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		<title>By: NYT: Is Iran Designing Warheads? &#8211; Uniqs.info &#124; Headline News</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-steel, I agree with you and hope someday the whole world abandons nuclear weapons, (as well as nuclear energy, but that&#039;s just me and not on topic on this post). However, to your point about US leadership not being &quot;openly belligerent&quot; with &quot;genocidal rhetoric&quot;, sadly this is not completely accurate. Remember, the leader of the world&#039;s greatest and only military superpower called Iran a part of &quot;the axis of evil&quot; and certainly kept fanning rhetorical flames about Iran, and speculation about a pre-emptive attack on that nation. WE became an existential threat to Iran, by our own choice. Meanwhile, N. Korea, another &quot;axis of evil&quot; country got the bomb and there was NO talk of pre-emptive strikes. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SO, &quot;axis of evil&quot; and nukes, no existential threat.&lt;br&gt;&quot;axis of evil&quot; and no nukes, flaming saber rattling rhetoric about the &quot;need&quot; for pre-emptive strikes. This rhetoric continues to this day, including right here in a Google-searchable article from a &quot;moderate&quot; site. I&#039;m certainly not arguing for any change in the news covered here, or anywhere. But think about how this sounds to Iran.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TS, if I were the leader of Iran, I&#039;d be on a Mahattan Project emergency program to get the bomb just as soon as humanly possible. The Bush regime made it very clear that the only way to avoid talk or planning of pre-emptive strikes is to have your own nukes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, has anyone offered a &quot;no first strike&quot; agreement to Iran in exchange for concessions from them? As far as I know, the US has steadfastly refused to enter into ANY &quot;no first strike&quot; treaties. Yet that is one way to reduce the existential threat. Of course if they offered Israel one, no one would believe it, so what&#039;s the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-steel, I agree with you and hope someday the whole world abandons nuclear weapons, (as well as nuclear energy, but that&#39;s just me and not on topic on this post). However, to your point about US leadership not being &#8220;openly belligerent&#8221; with &#8220;genocidal rhetoric&#8221;, sadly this is not completely accurate. Remember, the leader of the world&#39;s greatest and only military superpower called Iran a part of &#8220;the axis of evil&#8221; and certainly kept fanning rhetorical flames about Iran, and speculation about a pre-emptive attack on that nation. WE became an existential threat to Iran, by our own choice. Meanwhile, N. Korea, another &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; country got the bomb and there was NO talk of pre-emptive strikes. </p>
<p>SO, &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; and nukes, no existential threat.<br />&#8220;axis of evil&#8221; and no nukes, flaming saber rattling rhetoric about the &#8220;need&#8221; for pre-emptive strikes. This rhetoric continues to this day, including right here in a Google-searchable article from a &#8220;moderate&#8221; site. I&#39;m certainly not arguing for any change in the news covered here, or anywhere. But think about how this sounds to Iran.</p>
<p>TS, if I were the leader of Iran, I&#39;d be on a Mahattan Project emergency program to get the bomb just as soon as humanly possible. The Bush regime made it very clear that the only way to avoid talk or planning of pre-emptive strikes is to have your own nukes.</p>
<p>BTW, has anyone offered a &#8220;no first strike&#8221; agreement to Iran in exchange for concessions from them? As far as I know, the US has steadfastly refused to enter into ANY &#8220;no first strike&#8221; treaties. Yet that is one way to reduce the existential threat. Of course if they offered Israel one, no one would believe it, so what&#39;s the point?</p>
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		<title>By: T-Steel</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The overriding fact is that nuclear weapons are devastating weapons of mass destruction.  Leaders of every ilk realize the utter devastation and finality of a nuclear weapon.  It is EXTREMELY enticing to get one or more.  In the Iranian leadership&#039;s case, their rhetoric towards Israel along with funding of terrorism basically says they would use them against Israel if they have one or more.  Since worldwide dismantling of the world&#039;s nuclear arsenal isn&#039;t happening anytime soon, when a country is openly belligerent towards another company with threats of genocide, you have to crack down hard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I would like our nuclear arsenal gone.  And having so many doesn&#039;t really make other countries NOT want to have them.  But the American leadership is not openly belligerent towards another country with genocidal rhetoric.  And our country is much more stable than Iran.  So I sleep better with us owning nukes than Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overriding fact is that nuclear weapons are devastating weapons of mass destruction.  Leaders of every ilk realize the utter devastation and finality of a nuclear weapon.  It is EXTREMELY enticing to get one or more.  In the Iranian leadership&#39;s case, their rhetoric towards Israel along with funding of terrorism basically says they would use them against Israel if they have one or more.  Since worldwide dismantling of the world&#39;s nuclear arsenal isn&#39;t happening anytime soon, when a country is openly belligerent towards another company with threats of genocide, you have to crack down hard.</p>
