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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-222339</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What&#039;s the point? I think I&#039;m just going to do what most everybody else here does and ignore you. So I invite you to post all the crapola web sources you wish.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please ignore me.  It&#039;s your only defense when you cannot debate a point.  I asked you a point blank question, and pretending I didn&#039;t is denial.  I merely pointed out the flaw in your assertion that insurance companies were &quot;evil republican&quot; entities.  You chose to not reply.  Typical liberal tactic.  How&#039;s that workin&#039; out for ya?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What&#39;s the point? I think I&#39;m just going to do what most everybody else here does and ignore you. So I invite you to post all the crapola web sources you wish.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please ignore me.  It&#39;s your only defense when you cannot debate a point.  I asked you a point blank question, and pretending I didn&#39;t is denial.  I merely pointed out the flaw in your assertion that insurance companies were &#8220;evil republican&#8221; entities.  You chose to not reply.  Typical liberal tactic.  How&#39;s that workin&#39; out for ya?</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221392</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the point? I think I&#039;m just going to do what most everybody else here does and ignore you. So I invite you to post all the crapola web sources you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s the point? I think I&#39;m just going to do what most everybody else here does and ignore you. So I invite you to post all the crapola web sources you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221324</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your data is incomplete and not up to date.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yet I put my sources down for my information, both conservative and liberal to eliminate any bias.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where are YOUR sources that are more &quot;updated&quot;?  Care to elaborate?  Or are you going to stay partisan on this one and ignore the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your data is incomplete and not up to date.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet I put my sources down for my information, both conservative and liberal to eliminate any bias.</p>
<p>Where are YOUR sources that are more &#8220;updated&#8221;?  Care to elaborate?  Or are you going to stay partisan on this one and ignore the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221154</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep Republican Insurance crooks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your data is incomplete and not up to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep Republican Insurance crooks.</p>
<p>Your data is incomplete and not up to date.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221136</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Crooked Republican Insurance industry will be ruined...&quot;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Go look at who the &quot;crooked republican insurance companies&quot; donate their money to. I believe Leonidas posted those figures a while back (correct me if I&#039;m wrong, Leo). Go ahead and look. Let me know what you see. Take off the rose-tinted glasses and actually look for some truth instead of rambling partisan canned comments.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;And by the way..... Progressive insurance is completely Democrat controlled, with profits benefitting liberal causes (ACLU: 8.5 million - DNC 527s: 24 million - &lt;A href=&quot;http://moveon.org/&quot; rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MoveOn.org&lt;/A&gt; Vote Fund: 2.5 million). Isn&#039;t that interesting?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Liberal source: &lt;A href=&quot;http://atheism.about.com/b/a/227933.htm&quot; rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://atheism.about.com/b/a/227933.htm&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Conservative source: &lt;A href=&quot;http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/12/the_rncs_moveon.php&quot; rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archiv...&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;What say you, Partisan_Father_Time?&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Crooked Republican Insurance industry will be ruined&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Go look at who the &#8220;crooked republican insurance companies&#8221; donate their money to. I believe Leonidas posted those figures a while back (correct me if I&#39;m wrong, Leo). Go ahead and look. Let me know what you see. Take off the rose-tinted glasses and actually look for some truth instead of rambling partisan canned comments.</p>
<p>And by the way&#8230;.. Progressive insurance is completely Democrat controlled, with profits benefitting liberal causes (ACLU: 8.5 million &#8211; DNC 527s: 24 million &#8211; <a href="http://moveon.org/" rel=nofollow rel="nofollow">MoveOn.org</a> Vote Fund: 2.5 million). Isn&#39;t that interesting?</p>
<p>Liberal source: <a href="http://atheism.about.com/b/a/227933.htm" rel=nofollow rel="nofollow">http://atheism.about.com/b/a/227933.htm</a><br />Conservative source: <a href="http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/12/the_rncs_moveon.php" rel=nofollow rel="nofollow">http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archiv&#8230;</a></p>
<p>What say you, Partisan_Father_Time?</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221111</link>
		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The biggest concern I have is why we taxpayers are subsidizing the private carriers to insure us. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That does pretty much put it all in perspective doesn&#039;t it?  Should we tell anyone we agree on something, or should we keep it to ourselves?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The biggest concern I have is why we taxpayers are subsidizing the private carriers to insure us. &#8220;</p>
