickler that it would be a deal breaker. It preserves one of the things I feel is so valuable about our system. That States can do things their own way to suit the people that live there and people can  also find the location that suits them best.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, alas, this &quot;compromise&quot; does nothing to address the problem we now have.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(broken record)&lt;br&gt;Very few in Congress have the cojones to face down the insurance, pharmaceutical, healthcare, and tort lobby with tough regulation.  Of course that would CURE the problem and bring down costs immediately, instead of drastically changing the system and forcing us trillions of dollars further into debt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The state opt-out sounds interesting as long as the states that opt out don&#039;t have to chip in to pay for those that don&#039;t.  If that&#039;s the case, and Congress refuses to address the issues above, then I&#039;m in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, alas, this &#8220;compromise&#8221; does nothing to address the problem we now have.</p>
<p>(broken record)<br />Very few in Congress have the cojones to face down the insurance, pharmaceutical, healthcare, and tort lobby with tough regulation.  Of course that would CURE the problem and bring down costs immediately, instead of drastically changing the system and forcing us trillions of dollars further into debt.</p>
<p>The state opt-out sounds interesting as long as the states that opt out don&#39;t have to chip in to pay for those that don&#39;t.  If that&#39;s the case, and Congress refuses to address the issues above, then I&#39;m in.</p>
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		<title>By: redbus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know, Kathy, how Americans living abroad would have access to this new public option health care system? I ask the question selfishly, since I fall in this category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know, Kathy, how Americans living abroad would have access to this new public option health care system? I ask the question selfishly, since I fall in this category.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Kathy, please keep us current as more details become available.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will -- I&#039;m rather excited about this myself. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kathy, please keep us current as more details become available.</i></p>
<p>I will &#8212; I&#39;m rather excited about this myself. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually an interesting idea, one of the best I&#039;ve seen in the course of the debate. It makes sense on a number of levels, particularly the test/comparison model of states who stay in v. states who opt out. The devil is in the details, but this is the first thing to come out of the muddled health reform warfare that really intrigues me.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I&#039;m trying to figure out now how the insurance industry will attack to kill it or use their lobbying power to &quot;revise&quot; it to their advantage. If something like this gets through clean, it could actually force insurance companies to rein in premiums and could, potentially, have an impact on underlying health care costs...two elements missing in the current proposals in Congress.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Kathy, please keep us current as more details become available.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually an interesting idea, one of the best I&#39;ve seen in the course of the debate. It makes sense on a number of levels, particularly the test/comparison model of states who stay in v. states who opt out. The devil is in the details, but this is the first thing to come out of the muddled health reform warfare that really intrigues me.</p>
<p>I&#39;m trying to figure out now how the insurance industry will attack to kill it or use their lobbying power to &#8220;revise&#8221; it to their advantage. If something like this gets through clean, it could actually force insurance companies to rein in premiums and could, potentially, have an impact on underlying health care costs&#8230;two elements missing in the current proposals in Congress.</p>
<p>Kathy, please keep us current as more details become available.</p>
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