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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48013/obama-rebuilds-the-iron-curtain-romania-liberia-romania/comment-page-1/#comment-218908</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, if weird, response to this post. The &quot;missile defense shield&quot; has nothing to do with tanks or with Georgia. It was a nonworking boondoggle and a waste of money. To the Eastern Europeans: the idea that Russia would launch an ICBM at them is unbelievably preposterous. Do these people not have MAPS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, if weird, response to this post. The &#8220;missile defense shield&#8221; has nothing to do with tanks or with Georgia. It was a nonworking boondoggle and a waste of money. To the Eastern Europeans: the idea that Russia would launch an ICBM at them is unbelievably preposterous. Do these people not have MAPS?</p>
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		<title>By: HemmD</title>
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		<dc:creator>HemmD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitler&#039;s motives, like his times, were different.  Putin wants power, not land or resources the way Hitler did.  Remember, Lebensraum was more than an excuse for war, it was the reason for it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Putin sits atop a huge portion of the world&#039;s resources, and where he may well lose his rational side from time to time, he can&#039;t push through to his old satellites while they form economic ties to the rest of the world.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Putin&#039;s goal is hard currency, not land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitler&#39;s motives, like his times, were different.  Putin wants power, not land or resources the way Hitler did.  Remember, Lebensraum was more than an excuse for war, it was the reason for it.  </p>
<p>Putin sits atop a huge portion of the world&#39;s resources, and where he may well lose his rational side from time to time, he can&#39;t push through to his old satellites while they form economic ties to the rest of the world.  </p>
<p>Putin&#39;s goal is hard currency, not land.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48013/obama-rebuilds-the-iron-curtain-romania-liberia-romania/comment-page-1/#comment-218872</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The China situation is different. I believe that Putin wants to completely reconstruct the old Soviet Union. Those who crave power are not always motivated by pure logic. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As an example, relating to this post, and not trying to invoke Godwin, Hitler said just prior to invading Poland, &quot;Now Poland is in the position I wanted. [...] I am only afraid that some bastard will present me with a mediation plan at the last moment&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The China situation is different. I believe that Putin wants to completely reconstruct the old Soviet Union. Those who crave power are not always motivated by pure logic. </p>
<p>As an example, relating to this post, and not trying to invoke Godwin, Hitler said just prior to invading Poland, &#8220;Now Poland is in the position I wanted. [...] I am only afraid that some bastard will present me with a mediation plan at the last moment&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HemmD</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48013/obama-rebuilds-the-iron-curtain-romania-liberia-romania/comment-page-1/#comment-218865</link>
		<dc:creator>HemmD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR&lt;br&gt;Those are fightin&#039; words....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Err, no they&#039;re not. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; If you can master an  adversary by economic means, you have no need for war.  If a war in Europe should erupt, it will be the West who is the aggressor.  What does Russia want with old eastern bloc countries teetering financially?  Just collect the rubles for the gas and occasionally let your renters know you can turn off the spigot anytime you want, and it&#039;s &quot;legal&quot; too.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s like China&#039;s chronic purchase of US bonds, you really think they collect our debt just to make money?  Now who&#039;s whistling in the dark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR<br />Those are fightin&#39; words&#8230;.</p>
<p>Err, no they&#39;re not. </p>
<p> If you can master an  adversary by economic means, you have no need for war.  If a war in Europe should erupt, it will be the West who is the aggressor.  What does Russia want with old eastern bloc countries teetering financially?  Just collect the rubles for the gas and occasionally let your renters know you can turn off the spigot anytime you want, and it&#39;s &#8220;legal&#8221; too.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s like China&#39;s chronic purchase of US bonds, you really think they collect our debt just to make money?  Now who&#39;s whistling in the dark?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA! Nice try Davebo, but I did not edit my post you replied to. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It says, and always said, &#039;the West&#039;, never &#039;we&#039;. Your own cut and paste proves that!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! Nice try Davebo, but I did not edit my post you replied to. </p>
<p>It says, and always said, &#39;the West&#39;, never &#39;we&#39;. Your own cut and paste proves that!</p>
<p> <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize, when you said &quot;we&quot; I assumed you meant the United States, not the &quot;west&quot; in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize, when you said &#8220;we&#8221; I assumed you meant the United States, not the &#8220;west&#8221; in general.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48013/obama-rebuilds-the-iron-curtain-romania-liberia-romania/comment-page-1/#comment-218858</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of times throughout history that the claim has been made that warfare was a thing of the past is only exceeded by the gullibility of those who believe that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of times throughout history that the claim has been made that warfare was a thing of the past is only exceeded by the gullibility of those who believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: HemmD</title>
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		<dc:creator>HemmD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why would Putin send in tanks to a country when he can just collect tribute through oil and gas?  I think the old style cold war is over, it&#039;s the economic power struggle that matters to Putin now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only real cold war that will take place is when Russia shuts down its pipeline to the rest of Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR</p>
<p>Why would Putin send in tanks to a country when he can just collect tribute through oil and gas?  I think the old style cold war is over, it&#39;s the economic power struggle that matters to Putin now.</p>