<p>That does pretty much put it all in perspective doesn&#39;t it?  Should we tell anyone we agree on something, or should we keep it to ourselves?  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: COACHEP &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about California&#8217;s Budget Deficit as of October 8, 2009</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221122</link>
		<dc:creator>COACHEP &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about California&#8217;s Budget Deficit as of October 8, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would be on a program originally sold as help for low-income women, children and the disabled.   The Big Con - themoderatevoice.com 10/08/2009 Excuse me, but I have some reservations and a bunch of questions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would be on a program originally sold as help for low-income women, children and the disabled.   The Big Con &#8211; themoderatevoice.com 10/08/2009 Excuse me, but I have some reservations and a bunch of questions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221078</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The biggest concern I have is why we taxpayers are subsidizing the private carriers to insure us. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I find the scary myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The biggest concern I have is why we taxpayers are subsidizing the private carriers to insure us. &#8220;</p>
<p>Yes, I find the scary myself.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221067</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know in which direction the takeover (replacement) trend and the related incrementalism are heading.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fake &quot;competition&quot; (only the feeble-minded believe it is &quot;competition&quot; that &quot;keeps the insurers honest&quot;; proponents would do better to rely instead on a partial truth, like &quot;reduce their profits and hopefully the rise in their charges&quot;) may well be augmented if the lib Dems in the House have their way; Pelosi has now been chattering about levying a &quot;windfall&quot; [sic] tax on the insurers with whom the public option would have the federal government &quot;competing.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(There&#039;s been next to no other incrementalism tried in place of &quot;Universality Lite&quot; such as taking over and expanding Medicaid, incorporating Medicaid into Medicare, extending S-CHIP, incorporating S-CHIP into Medicare and extending Medicare to all children, lowering the Medicare age from 65 to 62, nor has there been substantial effort redirected from the federal government to the state governments as choice agents of government for health care intervention and provision.  The takeover advocates have blundered even with their core object and set of measures they could undertake.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know in which direction the takeover (replacement) trend and the related incrementalism are heading.</p>
<p>The fake &#8220;competition&#8221; (only the feeble-minded believe it is &#8220;competition&#8221; that &#8220;keeps the insurers honest&#8221;; proponents would do better to rely instead on a partial truth, like &#8220;reduce their profits and hopefully the rise in their charges&#8221;) may well be augmented if the lib Dems in the House have their way; Pelosi has now been chattering about levying a &#8220;windfall&#8221; [sic] tax on the insurers with whom the public option would have the federal government &#8220;competing.&#8221;</p>
<p>(There&#39;s been next to no other incrementalism tried in place of &#8220;Universality Lite&#8221; such as taking over and expanding Medicaid, incorporating Medicaid into Medicare, extending S-CHIP, incorporating S-CHIP into Medicare and extending Medicare to all children, lowering the Medicare age from 65 to 62, nor has there been substantial effort redirected from the federal government to the state governments as choice agents of government for health care intervention and provision.  The takeover advocates have blundered even with their core object and set of measures they could undertake.)</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221065</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well full National Healthcare is not far down the road, then the crooked Republican insurance industry will be ruined as we know it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will cherish the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well full National Healthcare is not far down the road, then the crooked Republican insurance industry will be ruined as we know it.</p>
<p>I will cherish the day.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48932/the-big-con/comment-page-1/#comment-221054</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that bill looms as a boondoggle keeping the private insurance carriers in charge of our health system and that fact in itself produces a death rattle in the throats of&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;... extremists, but the rest of us aren&#039;t surprised, as keeping the insurers alive while arranging bogus &quot;competition&quot; with them by the federal government gives the Dems the time they need to continue their incrementalism.  (The public rejects any rash, stupid rush promptly of complete government takeover, let alone presuming it&#039;s some kind of &quot;obligation&quot; [sic] involving the federal government.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that bill looms as a boondoggle keeping the private insurance carriers in charge of our health system and that fact in itself produces a death rattle in the throats of&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; extremists, but the rest of us aren&#39;t surprised, as keeping the insurers alive while arranging bogus &#8220;competition&#8221; with them by the federal government gives the Dems the time they need to continue their incrementalism.  (The public rejects any rash, stupid rush promptly of complete government takeover, let alone presuming it&#39;s some kind of &#8220;obligation&#8221; [sic] involving the federal government.)</p>
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