<p>Yes, I would like our nuclear arsenal gone.  And having so many doesn&#39;t really make other countries NOT want to have them.  But the American leadership is not openly belligerent towards another country with genocidal rhetoric.  And our country is much more stable than Iran.  So I sleep better with us owning nukes than Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to defend Iran, but how may wars has Iran initiated. The Pakistan/India situation is a bigger tinderbox, and both have nukes with missiles to deliver the miniaturized nukes and fought a coup[le of wars. Iran doesn&#039;t have nukes or a delivery system at THIS TIME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to defend Iran, but how may wars has Iran initiated. The Pakistan/India situation is a bigger tinderbox, and both have nukes with missiles to deliver the miniaturized nukes and fought a coup[le of wars. Iran doesn&#39;t have nukes or a delivery system at THIS TIME.</p>
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		<title>By: LionAslan</title>
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		<dc:creator>LionAslan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no Leon, not your &quot;opinion&quot; of history, real history as in 1800s and 1900s early and mid. Your sense of history is off by about 180 years, but that&#039;s par for people who dont study history and get all their info from wikipedia and the internet.  Have your read the Shamdasania papers? No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no Leon, not your &#8220;opinion&#8221; of history, real history as in 1800s and 1900s early and mid. Your sense of history is off by about 180 years, but that&#39;s par for people who dont study history and get all their info from wikipedia and the internet.  Have your read the Shamdasania papers? No?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing about history. The history of science and technological has been so rapid and accelerating, that it is simply foolish to think nuclear or other dangerous technologies can be kept out of the hands of anybody. And as the post notes, the outcome of taking &quot;pre-emptive&quot; military action has consequences for us that could be worse than another MAD (mutual assured distruction) standoff. Think about this. If the US or Israel bombs a nuclear facility, releasing radiation, we will be responsible for the same nuclear terrorism we are trying to prevent. The backlash is very likely to bring about our worst terrorist nightmares.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Extending your paranoia to Venezuela is a bit over the top. If Venezuela has significant uranium, OF COURSE they will develop it. They can become a very wealthy nation with their resource base. Will they develop nuclear technology too? Probably. We can&#039;t simultaneously promote civilian nuclear activities and repress any country that develops their own technology.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Truth is, we HAVE to come up with a better plan than to bomb countries into submission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing about history. The history of science and technological has been so rapid and accelerating, that it is simply foolish to think nuclear or other dangerous technologies can be kept out of the hands of anybody. And as the post notes, the outcome of taking &#8220;pre-emptive&#8221; military action has consequences for us that could be worse than another MAD (mutual assured distruction) standoff. Think about this. If the US or Israel bombs a nuclear facility, releasing radiation, we will be responsible for the same nuclear terrorism we are trying to prevent. The backlash is very likely to bring about our worst terrorist nightmares.</p>
<p>Extending your paranoia to Venezuela is a bit over the top. If Venezuela has significant uranium, OF COURSE they will develop it. They can become a very wealthy nation with their resource base. Will they develop nuclear technology too? Probably. We can&#39;t simultaneously promote civilian nuclear activities and repress any country that develops their own technology.</p>