<p>The only real cold war that will take place is when Russia shuts down its pipeline to the rest of Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve written before, the lessons were not only taught (in addition to Russia) to the Poles and the Czechs, but also to the Georgians and the Ukrainians, first and foremost.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And how much nicer is even a right-shifted Germany going to be toward Bruno when winter comes and Europe needs that gaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzz?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#39;ve written before, the lessons were not only taught (in addition to Russia) to the Poles and the Czechs, but also to the Georgians and the Ukrainians, first and foremost.</p>
<p>And how much nicer is even a right-shifted Germany going to be toward Bruno when winter comes and Europe needs that gaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzz?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All true, but it still provides no defense against a tank. Which is my point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The pen is mightier than the sword, except of course in a sword fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All true, but it still provides no defense against a tank. Which is my point.</p>
<p>The pen is mightier than the sword, except of course in a sword fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internet does pose a threat to soviet expansion.  Informed people&#039;s thresholds for mistreatment become very low the more information about their varied world you introduce.  The mind is a powerful thing and can motivate the body{s} to wonderous acts of rebellion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet does pose a threat to soviet expansion.  Informed people&#39;s thresholds for mistreatment become very low the more information about their varied world you introduce.  The mind is a powerful thing and can motivate the body{s} to wonderous acts of rebellion.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/48013/obama-rebuilds-the-iron-curtain-romania-liberia-romania/comment-page-1/#comment-218794</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Treaty of Versailles, British-Polish Common Defense Pact, The Franco-Polish Military Alliance, the Anglo-Polish Military Alliance, to name a few.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You also had the Munich Agreement where we sold Czechoslovakia down the river to the Germans, and of course the Yalta Agreement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More recently, of course, was the West&#039;s inaction during both the Hungarian  revolution and the Soviet&#039;s invasion of Czechoslovakia to stop the Prague Spring.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All-in-all, they have no reason to trust the West, except their greater fear of Russia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is a good overview from Wikipedia: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Western Betrayal&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Treaty of Versailles, British-Polish Common Defense Pact, The Franco-Polish Military Alliance, the Anglo-Polish Military Alliance, to name a few.</p>
<p>You also had the Munich Agreement where we sold Czechoslovakia down the river to the Germans, and of course the Yalta Agreement.</p>
<p>More recently, of course, was the West&#39;s inaction during both the Hungarian  revolution and the Soviet&#39;s invasion of Czechoslovakia to stop the Prague Spring.</p>
<p>All-in-all, they have no reason to trust the West, except their greater fear of Russia.</p>
<p>Here is a good overview from Wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal" rel="nofollow">Western Betrayal</a></p>
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		<title>By: ???????.Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Russia as of 30/09/2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>???????.Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Russia as of 30/09/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about Russia as of 30/09/2009    Obama Rebuilds the Iron Curtain: Romania Liberia, Romania - themoderatevoice.com 09/30/2009 As this article from the Romanian newspaper Romania Liberia shows [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about Russia as of 30/09/2009    Obama Rebuilds the Iron Curtain: Romania Liberia, Romania &#8211; themoderatevoice.com 09/30/2009 As this article from the Romanian newspaper Romania Liberia shows [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it is not like the Caucasus and all Baltic states don&#039;t have a historical reason to believe the West will not come to their aid. Because prior to WW II, the West certainly ignored our treaty obligations to them when it counted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What treaty obligations are your referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it is not like the Caucasus and all Baltic states don&#39;t have a historical reason to believe the West will not come to their aid. Because prior to WW II, the West certainly ignored our treaty obligations to them when it counted.</p></blockquote>
<p>What treaty obligations are your referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Internet is a horrible weapon of choice against tanks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And it is not like the Caucasus and all Baltic states don&#039;t have a historical reason to believe the West will not come to their aid. Because prior to WW II, the West certainly ignored our treaty obligations to them when it counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet is a horrible weapon of choice against tanks.</p>
<p>And it is not like the Caucasus and all Baltic states don&#39;t have a historical reason to believe the West will not come to their aid. Because prior to WW II, the West certainly ignored our treaty obligations to them when it counted.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cold War Russia&#039;s greatest foe was and still is the free-flow of information among its citizens.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then came the internet.  This is a missile shield far more potent than any nuts and bolts could offer.  In order to be great and terrible, a leadership needs vast numbers of mind-numbed and brainwashed men to enact their agendas without question.  Those days are over...  When The Bear starts cracking down on people with PCs, then begin to worry..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cold War Russia&#39;s greatest foe was and still is the free-flow of information among its citizens.</p>
<p>Then came the internet.  This is a missile shield far more potent than any nuts and bolts could offer.  In order to be great and terrible, a leadership needs vast numbers of mind-numbed and brainwashed men to enact their agendas without question.  Those days are over&#8230;  When The Bear starts cracking down on people with PCs, then begin to worry..</p>
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		<title>By: Posts about Barack Obama as of September 30, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Barack Obama as of September 30, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in government grant money to help pay for research into cures for cancer and other diseases. More   Obama Rebuilds the Iron Curtain: Romania Liberia, Romania &#8211; themoderatevoice.com 09/30/2009 As this article from the Romanian newspaper Romania Liberia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in government grant money to help pay for research into cures for cancer and other diseases. More   Obama Rebuilds the Iron Curtain: Romania Liberia, Romania &#8211; themoderatevoice.com 09/30/2009 As this article from the Romanian newspaper Romania Liberia [...]</p>
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