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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48458/eating-ground-beef-is-still-a-big-health-gamble/comment-page-1/#comment-220488</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I love animals, and have 4 of them in the house, but I could never become a vegan. I tried to switch to vegan cheese and soy milk- but I can&#039;t get used to the taste of the milk. Pescatarian is a pretty easy compromise. I&#039;m not eating meat or poultry and can still find things to order on menus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I admire your friend&#039;s dedication, Tidbits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I love animals, and have 4 of them in the house, but I could never become a vegan. I tried to switch to vegan cheese and soy milk- but I can&#39;t get used to the taste of the milk. Pescatarian is a pretty easy compromise. I&#39;m not eating meat or poultry and can still find things to order on menus.</p>
<p>I admire your friend&#39;s dedication, Tidbits.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a vegetarian myself, one of my best friends (almost 20 years) is vegan.  When we have lunch together she insists on paying then dictates no meat or dairy.  No matter how many times I tell her I would not eat meat or dairy in her presence, the routine never changes.  She makes great vegan pizza and inundates me with PETA literature.  We live in different states now.  She&#039;s a great person; this thread reminded me.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a vegetarian myself, one of my best friends (almost 20 years) is vegan.  When we have lunch together she insists on paying then dictates no meat or dairy.  No matter how many times I tell her I would not eat meat or dairy in her presence, the routine never changes.  She makes great vegan pizza and inundates me with PETA literature.  We live in different states now.  She&#39;s a great person; this thread reminded me.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roro&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a great hint about the Morningside corndogs. I just bought their Italian sausage- but haven&#039;t tried it yet. I want to make a big pot of sauce with it and some peppers and onions over pasta.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The breakfast sausage isn&#039;t bad-- we eat it once in a while.</description>
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<p>That&#39;s a great hint about the Morningside corndogs. I just bought their Italian sausage- but haven&#39;t tried it yet. I want to make a big pot of sauce with it and some peppers and onions over pasta.</p>
<p>The breakfast sausage isn&#39;t bad&#8211; we eat it once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48458/eating-ground-beef-is-still-a-big-health-gamble/comment-page-1/#comment-220266</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frith Ra-- &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember that huge scandal in the kosher meat packing plant last year? If you can&#039;t trust kosher meat -- you certainly can&#039;t trust regular meat.  Deregulation has left consumers prey to the kinds of practices that used to give people nightmares in &quot;The Jungle&quot;.  Even where regulations exist, there are never enough inspectors to do a credible job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frith Ra&#8211; </p>
<p>Remember that huge scandal in the kosher meat packing plant last year? If you can&#39;t trust kosher meat &#8212; you certainly can&#39;t trust regular meat.  Deregulation has left consumers prey to the kinds of practices that used to give people nightmares in &#8220;The Jungle&#8221;.  Even where regulations exist, there are never enough inspectors to do a credible job.</p>
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		<title>By: Frith_Ra</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48458/eating-ground-beef-is-still-a-big-health-gamble/comment-page-1/#comment-220221</link>
		<dc:creator>Frith_Ra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the darker, the better. Sometimes I just want to grab a cocoa pod &amp; start chewing it raw. (which may actually be better for me than the processed product.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the darker, the better. Sometimes I just want to grab a cocoa pod &#038; start chewing it raw. (which may actually be better for me than the processed product.)</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;chocolate jones&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I knew I liked you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dark bittersweet chocolate jones, here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;chocolate jones&#8221;</p>
<p>I knew I liked you.</p>
<p>dark bittersweet chocolate jones, here.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: Page Your Office, Upton Sinclair &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48458/eating-ground-beef-is-still-a-big-health-gamble/comment-page-1/#comment-220187</link>
		<dc:creator>Page Your Office, Upton Sinclair &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frith_Ra</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48458/eating-ground-beef-is-still-a-big-health-gamble/comment-page-1/#comment-220161</link>