<p>Truth is, we HAVE to come up with a better plan than to bomb countries into submission.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; L: If you&#039;re a student of history, you&#039;ll find that various presidents thought Iran was talkable just fine. And did have good relations with Iran. To say otherwise is to not know history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like Jimmy Carter?  Yeah that worked out real well....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like Ronald Reagan?  Yeah Iran Contra was a major success....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And of those who thought talking to Iran was just fine how many of them did with a significant positive result?  Zero&lt;br&gt;The closest we got is when  Khatami was in power and nothing really came of that other than sending a US wrestling team to Iran and importing  pistachios.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;anyhow in other related news:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Venezuela seeking uranium with Iran&#039;s help&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_iran&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_la...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;PORLAMAR, Venezuela – Iran is helping to detect uranium deposits in Venezuela and initial evaluations suggest reserves are significant, President Hugo Chavez&#039;s government said Friday.&lt;br&gt;Mining Minister Rodolfo Sanz said Iran has been assisting Venezuela with geophysical survey flights and geochemical analysis of the deposits, and that evaluations &quot;indicate the existence of uranium in western parts of the country and in Santa Elena de Uairen,&quot; in southeastern Bolivar state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Iran is helping Venezuela find uranium, you gotta thing they might not be adverse to providing assistance to Hugo Chavez if he wants to build his own nuclear program.  The prospsects for nuclear non-proliferation will likely go down the tube if Iran can make a bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> L: If you&#39;re a student of history, you&#39;ll find that various presidents thought Iran was talkable just fine. And did have good relations with Iran. To say otherwise is to not know history.</p></blockquote>
<p>Like Jimmy Carter?  Yeah that worked out real well&#8230;.</p>
<p>Like Ronald Reagan?  Yeah Iran Contra was a major success&#8230;.</p>
<p>And of those who thought talking to Iran was just fine how many of them did with a significant positive result?  Zero<br />The closest we got is when  Khatami was in power and nothing really came of that other than sending a US wrestling team to Iran and importing  pistachios.</p>
<p>anyhow in other related news:</p>
<p>Venezuela seeking uranium with Iran&#39;s help<br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_iran" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_la&#8230;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>PORLAMAR, Venezuela – Iran is helping to detect uranium deposits in Venezuela and initial evaluations suggest reserves are significant, President Hugo Chavez&#39;s government said Friday.<br />Mining Minister Rodolfo Sanz said Iran has been assisting Venezuela with geophysical survey flights and geochemical analysis of the deposits, and that evaluations &#8220;indicate the existence of uranium in western parts of the country and in Santa Elena de Uairen,&#8221; in southeastern Bolivar state.</p></blockquote>
<p>If Iran is helping Venezuela find uranium, you gotta thing they might not be adverse to providing assistance to Hugo Chavez if he wants to build his own nuclear program.  The prospsects for nuclear non-proliferation will likely go down the tube if Iran can make a bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: LionAslan</title>
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		<dc:creator>LionAslan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L: If you&#039;re a student of history, you&#039;ll find that various presidents thought Iran was talkable just fine. And did have good relations with Iran. To say otherwise is to not know history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L: If you&#39;re a student of history, you&#39;ll find that various presidents thought Iran was talkable just fine. And did have good relations with Iran. To say otherwise is to not know history.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no &quot;crisis&quot; [sic], once again.  Control, libs, control.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama is handling things fine so far -- and addressing this in a grown-up, not a &quot;nuclear-free&quot; silly, way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &#8220;crisis&#8221; [sic], once again.  Control, libs, control.</p>
<p>Obama is handling things fine so far &#8212; and addressing this in a grown-up, not a &#8220;nuclear-free&#8221; silly, way.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is always willing to take off more than rhetorical and diplomatic gloves.  Thats pretty much a given.  The question is how much they will tolerate before doing more.  I doubt its very much more unless it sees some substantial results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is always willing to take off more than rhetorical and diplomatic gloves.  Thats pretty much a given.  The question is how much they will tolerate before doing more.  I doubt its very much more unless it sees some substantial results.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Iranian Crisis: “Cuban Missile Crisis In Slow Motion”? &#124; The Moderate Voice -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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