		<dc:creator>Frith_Ra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went Veg almost 20 years back. I&#039;ve lost weight, even with a generally sedentary lifestyle (&amp; a chocolate jones), &amp; I&#039;ve been able to avoid having to have my food recalled in most cases. (Odwalla juices being a prime counter example). It doesn&#039;t surprise me that meat packers are afraid to have their product tested, that costs money &amp; may cause them to have to spend more profits to clean the plant up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The answer: Go vegetarian. The food&#039;s better &amp; you don&#039;t need hamburgers anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went Veg almost 20 years back. I&#39;ve lost weight, even with a generally sedentary lifestyle (&#038; a chocolate jones), &#038; I&#39;ve been able to avoid having to have my food recalled in most cases. (Odwalla juices being a prime counter example). It doesn&#39;t surprise me that meat packers are afraid to have their product tested, that costs money &#038; may cause them to have to spend more profits to clean the plant up.</p>
<p>The answer: Go vegetarian. The food&#39;s better &#038; you don&#39;t need hamburgers anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally love how this became a thread on the awesomeness of fake meat!  I&#039;ve been a veggie since the age of 14, so fake meat is one of my favorite things.  Morning Star (who makes a decent &quot;crumble&quot;) also makes awesome sausage patties, and beyond awesome corn dogs -- I hadn&#039;t had a corn dog in 10 years and was so excited!  St. Ives makes a very decent baloney, and The Good Dog makes delicious hot dogs.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For those who love cooking, I prefer TVP (Texturized Vegetable Protien) to the pre-seasoned crumbles.  It has essentially no fat and no salt and no other flavoring, so you certainly need to add all that to make it taste good.  I just find the pre-seasoned crumbles sometimes are seasoned incorrectly for what I&#039;m making.  For example, I make a lot of TVP tacos and fake bolognese sauce that don&#039;t work too well with the crumbles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally love how this became a thread on the awesomeness of fake meat!  I&#39;ve been a veggie since the age of 14, so fake meat is one of my favorite things.  Morning Star (who makes a decent &#8220;crumble&#8221;) also makes awesome sausage patties, and beyond awesome corn dogs &#8212; I hadn&#39;t had a corn dog in 10 years and was so excited!  St. Ives makes a very decent baloney, and The Good Dog makes delicious hot dogs.  </p>
<p>For those who love cooking, I prefer TVP (Texturized Vegetable Protien) to the pre-seasoned crumbles.  It has essentially no fat and no salt and no other flavoring, so you certainly need to add all that to make it taste good.  I just find the pre-seasoned crumbles sometimes are seasoned incorrectly for what I&#39;m making.  For example, I make a lot of TVP tacos and fake bolognese sauce that don&#39;t work too well with the crumbles.</p>
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		<title>By: TT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is the US importing beef?</description>
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		<title>By: Gleeman’s Daily News—10/05 - News - emrupdate.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gleeman’s Daily News—10/05 - News - emrupdate.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How safe is our ground beef? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ordinarysparrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ordinarysparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh My!. . .i am so glad to be vegetarian after reading this. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh My!. . .i am so glad to be vegetarian after reading this. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: rbestlab</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbestlab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSpencer  Sorry to spoil your fun but read this -  before you bite into that next Bambi burger&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD)&lt;br&gt;What is chronic wasting disease?&lt;br&gt;Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a progressive, fatal nervous system disease known to naturally infect white-tailed deer, mule deer, black-tailed deer, moose and elk.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CWD belongs to the family of diseases known as transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs). Though it shares features with other TSEs, such as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in cattle and scrapie in sheep, it is a distinct disease known at this time to only affect members of the deer (cervid) family............................................&lt;br&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/cwdmdc/cwdmdcfse.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasa...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Current US NIH web pdf&#039;s say that Canadian hunters have contracted CJD (100% fatal)  from slaughtered CWD infected white-tail deer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSpencer  Sorry to spoil your fun but read this &#8211;  before you bite into that next Bambi burger</p>
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<p>Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD)<br />What is chronic wasting disease?<br />Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a progressive, fatal nervous system disease known to naturally infect white-tailed deer, mule deer, black-tailed deer, moose and elk.</p>
<p>CWD belongs to the family of diseases known as transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs). Though it shares features with other TSEs, such as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in cattle and scrapie in sheep, it is a distinct disease known at this time to only affect members of the deer (cervid) family&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br /> <a href="http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/cwdmdc/cwdmdcfse.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasa&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Current US NIH web pdf&#39;s say that Canadian hunters have contracted CJD (100% fatal)  from slaughtered CWD infected white-tail deer</p>
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		<title>By: Rambie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rambie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still an Omnivore, but these are good on a grill with a slice of cheese.   I used turkey breast as bacon and it came out great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m still an Omnivore, but these are good on a grill with a slice of cheese.   I used turkey breast as bacon and it came out great!</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually make them in the microwave, because the ones I have tried come out&lt;br&gt;too dried out on the grill. I put them on a toasted bun with cheese, ketchup&lt;br&gt;and pickle chips, and it really does help the cheeseburger craving that&lt;br&gt;never totally goes  away ( I have been a pescatarian for 3.5 years)&lt;br&gt;regards, KR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually make them in the microwave, because the ones I have tried come out<br />too dried out on the grill. I put them on a toasted bun with cheese, ketchup<br />and pickle chips, and it really does help the cheeseburger craving that<br />never totally goes  away ( I have been a pescatarian for 3.5 years)<br />regards, KR</p>
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		<title>By: Rambie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rambie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried those crumbles in a casserole too and it came out pretty good.  I bought some veggie-patties at CostCo a few weeks ago when we had a BBQ party and everyone loved them.   When I went back CostCo had sold out, so I hope they get more. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only thing was I had to use a cast iron pan because the patties were too weak to stay formed the grates on the grill.  I lost the first few patties and I&#039;ll probably use foil next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve tried those crumbles in a casserole too and it came out pretty good.  I bought some veggie-patties at CostCo a few weeks ago when we had a BBQ party and everyone loved them.   When I went back CostCo had sold out, so I hope they get more. </p>
<p>The only thing was I had to use a cast iron pan because the patties were too weak to stay formed the grates on the grill.  I lost the first few patties and I&#39;ll probably use foil next time.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another option is vegetarian beef crumbles- which can be used in sauces, stews and casseroles. I make my lasagna with this and it comes out great! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The added health benefit is that the amount of dietary fat is reduced by 70%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another option is vegetarian beef crumbles- which can be used in sauces, stews and casseroles. I make my lasagna with this and it comes out great! </p>
<p>The added health benefit is that the amount of dietary fat is reduced by 70%.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI, those trimmings of unknown origin are not allowed in certified organic meats.</description>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shoot a deer each fall, which gives me enough meat for the year. Also I have a garden in the summer. I still have to buy groceries though, as do most people. When I was a kid my folks would buy half a beef now and then from a local. How many people know the provenance of what they eat these days? People eat too much meat here, which is unsafe and environmentally unsustainable as well, but they just eat too much period. People as a rule were considerably slimmer when I was growing up, ate less, were more active, and knew where their food came from. Now all bets are off it seems. Of course we brought this on ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shoot a deer each fall, which gives me enough meat for the year. Also I have a garden in the summer. I still have to buy groceries though, as do most people. When I was a kid my folks would buy half a beef now and then from a local. How many people know the provenance of what they eat these days? People eat too much meat here, which is unsafe and environmentally unsustainable as well, but they just eat too much period. People as a rule were considerably slimmer when I was growing up, ate less, were more active, and knew where their food came from. Now all bets are off it seems. Of course we brought this on ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The food safety officer at American Foodservice, which grinds 365 million pounds of hamburger a year, said it stopped testing trimmings a decade ago because of resistance from slaughterhouses. “They would not sell to us,” said Timothy P. Biela, the officer. “If I test and it’s positive, I put them in a regulatory situation. One, I have to tell the government, and two, the government will trace it back to them. So we don’t do that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The food safety officer at American Foodservice, which grinds 365 million pounds of hamburger a year, said it stopped testing trimmings a decade ago because of resistance from slaughterhouses. “They would not sell to us,” said Timothy P. Biela, the officer. “If I test and it’s positive, I put them in a regulatory situation. One, I have to tell the government, and two, the government will trace it back to them. So we don’t do that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yikes!</p>
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